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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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The Madrid nonsense is exactly that, nonsense.

  • They can't fit him in the team with Kroos and Modric
  • They don't even need him
  • They can't afford him
  • There's nothing concrete to suggest he's bound there.
I can appreciate some of us still have PTSD from various muppet targets who've ended up Madrid bound, but let's show some perspective ffs.
 
starman said:
Juv really are colossus feck squabbling over the fee.

I know people are saying we should just pay it ourselves or up the bid so it is covered, but its principle, the fee was agreed, Juv knew they had to pay the fee. We would look incredibly weak, we already get walked over enough in negotiations.
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It seems we can't win. It don't matter what other people say. Other people would be happy if we didn't get him. We have to protect our own interests. Size up every situation in it's own unique way. We can make a statement after but I think we shouldn't just sit down and be quiet.....

Sometimes it's better to have your enemies closer. We can milk the player and milk anyone that tries to purchase the player after. We can't be willing to offer 100 with people saying it's crazy and then think of what other people think. The club will survive but it reflects poorly on Juventus.
 
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.

I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.

Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
 
Chill the feck out. No reason to be paranoid or worried. Apparently all we have to do is come to an agreement over Raiola's fee, so I'm sure it's nearly done.
 
ehsanul said:
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.

I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.

Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
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Sounds exactly like the version of events a Juventus fan wants to believe. It's fan fiction.
 
Kaos said:
The Madrid nonsense is exactly that, nonsense.

  • They can't fit him in the team with Kroos and Modric
  • They don't even need him
  • They can't afford him
  • There's nothing concrete to suggest he's bound there.
I can appreciate some of us still have PTSD from various muppet targets who've ended up Madrid bound, but let's show some perspective ffs.
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and the madrid press aka mouthpieces for perez keep denying they want him, outright state perez doesn't want him, or start bagging his Euro performances :lol::lol::lol:

People just want to post pessimistic rubbish, so they wait for any piece of news to do it.
 
ehsanul said:
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.

I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.

Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
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Do you have a lifelong mission to try and scourge Internet for any negative stories and then post it here to create panic?

Who the feck is Momblanofficial or Nicholas?
 
ehsanul said:
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.

I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.

Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
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Don't know who this monblan guy is, but every Italian media reported Pogba had asked to leave, so can't see this theory being true. It sounds like someone rehashing the old reports with the "won't force anything" bit and adding his own theory about Raiola's flight to Miami.
 
Full translation of the El Confidencial article. It's absolute gold. Spanish version here by the way.

Apart from official confirmation, it seems a fact that Paul Pogba will be a Manchester United player for a sum in excess of 100 million euros. Another great deal for Juventus who have managed to get maximum value from the auction in which the French midfielder finds himself involved.

The excessive interest of Mourinho combined with the subtle intentions of Zidane have placed it (the auction) on a level with Neymar - that is if we ever find out his true, definitive cost - and above Ronaldo or Bale, who approach the 100 million mark, or Luis Suarez or Zidane himself.

However, the excellent relations between the player's sporting adviser (presume they mean Raiola) and Manchester United have been reinforced this summer. Pogba will be the third football from the same 'stable' to end up at Old Trafford, after Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan. The determination of 'Mou' to snatch the Frenchman from Real Madrid is decisive in an operation that 'Zizou' looks at with pity and of which Pogba himself harbours suspicion, after the personal anguish he suffered just four years ago.

Pogba kept alive the dream despite the fact that the European Championships recently held in France didn't turn out to be satisfactory for him. However, his image, as one of the top young players on the continent, has not been dented. This eccentric 23-year-old footballer, whose ancestry is of the ancient French Guinea, has fought beyond words to play for Real Madrid.

It has been strange to see the indifference with which his desire to wear the white shirt has been received. The lack of work done by Florentino Perez is at odds with his actions from the past, despite listening to the coach's view on who is a player who can grow to maturity in the passage of time.

And Pogba has delayed giving an affirmative answer to United as long as possible. He remembers vividly how he left Old Trafford distraught, especially the treatment he received from Sir Alex Ferguson. The fact that the Scot is no longer involved day-to-day at United is the trick Mourinho has pulled to convince him. However, his memory of that time doesn't lead him to presume he will have a comfortable time in Manchester.

In October 2009 Pogba landed in northeast England, just 16 years old, coming from Le Havre. At such a young age, he was one of the most promising young players pursued to the fullest by Ferguson's talent-hunters. A powerful central midfielder with enormous physical power, he stood out for covering every blade of glass and for getting out of tricky situations in both penalty areas.

But the dreams of this Guinean pearl were dispelled little by little. Sir Alex took two years to give him his first-team debut - in a league cup tie - and six months later he entered the Premier League as a substitute for Chicharito in a game against Stoke City. The lack of opportunities and seeing himself relegated to the bench led to the obvious conclusion that he occupied a wrong position.

