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I suspect the player will dictate more where he wants to go rather than Juventus.
Zidane might be happy with what he has got, but there is absolutely no way he would not be interested in Pogba, and he would improve any team in the world (real included
Zidane might be happy with what he has got, but there is absolutely no way he would not be interested in Pogba, and he would improve any team in the world (real included
great post!
1. In regard to Gomes, MARCA say Madrid actually backed off because James went public with wanting to stay. People can say it's covering for a miss but the James article only came out a few days ago. Then on top of this, Marca have not linked Madrid to pogba after gomes joined barca. Thus i don't understand why anyone is linking gomes to barca as meaning real will now get pogba
2. If for some far out reason we don't get pogba, Jose has reassured us with his options. Perfect way to handle things. Unlike LVG that seemingly hyped possible transfers, backed out of deal, and then signed no one.
3. Revel in Mkhi playing BVB off the park in a few hours! Woodward will try to get pogba, let's all enjoy a good game of football
If that was the case and he really didn't want to come here then it would be Madrid all the press are talking about now as him signing for, we would be nowhere near a deal. There is a reason we are at such a supposed advanced stage of negotiating (we can only go off what the press tell us).
If Madrid came in for say 80 million , do you thing Juve who are notorious penny pinchers would say 'yeah you know what sod that other 20 million , you can have him'.
Juventus can't resist 100M, with all due respect that's an offer you can refuse.
Pogba wants to come here (I'm assuming here, otherwise this won't be going to this stage)
Raiola won't be bothered whether it's Madrid or United, if I were him I'd prefer Pogba to move to United so that he can move again to Madrid in a few years
Madrid won't pay up
So? What's the fuse? The only possible of this breaking off is if Pogba doesn't want to come. If he wants to come and we have the cash it's on, the rest is just details and haggling. At the end of the day Juve won't want to lose 100M over saving 5-10M, we won't mind another 5-10M (we already paid 100M anyway), Raiola won't mind a few M less.
IMHO it's about saving face who's giving in first, while everyone involved is already horny for it to happened, Juve/Pog/Raiola wants the money, we want pogba. Just playing hard to get
Pogba wants to come here (I'm assuming here, otherwise this won't be going to this stage)
Raiola won't be bothered whether it's Madrid or United, if I were him I'd prefer Pogba to move to United so that he can move again to Madrid in a few years
Madrid won't pay up
So? What's the fuse? The only possible of this breaking off is if Pogba doesn't want to come. If he wants to come and we have the cash it's on, the rest is just details and haggling. At the end of the day Juve won't want to lose 100M over saving 5-10M, we won't mind another 5-10M (we already paid 100M anyway), Raiola won't mind a few M less.
IMHO it's about saving face who's giving in first, while everyone involved is already horny for it to happened, Juve/Pog/Raiola wants the money, we want pogba. Just playing hard to get
Ok, of course you don't! A bit of a long winded comment by someone, who doesn't invest in United and transfer sagas?!
To be honest this has dragged on for a while now , I'd like it to be concluded quickly either one way or the other, most of the press are speculating as to what is happening. At least Jose is planning alternative targets if this falls through
This. All these rumours basically seem to lead back to the things Di Marzio has said and have turned into more and bigger stories. Snowball effect. Nothing concrete has been reported by the BBC for example.
Btw, if the stories are true, and Juventus are really refusing £92m+ in that way, they truly are despicable cnuts, and I hope we never do them any favours again.
great post!
1. In regard to Gomes, MARCA say Madrid actually backed off because James went public with wanting to stay. People can say it's covering for a miss but the James article only came out a few days ago. Then on top of this, Marca have not linked Madrid to pogba after gomes joined barca. Thus i don't understand why anyone is linking gomes to barca as meaning real will now get pogba
2. If for some far out reason we don't get pogba, Jose has reassured us with his options. Perfect way to handle things. Unlike LVG that seemingly hyped possible transfers, backed out of deal, and then signed no one.
3. Revel in Mkhi playing BVB off the park in a few hours! Woodward will try to get pogba, let's all enjoy a good game of football
This is not true. He never mentioned any targets and Woodward is the one who negotiates deals and if he fails or Glazers dont approve the deal then you cant blame the Manager
Jose made a big thing about other targets. This worries me.
They have no obligation to sell to us to be fair! It's business. This is a cutthroat industry, no room for favours or sympathy. You pay up or you miss out.
Anyway I'm still confident. Look at every rival forum, they have no doubt we'll sign him. We've created some self-defeating sob story about Madrid swooping in last minute. The reality is, he's ours.
True, majority are going of from what the papers and the likes of that Di Marzio.
Me? I'm basing my optimism off the back of the chef, the barber, the friend (Antoine) and the little brother of the friend!
It's just trying not to be cocky until the old lady signs (Pun intended)
We've been left with our willies limping these last few years, trauma i tell you!
