There is no random story I'm responding to what TrustInJanuzai said - that's why I quoted him as such - "If he had the option to go to Madrid I think he might choose them but that option doesn't exist".
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I honestly wouldn't let anything you read in this thread get you irritated or upset.
The reality is that real is a big club with a large pull, however so are we so you have to get out of this inferior thinking.
You guys really had 25,000 posts for a transfer thread? feck me.
This settles it for me, there is no other explanation one man can have a big smile on his face in some random picture.
But the banks do. Spanish banks are not at their best. They have no reason to loan to Real for a transfer fee, there is plenty of more profitable business to do.
This is the current state of Spanish banks.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/loan-growth-suffers-at-spanish-banks-1447366075
Now coupled with some other news on the European front for Spanish football clubs under EC investigation:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2401_en.htm
And now if that guarantee provided by the banks for the transfer fees was tax payer money...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/real-madrid-face-european-investigation-7394092
In short, yes Real needs political pressure to get those loans/guarantees, and right now, it's not the moment to ask for one. So they need to provide the cash themselves.
I wait for a confirmation from @carvajal of course.
No keep chasing the impossible and not being able to land these big deals that is humiliating. Vidal, Ramos, Hazard, the list just keeps growing for us if we don't see this one through.
United shouldn't chew off more than they can bite. Nothing humiliating about being realistic and saying if we can't get Pogba now we shouldn't waste our time on it. But if you drag everyone and everything back in such a saga again, you have to be certain you can see it through to the end.
They don't need spanish banks though, they have access to all the banks.
Slow news day today considering this deal was 'done' yesterday. Looks like people are running out of things to make up.
He was pretty strong and efficient for Southampton before we signed him.... i think he would work well as a defensive shield behind a more box to box player and a 10 - few stats on his previous season in the link here
http://www.thinkfootball.co.uk/five...ited-wont-give-up-on-pursuit-of-schneiderlin/
Would swap him for a Kroos in a heartbeat though
I agree! Maybe I have to much time in the sun.
Regarding topic I hope Mourinho prefers a 433 formation with Pogg in the front of our midfield. I don't like this 4231 formation with Roo in the middle, makes me uncomfortable.
Cant believe this is still on going, i would wait to they confirm the Higuain deal and then say heres our final offer and you have 48 hours, dont believe they will be funding that deal without the Pogba sale, if they dont want the deal then lets move on and get someone else in.
There's nothing impossible about Pogba, it's just crazy money for a footballer, and very complex.
It's unreal the moaning from people like you.
"Oh we never target top players"
"Oh feck sake how humiliating going for a top player and not getting him!"
Who? Hsbc? Deutsche Bank? Bank of America? Goldman Sachs? Truth is, I don't think so... Business 101 is that you deal locally to get a better deal. Those banks above would rip them off because they only see the business relationship, nothing more. We'll see if Real can pull another big transfer on its own but it's unlikely for me, given all the above.
I would just add him to a long list of players who look good for a mid table club but can't hack it at the top level. I can't see anything about his game that shows me he could be decisive at the top level and we have far too many "solid" or ""reliable" players. He's a box to box player but at our level you need a really skilful player with the ability to break through defences in that position IMO. I don't think he's a number 6 either.
Ah cheers. Awesome city. Lovely people. When there make sure you check out the Royal Palace and try some oreja whilst you're at it
But it's the Spanish banks that give them the favourable terms. No other football clubs do this because no other clubs can leverage the preferential treatment that Real get from the Spanish banks. Even with our revenue we can't get the terms that they get.
"You guys"?
You're just as culpable as anybody now, don't try and play the innocent by-stander.
But it doesn't mean that they can only have loans from Spanish banks, it just means that they will have normal deals with the others. I mean, it's simple to understand.
Edit: And Real Madrid can afford those normal deals.
This 'saga' is causing too many petty arguments. The levels of frustration and impatience on here atm are unreal.
It doesn't help when a good portion of posters say it's a done deal and it was wrapped up weeks ago when there are reports of Madrid coming in to it.
I think it's safe to say the caf is in a meltdown.
It doesn't help when a good portion of posters say it's a done deal and it was wrapped up weeks ago when there are reports of Madrid coming in to it.
I think it's safe to say the caf is in a meltdown.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
L'Equipe
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/juventus-position-themselves-for-blaise-matuidi/
Kinda feel L'Equipe hurt themselves with such an early "deal done" report, but they are still reliable enough.