The Scottish manager didn't know how to manage Pogba's development and the relationship ended up worse than anyone could have imagined. The arrogant Ferguson found himself pitted against the rebelliousness of youth and in the last few months life turned into a minor hell for Paul.

Season 2011/12 finished with Pogba a symbolic presence in the lineup: seven times in seven games, including a fleeting appearance in San Mames against Atheltic. He is still marked by the day that he gave up and decided to leave Old Trafford: 31 December 2011, a match against Blackburn Rovers. Before this episode, he had asked the boss for a meeting to request an explanation. He left the office crying for the lack of opportunities, after challenging the coach: "if you don't put me in, I can't show you if I'm ready or not."

Ferguson punished the Frenchman's boldness by placing Rafael, a right-back, in the midfield. That afternoon Pogba understood that all was lost in Manchester.

The thread of the relationship became ever more tense and in the last few weeks he found himself alone in the gym, on the margin of the group. The boy had refused to extend his contract and Ferguson counterattacked with arrogance and rage. Besides, someone had informed him that the player had committed himself a few months earlier to Juventus.

The challenge of returning through the great door to Old Trafford, now without the great devil who so embittered him, did not satisfy the Frenchman, especially because of the influence that Zidane has over him. Paul is not completely free of bitterness, even if he has realised that he won't find a hole to fill at Real Madrid. Many have been the conversations between him and his compatrior, the Madrid coach. En those conversation, 'Zizou' has been prudent in requesting patience to his correspondent. The coach was conscious of the fact that only a great champion of France '16 would arrive at the Bernabeu. But the Euros gave what the gave and Pogba was left in a half-way house.

For Zidane, the midfielder has plenty of room for improvement, to build on his physical power, his tactical nous and his amazing work in both boxes. This is what he has told Florentino. He has even admitted publicly his conditions and recognised that he likes the player.

But the energy of the boss slammed on the breaks after what happened during the French tournament. The president doesn't trust the footballer and his entourage, as well as his agent. He seems him just like Benzema: guys who need too many cuddles and are uncontrollable away from the pitch. In addition, he doesn't fancy selling James or Isco.

The final call from Pogba to Zidane was a desperate attempt to plea. But Zizou can't do anything more.

That little hell doesn't seem likely to repeat itself. Mourinho replaces Ferguon in the 'theatre of dreams'. But Paul doesn't stop fearing his own personal nightmare.

 
Striker10 said:
Who are our other two profiles? It's easy to react on hearsay but who are the other two? Don't you think you'd want to know who they are - rather then guess? We should not react. It's a time for clear minds. The money they're trying to fob off us - can we milk that back and more commercially? We have to think about these things.
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They are Mourinho's 2 choices, I'll trust him on this one.

I'd prefer Pogba but we shouldn't be shagged anymore than we already have in negotiations.
 
Judas said:
Sounds exactly like the version of events a Juventus fan wants to believe. It's fan fiction.
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don't bother responding to that poster. He has been posting utter nonsense and the mods keep removing it. Yesterday he posted the same "ITK" spanish women/model picture twice because she had a picture with pogba and was saying
"DON'T BELIEVE THE MEDIA".

That poster is using "ITK" twitter posts, forum posts etc to try and say it's not happening.
 
Noc-Z said:
I don't want a player who would rather be elsewhere. And Pogba would rather be in Madrid.
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So much so that he'd be willing to move to United rather then stay at Juventus in the CL? So how big is this preference? ..
 
ehsanul said:
A fan wrote in the Juventus forum.

I don't know if it was mentioned here but @MomblanOfficial had a lot to say about Pogba today, @Nicholas tweeted a lot of stuff.

Basically he said that Pogba never requested a transfer and would only accept United if Juventus accepted an offer but he will not force anything. Juventus have no intention on selling him in this market (I guess that means they don't like possible replacements that are out there) and are requesting ridicuolous numbers from United (130m in cash + Raiola's fee + Pogba's salary). Allegri wants to keep him at all costs and doesn't want Witsel at all. He also said Raiola is flying to Miami to try and convince Pogba to request a transfer and Juventus offered 7.5m + bonuses extension to Pogba.
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Same guy tweeted this earlier:



Communication paraufficiale of #Pogba the #ManUtd #Juve yields: is. Informed also #Allegri. We talk about 125 million (to be verified)
 
Judas said:
Prove it. Because of stuff you've read? You've no clue. Why do people treat some stuff as gospel just to suit their agenda.
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. It's because the unbiased Madrid newspapers AS and Marca said so.