We fecked up signing lucas moura and hazard because we didn't want to pay large sum of agent fee.
Hope it doesn't repeat again.
Hope it doesn't repeat again.
I would like to see Pogba at United for the start of the season. But I'm fairly relaxed. Even without him. I expect Us to start the season with the best midfield we have had for some years. Pretty sure there will be a plan B, C, D and so on.
First. Raiola flying to Miami is a good sign. If the deal was off why would he leave Turin or Europe?
Secondly. Pogba still has an agreement with United. If he, at this stage of the deal, was interested in Real Madrid then Raiola and Perez would tell everybody under the sun about this new information. So at the moment you can relax. Madrid isn't on table.
Third. Juventus is playing a dangerous game. They want to re negotiate the deal they had with Raiola. Strictly legally that's not Uniteds concerns. That's a problem between Juve and the agent.
Fourt. In every negotiation both parties tries to negotiate details in to the last seconds before the deal is finalized. Especially a veteran dealer like Marotta. Nothing unusual. In this case I think Marotta wants United to pay Raiola's fee by upper their bid from €110 to 120m. Off course Woodward is so far ice cold about this proposal. He already reached an agreement about the fee, Raiola is Juves headache.
In order to save the deal I think Raiola want all three parties to share the burden by lowering their demands. That's why he's going to Miami to present this solution to his client. As soon as the deal is accepted he and Pogba needs to go thru all the details. This is probably Paul Pogbas most important deal in his whole life. Then face to face talks are expected. Raiola is a serious agent who cares for his clients.
Will the deal go thru? Yes! To much prestige involved. Juve wants the money. Pogba and Raiola knows this is golden opportunity to earn crazy money. United can't lose this deal, again. Way to much goodwill involved.
Relax all of you. Pogba will be a United player before end of August.!
Secondly. Pogba still has an agreement with United. If he, at this stage of the deal, was interested in Real Madrid then Raiola and Perez would tell everybody under the sun about this new information. So at the moment you can relax. Madrid isn't on table.
Third. Juventus is playing a dangerous game. They want to re negotiate the deal they had with Raiola. Strictly legally that's not Uniteds concerns. That's a problem between Juve and the agent.
Fourt. In every negotiation both parties tries to negotiate details in to the last seconds before the deal is finalized. Especially a veteran dealer like Marotta. Nothing unusual. In this case I think Marotta wants United to pay Raiola's fee by upper their bid from €110 to 120m. Off course Woodward is so far ice cold about this proposal. He already reached an agreement about the fee, Raiola is Juves headache.
In order to save the deal I think Raiola want all three parties to share the burden by lowering their demands. That's why he's going to Miami to present this solution to his client. As soon as the deal is accepted he and Pogba needs to go thru all the details. This is probably Paul Pogbas most important deal in his whole life. Then face to face talks are expected. Raiola is a serious agent who cares for his clients.
Will the deal go thru? Yes! To much prestige involved. Juve wants the money. Pogba and Raiola knows this is golden opportunity to earn crazy money. United can't lose this deal, again. Way to much goodwill involved.
Relax all of you. Pogba will be a United player before end of August.!
Ok, of course you don't! A bit of a long winded comment by someone, who doesn't invest in United and transfer sagas?!
I don't get invested in transfer sagas by worrying myself, or refreshing here, or twitter and things like that. You can check how frequently i have posted on this Pogba thread for example, don't make a fool of yourself.
I won't read too much about what Jose said in his press conference, he is just being diplomatic.
It isn't like he will say yes United really desperate for Pogba and will do and pay anything to get him, isn't he.
Also Jose as a good manager, it is sensible to have other alternatives beside Pogba, hence the rumor about Matuidi and Matic.
Considering so many covering this, I believe this will concluded very soon unless United decided Juve and Raiola requests are beyond them then we will look at the alternatives. Hopefully not.
It isn't like he will say yes United really desperate for Pogba and will do and pay anything to get him, isn't he.
Also Jose as a good manager, it is sensible to have other alternatives beside Pogba, hence the rumor about Matuidi and Matic.
Considering so many covering this, I believe this will concluded very soon unless United decided Juve and Raiola requests are beyond them then we will look at the alternatives. Hopefully not.
Like I said the players dictate strongly where they go. And we dont know what is happening behind the scenes I agree.
BBC radio have now picked up the Pogba story but only based on Jose's comments, in that we want to buy him but have other targets.
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What you think? Are Woody and Mourinho focused on Pogba, or got they a decent Plan B how to develop without him?
If it doesn't get concluded by Monday at the latest then it's over. I'd imagine that all parties don't want anything to hold a deal that's worth this much money, especially the people are getting paid.
Mourinho said we're chasing a couple of players and we'll sign one of them, so it's probably safe to say we have a back up in case Pogba doesn't end up coming.
