Chelsea under Conte | Let's sign the next Hazard, literally.

Gol123 said:
How about the year they got 102 points? Or when they went 42 games unbeaten in all competitions? His work there was ridiculous.

Also a reminder that Ferguson struggled with Europe to begin with at United.
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Fergie struggled due to the non EU bollocks. Plus English clubs had not played in Europe for years due to the ban.

Juventus hardly had poor players. You can't deny that Allegri has improved them and they should have beaten Bayern this year.

Beating a Spain team who were poor for three games this tournament is not really a great thing considering how poor they been in the last two years. Germany will be the challenge.

I know Chelsea fans are excited. But saying his best season in Italy was better than Mourinhos is ridiculous. I rather win a treble than go unbeaten. When Mourinho was there, Milan were actually decent also.
 
Some are acting as if Italy was highly rated going into this tournament. Their players are actually pretty terrible.
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Edit: not sure how to post a picture, here is the link to it. http://m.imgur.com/gallery/dfaQILO

The image shows Italy had less odds of winning the Euro than Ukraine, Russia, Austria, Poland, Croatia, and 12 times less than Spain.
 
Bojan11 said:
Fergie struggled due to the non EU bollocks. Plus English clubs had not played in Europe for years due to the ban.

Juventus hardly had poor players. You can't deny that Allegri has improved them and they should have beaten Bayern this year.

Beating a Spain team who were poor for three games this tournament is not really a great thing considering how poor they been in the last two years. Germany will be the challenge.

I know Chelsea fans are excited. But saying his best season in Italy was better than Mourinhos is ridiculous. I rather win a treble than go unbeaten. When Mourinho was there, Milan were actually decent also.
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Domestically, he did do better then Mourinho. Considering we aren't even in Europe I only give a shit about his domestic record.
 
Conte is a great coach IMO and I think he will do well at Chelsea but dominating Serie A isn't all that impressive considering how lopsided Juve is to the rest of the opposition. Allegri did better than he did in Europe with almost the same team.
 
Fenomeno9 said:
Conte is a great coach IMO and I think he will do well at Chelsea but dominating Serie A isn't all that impressive considering how lopsided Juve is to the rest of the opposition. Allegri did better than he did in Europe with almost the same team.
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They finished 7th the season before Conte took charge. He is why they are dominant.
 
Fenomeno9 said:
Conte is a great coach IMO and I think he will do well at Chelsea but dominating Serie A isn't all that impressive considering how lopsided Juve is to the rest of the opposition.
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When Conte took over, we came back from back to back finishes in 7th place. He is one of the reasons why we are so dominant now.

Allegri did better than he did in Europe with almost the same team.
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True. But Europe is all about small margins. The result of one season is hardly a benchmark to judge managers. Under Conte we went out in the group stages in Istanbul under ridiculous conditions. Under Allegri we were one goal away from going out in the group stages but then reached the final. It's very small margins.
 
Doing a number on Spain at a major tournament then turning up in the PL does not necessarily mean success there.
 
Has Cuadrado returned from loan, or did Juventus buy him? Could do a job for Chelsea under Conte I think.
 
Great tactician, but don't underestimate the partnership of Buffon-Bonucci-Barzagli-Chiellini. Any team ahead of those four will look good...
 
AshfordLad said:
You are comparing Conte and Van Gaal though and Conte has far more going for him than LvG.

Having a better record than Mourinho is no joke. Even SAF does not have that.
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Yes, it was more of a joke.
 
AshfordLad said:
You are comparing Conte and Van Gaal though and Conte has far more going for him than LvG.

Having a better record than Mourinho is no joke. Even SAF does not have that.



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Sorry, my bad. I thought you were being sarcastic as I mentioned it earlier in the thread.

I guess this place makes you a bit paranoid.



Also, Van Gaal seemed to be in retirement mode at United.
 
AshfordLad said:
You are comparing Conte and Van Gaal though and Conte has far more going for him than LvG.

Having a better record than Mourinho is no joke. Even SAF does not have that.



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Didn't Van Gaal almost win the treble with Bayern? How does that compare with winning Serie A...
 
Gol123 said:
Sorry, my bad. I thought you were being sarcastic as I mentioned it earlier in the thread.

I guess this place makes you a bit paranoid.
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No worries mate. A lot of of us brits are on the edge tbf.

Still cant believe that anyone can better Mourinho's record though.
 
Saf94 said:
Didn't Van Gaal almost win the treble with Bayern? How does that compare with winning Serie A...
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You mean doing the german double vs bettering Jose's serie A record over 2 season... easy choice.
 
AshfordLad said:
No worries mate. A lot of of us brits are on the edge tbf.

Still cant believe that anyone can better Mourinho's record though.
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His worst domestic season was as good as Mourinho's best domestic season. That is pretty incredible.

I can't get over 102 points in a season though.
 
