Oh feck off.
Labour MP Jo Cox shot | RIP Jo Cox
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Fair enough. It's a democracy.
Not much you can do about that. Just hope the voters of Batley and Spen tell the cnut to feck off.
Good luck to the cretin, he won't get anywhere near it in terms of votes.
What's the point in defending the democratic rights of parties like Busby's when, as history has shown time and again, they'd deny the democratic rights of others once empowered?
His party on facebook (probably best not to read the comments): https://www.facebook.com/LibertyGBP...0.1466340769./982313208552458/?type=3&theater
If he had a brain he'd be dangerous.
He has his beliefs, I have mine, you have yours. We'd all hold on to those beliefs and never change if we didn't exchange views. The alternative to democracy would be to drive people like him under cover - and, in so doing, make them more dangerous. By encouraging them to air their views so they can see how others view them, they might (just might) change. It's what democracy stands for.
The comment thankfully seemed to be from people who are opposed to their ideology.
Newsflash - this is an internet forum. I don't expect to be taken seriously. Anyone who does probably has self-importance issues.
Ok, I'll do that
Where you didn't answer the question?
You might wanna avoid the CE forum then.
Talking of facts....why do you think Mair was taken down to Westminster magistrates court? As you seem to know feck all about facts I'll tell you....all extradition and terrorism-related cases pass through it.
That statement is from start to finish exactly the sort of rhetoric that lead to Cox being targeted. Britain under attack, Labour the traitors.
This Jack Buckby fella sounds like an utter twat. The kind of knob who has strong opinions and that alone inspires the cretins around him, who mistake his loud mouth for leadership qualities.
Probably the worst post in this thread. Your either a wum or someone who expects people emotions and reactions to grief to
be like something from a bad soap.
Buckby has said he doesn't think Jo Cox should have been killed & did not wish for it to happen (I didn't read it super-closely) which I suppose is handy for when he goes up to the Constituency for a bit of campaigning.
All this is like a very bad dream.
I am reading this terrorist vs. unwell-psychotic argument with interest (it catches my attention) & would have to confess that I can feel myself wanting Mair 'just' to be unwell. I don't really want to think about it as an (abjectly) justified assassination. Let alone if he's been put up to it or has 'conspired' (lets say had conversations) with like-minded souls. I wasn't totally & utterly surprised it happened somehow.
It's not a competition obvs, but I find killing (also insane in my little world) by people who think they are Muslim a lot easier to come to terms with. I kind of understand that. I can feel that I WANT to understand Mair as being a very troubled disenfranchised berk who was tipped over the edge. Maybe I'm being rather naive, innit?
I'm not wanting to piss anybody off by saying any of this.
edit - definitely seems to be different perspectives for media reporting around the perpetrators of these things though, that's for sure
All this is like a very bad dream.
I am reading this terrorist vs. unwell-psychotic argument with interest (it catches my attention) & would have to confess that I can feel myself wanting Mair 'just' to be unwell. I don't really want to think about it as an (abjectly) justified assassination. Let alone if he's been put up to it or has 'conspired' (lets say had conversations) with like-minded souls. I wasn't totally & utterly surprised it happened somehow.
It's not a competition obvs, but I find killing (also insane in my little world) by people who think they are Muslim a lot easier to come to terms with. I kind of understand that. I can feel that I WANT to understand Mair as being a very troubled disenfranchised berk who was tipped over the edge. Maybe I'm being rather naive, innit?
I'm not wanting to piss anybody off by saying any of this.
edit - definitely seems to be different perspectives for media reporting around the perpetrators of these things though, that's for sure
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I found it a difficult watch. The sister does brilliantly, but is clearly holding back so much emotion.
Bloody awful typo from the subtitle folk with the 'identify my sister's bottom' bit.
With regards to the funeral, it's despicable to try and judge people's demeanour. I was like a robot at my father's funeral, even annoyed at times about the shit the vicar was spouting, until his coffin went behind the curtain. The finality of that hit like a sledgehammer.
Yeah because you have spent every moment with them since the murder occurred. You have right? Because if not then as is usual with your type there has been a huge lack of thinking on your part. You have no real idea how they have or have not been grieving and you should have enough sense to realize it.
As an outsider looking in, it reminded me of the "stiff upper lip" shown to the public that is commonly associated with the British. I have no doubt that they are in great pain, shock, and grief, but I give them credit for showing their resolve as a family to the world in the face of such a tragic event.
Been to many funerals and the ways people grieve are as varied as the people. I've seen those who are in a constant state of tears. I've seen the waiters. I've known people who saved their sorrow for behind closed doors, while putting in the brave face for all to see. There are those who truly want to celebrate the life of their lost loved one not mourn the death. I've seen people who could barely give their eulogy speech and others who never shed a tear while giving one. I've seen my own father reduced to tears and barely able to stand at the lose of one brother, then seem to not cry at all when the brother he was closest to passed away.
So who was grieving correctly and who was not?
Not sure how you can not see the emotion there?
I had to speak at my fathers funeral recently. I practised the speech continuously so that i could get through it without breaking down. When I first started practising I couldnt get through it all. However after many many run throughs i was able to get through it clearly without losing my emotions.
The sister is reading her speech which quite probably she has practised reading multiple times to help her get through it. However even with her maintaining her control there is very clearly emotion in her and the familys faces, voice and body movements.
Its a mistake to judge people based upon what you expect them to do in a given situation.
Exactly. I hate myself for it but I opened the video to see how emotionless they were. Her grief was so obvious.
Nice tributes in the Commons today from all sides.
And the memorial fund is now approaching £1m - https://www.gofundme.com/jocox
And the memorial fund is now approaching £1m - https://www.gofundme.com/jocox
Very moving. Kinnock was very close to her and spoke well....
"Jo understood that rhetoric has consequences. When insecurity, fear and anger are used to light a fuse then an explosion is inevitable. It is the politics of division and fear, the harking back to incendiary slogans and the rhetoric of Britain First that twists patriotism, and changes love of country to loathing of others."
http://goo.gl/byc3ZP
"Jo understood that rhetoric has consequences. When insecurity, fear and anger are used to light a fuse then an explosion is inevitable. It is the politics of division and fear, the harking back to incendiary slogans and the rhetoric of Britain First that twists patriotism, and changes love of country to loathing of others."
http://goo.gl/byc3ZP
Are you in Leeds, these days, Marching?
Was just wondering if you had any insight in to how people are feeling there at the moment.
Still got one or two friends in Batley and they say it has understandably rocked the town. Jo Cox does appear to have made a positive impact on the area and won easily but there is a strong Ukip vote and some racial tensions....although not as many as when I lived there in the 70's/80's.
He is being as respectful as I expected
That's just fecked up
Tory suspended for sick comments about Jo's memorial fund. He said he'd donated "the steam off his piss." What a twat.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-conservative-piss-post-deleted-a7093441.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-conservative-piss-post-deleted-a7093441.html
What exactly are "terrorism related protocols"?
When it's classed as terrorism aren't there normally also other terrorism-specific charges, such as "preparing for an act of terrorism"?
Goes to court quicker
Enhanced security
Not sure but possibly some sections of the trial under media blackout / behind closed doors (eg if security services have informer or undercover embedded in Britain first so not to expose them)
Probably some other stuff as well
Cheers. If they're treating it as terrorism I'd have thought they'd actually want longer to investigate links to organisations/other like minded individuals, his previous history etc. To me it looks more like they simply want it over and done with quickly and this was the best way of achieving that.