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/juventus-position-themselves-for-blaise-matuidi/
Kinda feel L'Equipe hurt themselves with such an early "deal done" report, but they are still reliable enough.
We should get both just to feck them over.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
why coz you have said so ?
considering its been reported hes had a medical and should be wrapped up within the next 24 hours i cant see the Pogba deal being done by then can you ?
They didn't say that it was done though, they said that an agreement was in place between the clubs and the player.
Ok. Pogba is a very good player. Is he worth this money? I don't think so. If Juv is dragging their feet over this deal, I would move on. With the price quoted, we can buy 2-3 player of similar level e.g. RW, CB and MF. Stop wasting time and get it done else move on.
They won't "confirm the Higuain deal" without the Pogba deal being signed!!! Why does no one else understand this!!???
That's most likely the reason why Higuain isn't expected at Juventus until next monday.
Can't imagine that it would take them that long to activate the release clause (considering that it is due to expire if i reckon correctly) and since the've already agreed personal terms with the player and performed his medical they're now just waiting for the end of Pogba negotiations.
May it be one way or another, Juve will have an interest in solving this situation as soon as possible in order to allow their team a valid pre-season.
I would disagree because it's all related to the club balance sheet understanding by the bank and those do not translate well in a financial statements for football clubs. This is why a local bank would be more inclined to deal with you. Right now, with all the capital and liquidity regulations, no bank would be interested in doing a deal to help a club, let's not fool ourselves here. Either you raise cash yourself or you have "bad" terms. And I simply believe Real is not ready to have those bad terms. Again I am waiting to see the next big transfer for Madrid, with no player sale before. It might not happen anytime soon.
I am sure Woodward and Mourinho know if the Pogba deal is on or not. Just because they haven't informed us muppets yet doesn't mean we aren't getting him.
I'm not sure this is right. It's been reported, e.g. Swiss Ramble, that Barcelona relied on political intervention to guarantee their bank loans (effectively, Barca did not meet the terms of repayment on existing debt, however political influence has meant this issue has been overlooked by banks). So there is precedent that political intervention occurs in regards to Spanish football debt.
There have also been reports about political interventions to enable Real to take out loans to fund the Bale acquisition, e.g. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...gated-for-illegal-state-backing-say-MEPs.html. I don't know what the outcome of the investigation mentioned in this report was, or whether it is even concluded, but the report suggests that Real lack sufficient assets, or even promises of future income (which have already been used to guarantee other loans, according to Swiss Ramble), against which to guarantee significant new debt.
There have also been recent reports about the state aid given to Real by way of land deals: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-2401_en.htm. So not specifically about helping to support them to guarantee new loans, but it is another example of political support aiding Spanish clubs financially.
I would say that all football clubs seem to use smoke and mirrors to distort their financial positions, so it's very difficult to say one way or the other. But the evidence over the past few years, not all of which I have listed here, and I'm not also not including the specific story @Gasolin mentioned about a current investigation into political influence over banks with regards Real Madrid loans (I don't know anything about that), suggests that Real don't have much borrowing ability remaining, and already rely on political intervention to guarantee existing debt, never-mind future debt.
Everybody has said this but which MF of similar quality/potential could we acquire, while still having money left over to spend on a quality cb and RW?
It's like Groundhog Day, it really is. We should have just signed a few Joe Allens for £60m, that would have kept our RedCafe accountants happy.
Because they are not stupid. They can't afford to buy Higuain without selling Pogba therefore if they buy Higuain first they lose all negotiating power on closing the Pogba deal, either to us or whoever. If the Higuain deal is confirmed then that means that the Pogba deal (to us or whoever) is also done, whether it's been announced or not. IMO.
I put an article from a French magazine that explains why the valuation is still rationale.
I hear what you are saying.
But since the Di Maria affair, I think many on here have on their minds that we may get an absolute top class attacker (in FiFA XI) team, who joins us because Madrid don't want him.
Then a year later, he gets himself a transfer to another team.
Also, because Madrid have taken Ronaldo (previously) and attempted to take DDG (and failed because of a FAX machine error), many on here are scared of Madrid.
Pogba may well arrive this season, but what if he gets a better offer next season to go to another team?
Rooney is playing in the middle, get used to it.
They are always going to sell players because they have a limited amount of players registrable, so you will wait forever.
"Pogba's worth"
"If it doesn't happen in X number of days it's off"
There is no point arguing about SUBJECTIVE BS. We have no control over the club.
"If it doesn't happen in X number of days it's off"
There is no point arguing about SUBJECTIVE BS. We have no control over the club.