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Do you want Pogba for £100 million?

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Rory 7 said:
Why not?
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I asked you a question. You respond with another question. The onus is on you to explain how you come to that conclusion. But fine, I'll bite.

It doesn't make sense because this shows Raiola wants to get the deal done and get his due in the process. They will rightly figure that the sum offered by United is more than fair and it's up to Juventus to honour their agreement with Raiola. Pogba isn't going to tell Raiola to drop his share, he has his agent's back. Raiola meeting with Juventus indicates that he might be willing to negotiate about his share rather than outright demanding what was agreed initially. It all points to a deal that is in a very advanced stage and all parties are close to a settlement. No one wants to bend over, so it takes time to settle on the details, but they'll get there eventually.
 
Juve would never have spent 75m GBP on Higuain if Pogba wasn't happening this summer, installments or not. They won't be getting 120m EUR again, or at least they wouldn't want to take the risk to find out.

I'd like to see us strong-arm them and pay the fees themselves. Don't mind waiting at all.
 
To be fair, if we pay the 20 odd million or whatever it is to Raoila, it won't just cost that actual amount. It'll cost us much more in the long run when so many clubs and agents expect the same from us in the future.

I'd seriously love Pogba here and I've always been on the 'it isn't my money' side of the argument, but even I'm starting to see the madness in this.
 
GDaly95 said:
To be fair, if we pay the 20 odd million or whatever it is to Raoila, it won't just cost that actual amount. It'll cost us much more in the long run when so many clubs and agents expect the same from us in the future.

I'd seriously love Pogba here and I've always been on the 'it isn't my money' side of the argument, but even I'm starting to see the madness in this.
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I feel the same. I'm no longer sure I want Pogba, everything seems to be a bit too crazy at the moment.
 
Why don't we just ban anyone who just posts about breaking records or other crap that is nothing to do with the thread ..wtf is wrong with people lives that that's all they have to think about.

It doesn't help the sinking feeling that this deal is looking more and more like it's not happening .I just hope we have a back up plan that doesn't involve fabregas or sissoko .

Either the player doesn't want to come which very much appears to be the case at this point or we are quite rightly refusing to pay Raiolas cut of the fee which let us not forget was put in as reward for him moving Pogba away from us in the first place..
 
If the agent fee was made with Juventus then why should we be asked to pay it for them. They agreed to the stipulation and as such should honour it.
 
Ainu said:
I asked you a question. You respond with another question. The onus is on you to explain how you come to that conclusion. But fine, I'll bite.

It doesn't make sense because this shows Raiola wants to get the deal done and get his due in the process. They will rightly figure that the sum offered by United is more than fair and it's up to Juventus to honour their agreement with Raiola. Pogba isn't going to tell Raiola to drop his share, he has his agent's back. Raiola meeting with Juventus indicates that he might be willing to negotiate about his share rather than outright demanding what was agreed initially. It all points to a deal that is in a very advanced stage and all parties are close to a settlement. No one wants to bend over, so it takes time to settle on the details, but they'll get there eventually.
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I don't see how any of that demonstrates that the deal is agreed with United. If anything it crystallizes exactly what I said in my original post. The player's side is stalling i.e. his agent. As has been widely reported in the press today. I'm not sure why my take on things offends you so much. If you are struggling with the very idea that Pogba won't sign you need to chill man. In any event, I hope he continues to stall and we move on.
 
Here is a way of looking at the glass half full, no one has mentioned Real Madrid once, its all us, clear skies , smooth sailing to the finish line
 
The issue seems to be that there is/was some sort of (non-enforceable) gentleman's agreement between Raiola and Juve with regards to a commission should Pogba be sold. Raiola is arguing that Juve should pay up and Juve is telling us to pay his commission and there won't be any issues. Something that we have strongly declined to do. This goes hand-in-hand with what Mourinho said about not being held for ransom. I guess the negotiations now is about how to handle this commission and if the parties are interested in any sort of split payments.

All conjecture but eh...not much else to discuss right now.
 
Irrational. said:
I knew dealing with Raiola would be trouble. Dealing with him is like doing a deal with the devil.
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Why, all he's doing is trying to get the money juve agreed to pay him.

Damien said:
Doesn't really matter as some posts will probably be deleted. Technically this thread is already larger - at least 400 posts have been deleted.
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What kind of posts were deleted?

micksjoiner said:
Bet SAF is saying I told you Raiolo is a twat :lol:
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See above.
 
Giggs86 said:
It's not our money though is it? Why some fans care about how much money the club spends on a player is beyond me. I could understand it if the club would announce that they will raise the ticket prices and the merchandise prices because they spent 150M on a player. But it doesn't work that way. At the end of the day we want to see the best and the most exciting players wearing the red shirt, instead of somehow feeling better that the club "saved money".
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I didn't say anything about £150m being too much money to spend on players.... I think it's too much to spend on Pogba. I also think United (by not having a max and not saying "xxxx off" to tubbys' fees) are sending out the wrong message that other clubs can just name their price/terms which is poor negotiating and sets a precedent.

But realise in the minority and money's irrelevant now.
 
ChaddyP said:
Here is a way of looking at the glass half full, no one has mentioned Real Madrid once, its all us, clear skies , smooth sailing to the finish line
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Nobody has mentioned Conte and Chelsea either. Or the fact that it was widely reported mid-season that Pogba would prefer to move to London if moving back to the Premier League.
 