We can't rely on just Pogba. We are too big a club to be solely focus on Plan A and not having any Plan B or C. Team have to be ready way before the first match with or without Pogba.
Don't be worried about Madrid, I'm sure they're interested i Pogba, it's within their best interests to target the best players in the world, however, they're not going to get him. They've been priced out of this deal and I'm pretty sure after all the work Woody has done to make this happen he'd rather give Pogba £400k a week and his agent £50m than watch this deal slip through his fingers.
Everyone talking of these plan B's and C's, who? Matuidi and Matic are probably the only available midfielders left, Matic being probably difficult to buy. Not to add, neither of those players are a big improvement on what we have. Pogba is the only elite midfielder left available that can take us up a level. That's why I found Jose's quotes about being held ransom worrying.
Reading between the lines Jose gave Ed a list of 4 positions he wanted to fill giving 3 names for each position. For the first 3 Ed probably got the first choice on the list and the deals were done quickly.
For the 4th position, clearly Pogba is the first choice for that position, but Jose has no doubt given Ed two other names in the event that the Pogba deal cannot be finalised.
However, because this will be a world record deal and Raiola wanting to make the most of it plus Pogba being on holiday, it's not going to tied up in a few hours.
I do fully expect Pogba to sign for us but if something does go wrong there will be a second and third choice.
No worries
For the 4th position, clearly Pogba is the first choice for that position, but Jose has no doubt given Ed two other names in the event that the Pogba deal cannot be finalised.
However, because this will be a world record deal and Raiola wanting to make the most of it plus Pogba being on holiday, it's not going to tied up in a few hours.
I do fully expect Pogba to sign for us but if something does go wrong there will be a second and third choice.
No worries
Plus those two really are nothing like Pogba at all, so aren't really comparable or real alternatives. I'm hoping Jose knows that seeing as so many on here don't seem to.
Oh my God!!! If we are not getting Pogba, we are dooooomed....
Yes that's fair enough.
We don't even know Raiola flew to Miami do we?
I just feel that's the only plausible reason.
Maybe whatever club he would sign for sent their doctor to have a medical there. I don't know.
I'm a bit lost.. Why would Juve pay Raiolas fee? Seems a bit strange they would pay him for the privelage of taking their best player away!
That's like me paying the bloke who just stole my wife!
That's like me paying the bloke who just stole my wife!
Id happily pay for someone to come take mine..am I right guys?! Only joking, but not really.
Not his fee. He is entitled to a % of the fees received by juve.
I reckon Gomes might have been Plan B but we've missed out on him. Matuidi plan C? I hope this is not turning into another Fabregas where Woody dithers until we end up with Plan Z - Fellaini - or whoever his 2016 equivalent is.
With that logic Raiola can continue to jack up the price to unlimited levels, by adding 20m to the price in every meeting. "You are already spending 150m, why are you worried about 20m?"
They have a plan B and C. Missing out on Pogba would be a huge disappointment, however.
I read Jose's comments as posturing. It seems highly likely that there is an impasse on Raiola's cut and Juve want us to pay it. I'm sure that Jose comments were intended to say 'we will not be held to ransom', if you want to walk away from the deal and keep an unhappy player we have other targets'.
I do believe an agreement will be reached.
Juve enticed him into moving Pogba from United by giving him 20% of any future transfer fee, now they want us to pay that cut
They are playing hard ball.
This is the most common thing that everyone says during negotiations. It would be more daft If he said "we individuated a player, and we will do everything to get him". It puts the ball in Juve and Raiola's court. If they drag it for too long, we will buy an alternative and that's it. I am sure with all the money Juve is spending this year, they are also interested in banking on Pogba.
I for one still believe this one is still happening,we still got one more week before the deadline, if its not today then still one good week to go.
Only possible chance of this deal getting break up is Madrid getting in the last minute to match whatever we had promised to Juventus plus the agent fee,
deal between us and Juventus may be at advance stage but still the player preference matters.
Raiola getting to Miami might be on asking player to forgo his image right on which we might be very much adamant as we spend close to 100M,still lot of hurdles before this deal to get completed.
Only possible chance of this deal getting break up is Madrid getting in the last minute to match whatever we had promised to Juventus plus the agent fee,
deal between us and Juventus may be at advance stage but still the player preference matters.
Raiola getting to Miami might be on asking player to forgo his image right on which we might be very much adamant as we spend close to 100M,still lot of hurdles before this deal to get completed.
If I had a second life, I'd come back as an arrogant self important agent. What an easy way to make money. Have just one world class player on your books and you're made for life!
He gets a % of whatever Pogba is sold for and we want to pay X amount which would be 80% to Juve and 20% Raiola.
So for argument sake we want to pay 100m € with Juve getting 80 and Raiola 20. Juve wants the full 100 and us to pay Raiola the extra which would mean we pay 120m €