They don't have any agenda, none at all
 
"And Pogba has delayed giving an affirmative answer to United as long as possible. He remembers vividly how he left Old Trafford distraught, especially the treatment he received from Sir Alex Ferguson. The fact that the Scot is no longer involved day-to-day at United is the trick Mourinho has pulled to convince him. However, his memory of that time doesn't lead him to presume he will have a comfortable time in Manchester.

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Absolute bollocks from El Confidencial. Proper smear campaign and shitty propaganda.
 
Noc-Z said:
I don't want a player who would rather be elsewhere. And Pogba would rather be in Madrid.
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I guess we can enjoy signing no-one then. Players for the most part would always prefer the Spanish clubs over us. Who wouldn't prefer to play with the Messis, Ronaldos and Neymars in beautiful sunny Spain over Wayne Rooney in rainy Manchester.

This preference shite is boring now, he's not being forced to come to our club, whether or not we're his preferred destination doesn't matter. You could argue we're not De Gea's preferred destination either. You don't fluff the chance to sign one of the best talents in world football because you're upset he likes other clubs more.
 
JohnnyKills said:
Full translation of the El Confidencial article. It's absolute gold. Spanish version here by the way.

Apart from official confirmation, it seems a fact that Paul Pogba will be a Manchester United player for a sum in excess of 100 million euros. Another great deal for Juventus who have managed to get maximum value from the auction in which the French midfielder finds himself involved.

The excessive interest of Mourinho combined with the subtle intentions of Zidane have placed it (the auction) on a level with Neymar - that is if we ever find out his true, definitive cost - and above Ronaldo or Bale, who approach the 100 million mark, or Luis Suarez or Zidane himself.

However, the excellent relations between the player's sporting adviser (presume they mean Raiola) and Manchester United have been reinforced this summer. Pogba will be the third football from the same 'stable' to end up at Old Trafford, after Ibrahimovic and Mkhitaryan. The determination of 'Mou' to snatch the Frenchman from Real Madrid is decisive in an operation that 'Zizou' looks at with pity and of which Pogba himself harbours suspicion, after the personal anguish he suffered just four years ago.

Pogba kept alive the dream despite the fact that the European Championships recently held in France didn't turn out to be satisfactory for him. However, his image, as one of the top young players on the continent, has not been dented. This eccentric 23-year-old footballer, whose ancestry is of the ancient French Guinea, has fought beyond words to play for Real Madrid.

It has been strange to see the indifference with which his desire to wear the white shirt has been received. The lack of work done by Florentino Perez is at odds with his actions from the past, despite listening to the coach's view on who is a player who can grow to maturity in the passage of time.

And Pogba has delayed giving an affirmative answer to United as long as possible. He remembers vividly how he left Old Trafford distraught, especially the treatment he received from Sir Alex Ferguson. The fact that the Scot is no longer involved day-to-day at United is the trick Mourinho has pulled to convince him. However, his memory of that time doesn't lead him to presume he will have a comfortable time in Manchester.

In October 2009 Pogba landed in northeast England, just 16 years old, coming from Le Havre. At such a young age, he was one of the most promising young players pursued to the fullest by Ferguson's talent-hunters. A powerful central midfielder with enormous physical power, he stood out for covering every blade of glass and for getting out of tricky situations in both penalty areas.

But the dreams of this Guinean pearl were dispelled little by little. Sir Alex took two years to give him his first-team debut - in a league cup tie - and six months later he entered the Premier League as a substitute for Chicharito in a game against Stoke City. The lack of opportunities and seeing himself relegated to the bench led to the obvious conclusion that he occupied a wrong position.

The Scottish manager didn't know how to manage Pogba's development and the relationship ended up worse than anyone could have imagined. The arrogant Ferguson found himself pitted against the rebelliousness of youth and in the last few months life turned into a minor hell for Paul.

Season 2011/12 finished with Pogba a symbolic presence in the lineup: seven times in seven games, including a fleeting appearance in San Mames against Atheltic. He is still marked by the day that he gave up and decided to leave Old Trafford: 31 December 2011, a match against Blackburn Rovers. Before this episode, he had asked the boss for a meeting to request an explanation. He left the office crying for the lack of opportunities, after challenging the coach: "if you don't put me in, I can't show you if I'm ready or not."

Ferguson punished the Frenchman's boldness by placing Rafael, a right-back, in the midfield. That afternoon Pogba understood that all was lost in Manchester.

The thread of the relationship became ever more tense and in the last few weeks he found himself alone in the gym, on the margin of the group. The boy had refused to extend his contract and Ferguson counterattacked with arrogance and rage. Besides, someone had informed him that the player had committed himself a few months earlier to Juventus.

