Because we wanted to keep him at the time. IT's easy to say with hindsight that we could have moved him on to Chelsea, or this and that, but the we hadn't noticed or expected the sharp decline to his game at the time. Whether or not he was worth that much at the time is subjective, but my point is that new signings cant just look at Rooney and demand equal pay, he's a special case, he's our captain and the face of the club since Ronnie left. Back on topic though, i do think Pogba is worth that money, he is going to shatter the world record and become the first 100m man, of course we wont be skimping out on the wages.
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Precisely, so why would Koke, then instantly be worth 100m? Your argument collaborate with other player values in comparison. As for 60m,70m, its probably due to the fact Pogba should not be a player to break the transfer record. In regards you dont care how much he is, tell that to Leeds fans. And something like that wont not happen to United, but silly spending adds up
You think Verratti would cost half.
He'd probably cost double.
Verratti, is probably a poor example for who he plays for, but hes simply not a player to command 100m and wont be if he played for a non-oil tycoon club
City and Chelsea would both definitely take Pogba at £50-60m. Easily.
And besides, we are not just competing with premier league clubs -- we're also competing with Madrid and Barca.
Except we are? As of 2 years ago we were 7th. Not as a club obviously but as a team we were left with over the hills and never be good enough's (Evra/Rio/Vida and Cleverley etc etc)
Fergie left us in the toilet, fact.
Personally I found little pride in watching us sign Obertan whilst rivals aimed for the likes of Augero.
Fergie did get titles with lower spending than others, but his desire for "value" cost us multiple good players over the last few years of his reign
We got him for £59m and sold him for £44m. If I am not mistaken, the loss was even higher due to the exchange rates.
Are you seriously comparing the team City had when Hughes and Mancini and what we have? They are two ends of the spectrum. This teams needed a great manager and they just got one. Players wise we dont have 5-6 "star" signings. Maybe 1. We would have been competitive last season if we had Mou. We had a good squad. Just the way they were set up to play was shit.
To sign those players you mention your talking about spending close to £200m for them. United supposedly bid £150m for Neymar last season, whether its believed or not is the thing. Same with PSG supposedly willing to pay Messi release clause of near £200m. Bale wouldn't be sold from Madrid for anything close to £100m either, Ronaldo would probably cost £100m but hes 31.
Pogba while not an elite player like some of the players you mentioned but his potential will only increase and as such any future fee we may command for him will also increase, if he so wishes to leave. I'm not the biggest fan of Pogba but Ive watched quite a few matches and highlight vids recently and its swaying my opinion. Is he really worth £100m? Nope, but no one really is. Is he worth it to United, you bet your ass he is. With all the sponsorship deals already in place with United, then Pogba can be the poster boy for those and having the Worlds most expensive player in our ranks is another marketing tool we can use to exploit more sponsorship deals. This will help repay the transfer fee and his wages.
Anyone think that using the money to buy 2 players to make the team better are crazy. No other players available would be as marketable as Pogba, they might make the team a better unit, providing they integrate into the team. But making too many changes over a summer to a team can be detrimental and as such 4 transfers could be the perfect amount for the team and cohesion.
The reason (at least part of it) we won those titles is we still had the record signing players in the team. Guys like Ferdinand and Rooney were at their peak to make up for the lesser quality players. When our record signings became too old or unfit, we started slipping. Think Fergie saw the writing on the wall and made Moyes the fall guy. LVG was designed to build the foundations again and Mourinho will be the beneficiary.
Yes, and those value signings has not helped us saving money overall beacuase instead we now have to pay extra money for players as we have no CL, clubs knows how desperate we have been the last three years and so on.
It was the impossible job to replace Fergie, but he could have left a easier squad for Moyes to manage that's for sure.
Yes, only a magician like Fergie could get away with such an approach. When mere 'mortals' are managers, United have to compete with other clubs in order to be competitive in football. At the end of the day, everybody would only remember the trophies won by clubs and not whether they paid under or above the fair value of players in the transfer windows.
Finally some sense on here. Perfectly mirrors my thoughts on a potential thread that never fully formed in my mind.
It's an odd phenomenon with posters saying de facto "Oh he's not worth more than £70m" based on... well nothing really.
Considering transfer fees have increased every season ever since the start of football, it's not a difficult concept to comprehend.
I have a theory that these people think everything is not worth it until long after its happened at which point it is then accepted (i.e. Rio at £30m). Also there may be a bit of playground style mocking by oppo fans because it's the only response that isn't "oh he's quite good isn't he".
As for Pogba, I really hope we sign him because he's simply just an excellent player and could help take us back towards the success we want for the club.