Conte is very capable young manager. We also have him as one of the candidates after SAF at some point in the past?! He may find it hard if he insist on his preferred 5 at the back system though. Not talking about whether he can make it work, but recruiting issue and his personnel in hands like Hazard, doesn't suit playing narrow.

:drool: Can't wait for the new season to start.
 
podurban2 said:
Great tactician, but don't underestimate the partnership of Buffon-Bonucci-Barzagli-Chiellini. Any team ahead of those four will look good...
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They have a great defense. They were also hungrier than Spain. They won most of the 50/50 balls and Spain's work ethic off the ball was very poor by their standards.
 
Shady said:
Has Cuadrado returned from loan, or did Juventus buy him? Could do a job for Chelsea under Conte I think.
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Think he is going back to Chelsea. Been reading some Juve forums recently and although they loved him it seems that Conte really has a soft spot for him and would give him a starting role.
 
Dave_MUFC said:
Think he is going back to Chelsea. Been reading some Juve forums recently and although they loved him it seems that Conte really has a soft spot for him and would give him a starting role.
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Aw dang. So they do have a wing back after all. First piece in Conte's back 5 formation.
 
ti vu said:
Aw dang. So they do have a wing back after all. First piece in Conte's back 5 formation.
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We have 2. Baba is essentially a wing back too.

Courtois
Cahill---Terry---CB
Fabregas
Cuadrado---Willian---CM---Baba
Costa---Hazard

Defence will need a couple of players but Christensen and Zouma means we don't need wholesale changes there. CM needs at least one defensive box to box player. Maybe two if Willian can't play there. Baba isn't great but maybe a more attacking role and Conte'so influence can improve him. Hazard is a good second striker and plays his best football centrally.

However, we may go a different route if Conte doesn't see the personnel working for this formation.
 
Conte is a fantastic manager, Top 5 in the world, but what is this talk of him surpassing Jose's achievements in Italy? The only Italian club to win a treble is still Inter :)
 
MounchesterUtd said:
Conte is a fantastic manager, Top 5 in the world, but what is this talk of him surpassing Jose's achievements in Italy? The only Italian club to win a treble is still Inter :)
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There is no talk of that. You just aren't reading properly.
 
I wouldn't assume that Conte will play the 3-5-2 at Chelsea. It's not his preferred formation. At Juve, it was more dictated by the payers he had available. And at Italy, he tried to find other formations, but in the end went back to what worked, because he could rely on the basic structure and Juventus players that were familiar with it.
 
littlepeasoup said:
He'll really have to hit the ground running once he gets to London, because a huge chunk of pre-season planning will be lost.
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Yup. Plus a bunch of his players won't be available for a bit due to tourney fatigue/rest, so he won't have the normal time to instill his philosophy/tactics. Figure some will only have had 2 weeks of training with him when the season starts. Similar to LVG's first summer, so I guess we'll see a bunch of formation tinkering. Gotta figure Conte will want defensive solidity first, so some rather tumescent games at first.

This season is gonna be a fun one to watch. A lot of contenders in flux, a lot of new money in play, plus an all-star list of coaches.
 
Gol123 said:
There is no talk of that. You just aren't reading properly.
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They decimated the league in a way even Mourinho at Inter with more resources couldn't do.

His worst domestic season was as good as Mourinho's best domestic season.

LMFAO ok :lol: you're right, it's just me :lol::lol:
 
MounchesterUtd said:
They decimated the league in a way even Mourinho at Inter with more resources couldn't do.

His worst domestic season was as good as Mourinho's best domestic season.

LMFAO ok :lol: you're right, it's just me :lol::lol:
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Nothing about that is wrong. They're talking domestically.
 
MounchesterUtd said:
They decimated the league in a way even Mourinho at Inter with more resources couldn't do.

His worst domestic season was as good as Mourinho's best domestic season.

LMFAO ok :lol: you're right, it's just me :lol::lol:
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Too many smileys.
 
MounchesterUtd said:
They decimated the league in a way even Mourinho at Inter with more resources couldn't do.

His worst domestic season was as good as Mourinho's best domestic season.

LMFAO ok :lol: you're right, it's just me :lol::lol:
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They did. He won the league with 84, 87 and 102 points respectively. Mourinho's best season was 84 points in the league. In terms of the league, Conte outperformed him (Which is what I was referring to there). Not my fault you misread what I wrote.
 
Even Allegri's worst season with Juventus is better than Jose's best season with Inter. Mancini 2/3 seasons with Inter are better than Jose's both seasons at Inter.

Not sure what's that supposed to prove but I'm just adding here.
 
Conte: Games 151, Wins 102, Draws 34, Losses 15
Mourinho: Games 108, Wins 67, Draws 26, Losses 15

Ok Mourinho did btter in CL but he did inherit a team that was Champions 3 seasons in a row. Conte picked up a team that was 7th two seasons in a row and had them performing better than Mourinho's Inter team.
 
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