The challenge of returning through the great door to Old Trafford, now without the great devil who so embittered him, did not satisfy the Frenchman, especially because of the influence that Zidane has over him. Paul is not completely free of bitterness, even if he has realised that he won't find a hole to fill at Real Madrid. Many have been the conversations between him and his compatrior, the Madrid coach. En those conversation, 'Zizou' has been prudent in requesting patience to his correspondent. The coach was conscious of the fact that only a great champion of France '16 would arrive at the Bernabeu. But the Euros gave what the gave and Pogba was left in a half-way house.

For Zidane, the midfielder has plenty of room for improvement, to build on his physical power, his tactical nous and his amazing work in both boxes. This is what he has told Florentino. He has even admitted publicly his conditions and recognised that he likes the player.

But the energy of the boss slammed on the breaks after what happened during the French tournament. The president doesn't trust the footballer and his entourage, as well as his agent. He seems him just like Benzema: guys who need too many cuddles and are uncontrollable away from the pitch. In addition, he doesn't fancy selling James or Isco.

The final call from Pogba to Zidane was a desperate attempt to plea. But Zizou can't do anything more.

That little hell doesn't seem likely to repeat itself. Mourinho replaces Ferguon in the 'theatre of dreams'. But Paul doesn't stop fearing his own personal nightmare.
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This makes Pogba out to be a battered housewife.
 
Judas said:
I honestly had no idea how emotionally scarred the members of this board were until now. The fear and worry about Real off the back of a few tweets is unbelievable.
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Hehehe, when people are checking the exact location of a player or agent.
And monitoring the timings in Miami.
You know that some people are taking this transfer very personally. ;)
 
VanGaalEra said:
Same guy tweeted this earlier:



Communication paraufficiale of #Pogba the #ManUtd #Juve yields: is. Informed also #Allegri. We talk about 125 million (to be verified)
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I got the following from google translate :

Even paraufficiale of #Juve communication gives : #Pogba is #ManUtd . Also #Allegri informed . There is talk of 125 ml
 
VanGaalEra said:
Same guy tweeted this earlier:



Communication paraufficiale of #Pogba the #ManUtd #Juve yields: is. Informed also #Allegri. We talk about 125 million (to be verified)
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Just to follow on, he also retweeted someone else who info and said 'a lot of info you have *wink*'.

That guy has tweeted that it's done and we will pay 120M plus the fee of Raiola.
 
Every fecking time I see you @ehsanul post something it is either a doom&gloom scenario, some random tweet from a knob gobling slapper, some unconfirmed negative rumours or just general depression.

I bet you are a real hoot at parties.
 
Why would Raiola fly to Miami to try and talk Pogba into asking for a transfer if we already have agreed a deal with both Juve and their player?

What is the actual truth? I am calling bullshite on most of the these journos including Di Marzio. None of them know jack sh*t.
 
SwansonsTache said:
Every fecking time I see you @ehsanul post something it is either a doom&gloom scenario, some random tweet from a knob gobling slapper, some unconfirmed negative rumours or just general depression.

I bet you are a real hoot at parties.
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Was thinking the same last night. It's almost as if he enjoys the misery.
 
Best thing about this whole saga is how butthurt Madrid are.

Lose out on Pogba because we financially out muscled them. Lose Gomes to Barca for the same reason. Lose De Gea because their IT infrastructure is circa 1999. And, at the end of it all, a transfer ban for a year.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Just to follow on, he also retweeted someone else who info and said 'a lot of info you have *wink*'.

That guy has tweeted that it's done and we will pay 120M plus the fee of Raiola.
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Reddit:

Torino based journalist.

He also reported Conte's departure before it happened but can get stuff wrong.

Personally i'd take this with a pinch of salt.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So Juve promised Raiola 20% of any transfer fee that they recieved so that he would persuade Pogba to sign for them, and now they've decided to go back on their word? If that's true then they shouldn't be surprised if agents act like arseholes to them from now on.
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As I have interpreted this rumour, Juventus wants the fee from United to be increased to the level where it matches the money they will have to pay to Raiola.

If Raiolas fee is 20% and Juventus value Pogba as being worth £100 000 000 they just communicate to United that they think he is worth £120 000 000. Thus they do pay Raiolas fee...formally.

It's a quite understandable position from Juventus since they don't want to sell and even though we as United-fans don't like it they are totally entitled to negotiate that way.
 
We can only guess what is happening guys. But for the agent to fly to Miami there are few possibilities

1. He wants to discuss a few things with his client regarding the biggest transfer in history, contractual things to iron out
2. Real have entered the negotiations and he wants to discuss this with his client
3. Juve are playing hardball over the agent fees and the deal itself, and are insisting that if Pogba wants to leave he needs to ask to
 
This reaction from Madrid media makes it clear they wanted to sign him and they've accepted he isn't going to sign for them.

All the media articles in AS, Marca and Elconfidencial have been attacking us. Feels beautiful.
 
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