And Mkhitaryan from Dortmund too
That's a bit condescending for the great man. IMO Fergie believed that he could create a sustainable structure wherein United could consistently overachieve in comparison to their spending (and of course Glazers loved it!). But the recent years have only shown that no club is immune to the economics of football, not even United.
If the meeting is actually taking place today, expect Raiola to come up with some juicy (but cryptic) soundbites later, as he is not the one to keep his mouth shut.
I see the bid is finally prepared.
This will be wrapped up by page 478.
This will be wrapped up by page 478.
Signing Pogba for £100m will have less impact on the market than what the Chinese clubs have started doing this summer.
This one million percent. I can't help butwhen people say "Pogba is not worth Y." If we pay 2 pence for him then he's "worth" 2 pence, if we pay £200m then he's "worth" £200m.
A good thing this club isn't run by socialists!
That's so wrong, can't believe you really said that.
Let's say Messi is worth probably 500Mio to Barca, they simply won't sell him below.
So you think United should make a bid of 500M to buy Messi for maybe 3 more world class seasons?
Because that's actually how Barca rates him, but he's NOT WORTH it for other teams to purchase.
Heck, if a restaurant offers me a steak for 75£ it does only mean that they think this is a fair price. It doesn't mean that it's worth it.
Just because Juve won't sell below 150M doesn't actually mean that's a fair market price and every supporter should be happy if we matched that.
Why is it do hard to see that there are people thinking lower of Pogba than others?
Some think he'll be a top 3 Midfielder for many years to come->125M is a bargain
Some think he's barely a top 10 MF and won't lift the level of our play drastically->125M is too much.
Every player has a price tag that seem fair peoples own opinions.
I would be happy if we buy him for 100M, astounded if we buy him for 150M.
If we buy him for 150 though, it certainly means Mou values him that high which would make me kinda happy too.
Bang the muppet drums, lets play him in.
When they say preparing a bid does that mean they are warming up the trusty fax machine we used for the De Gea deal?
I hope they would have replaced that by now.
I hope they would have replaced that by now.
What time is this meeting happening lads?
Finally happy we are seeing some movement.
Finally happy we are seeing some movement.
Gotta ask, how do you know? You privy to Uniteds account details?Chances of lightning striking twice...
No, we won't be able to. We are putting a lot of eggs in the Pogba basket with the numbers (Fee and wages) being talked about. I can assure you that if this fails it'll be a pretty big setback to any future plans.
Usually, these kind of numbers are reserved for proven world class signings; almost sure things. We are paying a heavy premium here for a player who is far from world class. Also, a major portion of the fee is upfront with only 20% max as add-ons. I hope Jose and Woodward know what they are doing here.
That's what I can't grasp about the "too much money" argument. No one here knows anything really about our money situation or how much that £100m is going to be missed.
Most of all it baffles me that people seriously think that woody and Co haven't worked out if they can afford this or not. Next we'll all be down in London telling the bankers what to invest in.
I have my bottle of water based lubricant ready.
Seems like a simple deal to complete, then. Surely United aren't going to quibble over 10-20m euros. That's a Zaha fee away from signing Pogba.
Raiola just walked out the room with a chair round his neck
I am for anything that gives us a chance to get us back in with the football elite. Still scared this will blow up but I think Juve would be crazy to turn down the quoted #'s.
I can see Juve dragging this to the last day.
Sorry muppets.
Sorry muppets.
if the difference is between 20 mill in bonuses im extremely confident that this will happen. Pogba will be a Manchester United player
You pay more for young players with potential then already established ones. Especially those like Pogba as he is as close to a safe bet as anyone, as he's already a proven top player. He isn't just a "potential", though he isn't world class yet. The fees are insane regardless and a large part due to our previous situation with him, but I wouldn't worry about him not working out or not being able to recoup most of the fee from selling him on.
Latest reports from Italy suggest that United will pay £100m plus fund a boardroom renovation
WWF monday night RAW style.... jesus where is @Olly with dem Gifs
"Fair price"
Hilarious!Let's use your steak analogy. It's "worth" it to you if you pony up and pay the £75. What is a "fair price" anyways? How much overhead does this restaurant have, where did they get the steak from? How much went into presenting this steak to you? Trained chefs or no? Trained wait staff or no? Good ambiance or crap hole? Special occasion or just quick lunch before heading back to the office? So many things factor into "worth" or perceived worth for particular individuals or organizations then we'll get no where with "worth".
One way of defining "worth" is what X pays for Y, you might not agree with their valuation and think they overpaid but don't get all riled up about it.