Another day and no real news.
see if Sky Sports are right about him being in Manchester tomorrow.
see if Sky Sports are right about him being in Manchester tomorrow.
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2009/10 does not constitute a complete season, as he wasn't registered until October. This is why he doesn't qualify.
Also, if we (or anyone else) had signed him again at least 3 months before he turned 21 he would have qualified.
Got it. Okay. Why 3 years? Again my point is its an arbitary rule as all rules are. This particular rule is hardly true to the real 'spirit' of home-grown players now is it.
As will be proven very clearly when we re-sign Paul Pogba. Think about it.
We will have a player on our books that we originally poached from Le Harve and bought back from Juve for £100m. And he will be defined as 'home-grown'. Football's governing bodies never fail to amaze me.
When was the last time we had such a player? Maybe Keane in his early days? Before that, Robson?
No he won't!!!!
Because it represents half of the formative years. It's not even that difficult to understand.
Yes, I don't mean nationally, but he was like a month short of counting as homegrown at Man Utd.
yeah I just found that bit and was about to edit my post. So he falls just short.
the 3 season thing does not have to be with the same club, it can be with multiple clubs as long as the are part of the FA or FA of Wales.
Yup, by 3 months. Thanks to Le Havre bitching about us stealing their prospect
I'm talking about homegrown at club, not country. Jones is homegrown in England, but a month short of homegrown at Man Utd.
At the risk of going slightly off topic...
Why does it matter if he's homegrown or not? Could we have a lack of homegrown players for the CL or something?
Why does it matter if he's homegrown or not? Could we have a lack of homegrown players for the CL or something?
Well that's why everyone's circumstances are unique.
Not sure what you are really arguing here, the rule is what it is. Pogba falls short of being Home Grown by bit over a month. Nationality does not play a part in a player being home grown, because it would violate the law. We got Pogba when he was 16, so there is no issue with him being Home Grown had he spent enough time here because he would have developed with us.
The rule is intended to get clubs to use players developed within the two FA's. Now they don't have to be developed from the time they were 8 years old.
It is as arbitrary as any rule is, so what, not sure why that is an issue with you except you seem to want to argue everything in this thread today.
Maybe I missed something but does that even matter?
Only in European competition, really.
But in that case he will only be an association-trained player, if he spents the three years with the same club he is a club-trained player. From the UEFA pov, the first one qualifies for the list of 8 players association-trained and the second for the list of 4 players club-trained.
What does that mean? Semantics to me.
When asked to think of "dynamic" players I'd think of the likes of Vieira and Keane in their prime, players able to cover a lot of ground and get you on the front foot. Physicality is part of that.
At the risk of going slightly off topic...
Why does it matter if he's homegrown or not? Could we have a lack of homegrown players for the CL or something?
No-one told you?
Nail on the head. I see two very different players there. I'd always prefer a Keane type player to a Vieria one. And as I said ages ago Pogba reminds me of Viera.
Not arguing anything. Just saying I think the spirit of the idea of home-grown players is diluted by the rule. That's all.
Has there been anything new at all? All this silence is killing me.
Why cant he be built like Vierra but play like Keane?
Why cant he be built like Vierra but play like Keane?
Can we keep all this homegrown chat to either a different thread, or wait to at least something is official.
Will Pogba get a new haircut if he signs with us ?
Maybay he can color it part red with a devil shaven in it
He's Muslim, I doubt he'll have any satanic symbolism
Lol
Seriously?
For the UEFA, homegrown isn't a thing. They have to categories, club-trained and association-trained. And it makes a lot more sense than homegrown.
Guys can I ask a really dumb question here. Seeing as we can't talk aobut
So what ARE we allowed to talk about in the Paul Pogba thread in the transfer forum? Serious question. I'm really beginning to wonder. Is this thread literally just to discuss the transfer when it happens? When news breaks? And nothing else. If it is I will take my leave.
So what ARE we allowed to talk about in the Paul Pogba thread in the transfer forum? Serious question. I'm really beginning to wonder. Is this thread literally just to discuss the transfer when it happens? When news breaks? And nothing else. If it is I will take my leave.
At the risk of going slightly off topic...
Why does it matter if he's homegrown or not? Could we have a lack of homegrown players for the CL or something?
I guess only because people take pride in the number of homegrown players in the team, not that we are at the risk of having too few homegrown players in the squad anytime soon.
But like Mr.Mujac (?) said above, the definition of homegrown player is quite artificial so I do find the debate a bit uninteresting to be honest.
Vieira was hardly just a physical brute alone. Guy was a fantastic footballer, much like Keane. Pogba seems incredibly dynamic to me; incredibly physical, yes, but also someone who can be key to attacks with plenty of assists and some long-range goals.
In our squad of 25 players for the Premier League, only 17 are allowed to be not homegrown, so it would have been useful to have Pogba be homegrown as well.
I don't think we're currently in any danger of a problem on that front, but it's nice to avoid.
Every player we have that counts as home grown (according the rules of the PL, that all the PL clubs agreed to when the rule was set up) is a good thing in that it gives us more flexibility when it comes to meeting the rules each season.
I remember when the rule was first announced, the clubs were given a years notice, plus they had all been involved in agreeing to the rule. There were a lot of people who thought clubs were going to have a difficult time complying with the rules, I think Arsenal was a popular target at the time. End of the day, I don't think there have been many issues with clubs meeting the rule.
That's just splitting hairs for me. Obviously they were different players, but both had similar strengths, played in a similar positions and did the same job for the most part. In an ere before "defensive/attacking midfielders", when midfielders where expected to do both they were the best and most would consider them at the very least similar in style and approach.
My point is that a player like Pogba, who is physical, creative and full of energy is what most people would consider "dynamic". You could argue a player like Keane would be less so, since he was more defensive that creative for the most part.
The fee is ridiculous but that's the way football is going so it is what it is. I can't see a better option for us if we're looking for a player to really offer us drive, ability and energy in the middle of the pitch.
It's the transfer forum, so surely we should talk about any news relating to the transfer - this homegrown stuff is irrelevant as he isn't a Utd player yet.
When he is fine.
The question of whether a target counts as homegrown is probably the most on-topic this thread has been in days.
Agree. People seem to also forget how quick he is with the ball at his feet, for a midfielder. He thrives in counter-attacks and that's where people will see the best of him, imo.
I haven't really paid attention to reports lately - how much are we supposedly paying to Juventus and to Raiola now?
WTF
It doesn't symbolize satan, it is part of our club badge, part of our nickname the red devils, our mascot Fred the red is a little devil, it symbolizes the club and nothing else. It doesn't have any religious connotation or meaning at all.
If he signs he will play with on it Jersey every match, train with on his jersey every day, he will be called a red devil, he has been before when he was in the academy, but now the man that has pokemon balls, zebra stripes and jaguar print in his hair wouldn't have the symbol in his hair because he is muslim. Do you even know how fecking retarded that sounds ?
EDIT: Damn white text !