Cristiano Lell said:
lmao why would Juve have to pay an agent's fee when you want to buy their player?
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Juventus agreed to pay 20% of the transfer fee to Raiola when Pogba signed his contract with Juventus. Now, Juventus are trying to back out of the contract and say United should pay the 20% in ADDITION to Juventus' fee. There is literally no other transfer in history where the buying club has paid the selling club's sell-on fee. It makes no sense for United to pay when it's Juventus' obligation. What next? United start paying the Juve grounds people? United to start paying Juventus' bribes?
 
VanGaalyTime said:
Juventus agreed to pay 20% of the transfer fee to Raiola when Pogba signed his contract with Juventus. Now, Juventus are trying to back out of the contract and say United should pay the 20% in ADDITION to Juventus' fee. There is literally no other transfer in history where the buying club has paid the selling club's sell-on fee. It makes no sense for United to pay when it's Juventus' obligation. What next? United start paying the Juve grounds people? United to start paying Juventus' bribes?
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Does it matter? We can afford it, they clearly cannot. We pay it and be sure to put it out there that Juve reneged on a contract they held with a player's agent and watch them struggle to sign players for the next decade.
 
Rory 7 said:
I don't see how any of that demonstrates that the deal is agreed with United. If anything it crystallizes exactly what I said in my original post. The player's side is stalling i.e. his agent. As has been widely reported in the press today. I'm not sure why my take on things offends you so much. If you are struggling with the very idea that Pogba won't sign you need to chill man. In any event, I hope he continues to stall and we move on.
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It doesn't, because the deal isn't agreed. I said it demonstrates all parties are close to a settlement. I'm not offended by your opinion nor am I struggling in any way with the idea Pogba won't come. I'm fine either way. I am just completely bemused and puzzled by your logic and your manner of discussion. You continue to claim it clearly demonstrates stalling on the player's part but you fail to say how. I just went through the trouble of explaining my reasoning and you just reply by stating it shows the opposite, without any explanation. It's tiresome.
 
How often has the transfer record been broken for a player who was actually considered the best in the world at that particular moment in time?

Surely, however often the word is rolled out, 'potential' will always play a part in the most extortionate fees?
 
What I've gotten out of these 651 pages so far is that if we dont sign Paul Pogba he wont be playing for us next season. Am I right?
 
acrebo said:
How often has the transfer record been broken for a player who was actually considered the best in the world at that particular moment in time?

Surely, however often the word is rolled out, 'potential' will always play a part in the most extortionate fees?
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CR7? Bought for 80m GBP coming fresh from a Ballon d'Or win.
 
It's amazing how Juve fans seem to think this recent news means he's coming to us while it is making us think it won't happen. :lol:
 
VanGaalyTime said:
Juventus agreed to pay 20% of the transfer fee to Raiola when Pogba signed his contract with Juventus. Now, Juventus are trying to back out of the contract and say United should pay the 20% in ADDITION to Juventus' fee. There is literally no other transfer in history where the buying club has paid the selling club's sell-on fee. It makes no sense for United to pay when it's Juventus' obligation. What next? United start paying the Juve grounds people? United to start paying Juventus' bribes?
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Indeed it should be the selling club paying the agent's fee. Juventus have already committed to the Higuain deal which is going to cost them a lot of money and they definitely need the proceeds from the Pogba sale to help ease the pain.
If they continue to play hardball with us, I would rather we work quietly behind the scenes to close the deals for our other options and tell Juventus to F%*k off.
 
ChaddyP said:
My grandmother could have told you negotiations are ongoing :lol:
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What I'm basically hoping is that he now has ears and eyes in this deal. If you see him say Pogba will join United, you better believe it's a sure thing!
 
Ainu said:
It doesn't, because the deal isn't agreed. I said it demonstrates all parties are close to a settlement. I'm not offended by your opinion nor am I struggling in any way with the idea Pogba won't come. I'm fine either way. I am just completely bemused and puzzled by your logic and your manner of discussion. You continue to claim it clearly demonstrates stalling on the player's part but you fail to say how. I just went through the trouble of explaining my reasoning and you just reply by stating it shows the opposite, without any explanation. It's tiresome.
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I said on the player's side. Read my post. And you friggin well agree with me. The agent is stalling the process because his fee hasn't been agreed. One conclusion to that is United are playing serious hardball with Raiola given our history with him. A second, and entirely feasible alternative conclusion, is that they are stalling to see who else matches United's bid. Either conclusion doesn't exactly point to good relations between United and the Pogba camp now does it? It's not that hard to imagine them stalling for either reason. I'm equally bemused that I had to explain this to you in such detail.
 
If these recent reports are true I honestly wouldn't mind us just refusing to pay the agent fee because it sets a poor example going forward with future deals. We are in a position of power in terms of Juve have just spent a hell of a lot of money on Higuain and are more than likely relying on this deal going through. Biding our time and letting them sweat would be no problem for me and in the mean time perhaps test the water with other targets until they see sense and complete the deal.
 
Damien said:
11,808 people have registered in past two years. Main reason this is becoming the biggest thread is the spamalot newbs being added. Vidal thread ballooned more naturally.
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The same Vidal thread lasted 2 summers though.
 
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