David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

Randall Flagg said:
Get over your hate :lol:

I still have slight hope for Adnan, and I think Moyes can get it out of him. If that means kicking him up the arse with comments that he made, so be it

Do you think he is going to go into the Sunderland dressing room and say "listen lads, I've been shite my last two jobs, it's all my fault so I'm not going to critisise any of you"
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Get over your love for Moyes :lol::rolleyes::lol:
 
.Rossi said:
Have you seen his quotes?

He went to town on Kenwright, claiming he only ever gave 5 million to spend on a transfer budget..That's not a lie, but the truth. He said that

He blames everyone, except himself, for his failings here and in Spain, yet he publicly says Januzaj needs to stop blaming everyone else for his failings

Whether he's right or wrong about Januzaj (I think he's shit tbh) It's laughable he can say that
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There are patently obvious differences between how a manager publicly addresses himself to how he addresses his players. Does so much really need stating?

EDIT. For what it's worth, I am absolutely ambivalent towards David Moyes. In fact, I'm of the opinion (alongside many) that we regressed as a club under his stewardship. But that doesn't take away from the fact that everything he has said post-United was par for the course for any manager in his position. People only resent what he says because of his past with us. Without being overly brash, get over it!
 
.Rossi said:
He blames everyone, except himself, for his failings here and in Spain, yet he publicly says Januzaj needs to stop blaming everyone else for his failings
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I don't blame him.
 
Poor management today. Taking Defoe off when the momentum was on their side. Worse thing to do against a attacking team is to stack defenders stay huddled in your own half. Didn't work out too well for him, especially consider City looked blunt for the majority of the game.
 
Pep was worried to death after the equalizer. We've seen it time and time again in football; once the underdogs get their momentum like that, they have bigger chance to score another.

Nobody expects Sunderland to win so why dont take the risk and go for it when you get the chance?
 
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Him doing that stupid upper cut celebration when they equalised gave me nightmares of when we'd equalise against relegation fodder and he acted like we'd won the league. Then he removes any attacking threat and tries to play for the draw. He hasn't learned a single thing from us or Sociedad, but then i suppose his failures there weren't his fault.
 
1-1 with less than 10 minutes to go. City were not creating clear cut chances for god sake. And you responce by taking off your only striker for a defender/midfielder thus changes the shape of the team.

He deserves that loss for his cowardness for sure.
 
11101 said:
Him doing that stupid upper cut celebration when they equalised gave me nightmares of when we'd equalise against relegation fodder and he acted like we'd won the league. Then he removes any attacking threat and tries to play for the draw. He hasn't learned a single thing from us or Sociedad, but then i suppose his failures there weren't his fault.
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I believe his ability to shut out reality and refusal to adapt are some of his signature traits. I remember an Everton fan warning us about this when he was announced as our manager, which I dismissed as crazy talk.
 
Instead of playing for the win, he takes his goal scorer off and puts on a CB who manages to score an OG and lose the match. Typical Moyes.

No wonder he failed at United. He never believed in himself. Not even a hope.
 
prath92 said:
I'm Sure Sunderland would have taken an away point vs city. Nothing cowardly
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I have no issue when it's the last 5 minutes of the game it was just too premature, not the right decision in my opinion to put on a CB that early.Around the 86th minute or so if it looks like you'll be able to nab a point at city go for it, you waste time and you add a defender, but if it back fires you just took took off your only striker and you're down 2-1.
 
Popovic said:
I have no issue when it's the last 5 minutes of the game it was just too premature, not the right decision in my opinion to put on a CB that early.Around the 86th minute or so if it looks like you'll be able to nab a point at city go for it, you waste time and you add a defender, but if it back fires you just took took off your only striker and you're down 2-1.
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Wasn't the sub around 83rd minute?

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ricky-romeo said:
1-1 with less than 10 minutes to go. City were not creating clear cut chances for god sake. And you responce by taking off your only striker for a defender/midfielder thus changes the shape of the team.

He deserves that loss for his cowardness for sure.
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He's that kind of manager though, always has been. He's conservative, doesn't overreach. A team like Sunderland suits him. He'll probably do well there and I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps them up, but this is his level. Not his fault, just this is his level.

Shows how utterly blind we were in even considering him though, let alone hiring him.
 
Mr Smith said:
He's that kind of manager though, always has been. He's conservative, doesn't overreach. A team like Sunderland suits him. He'll probably do well there and I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps them up, but this is his level. Not his fault, just this is his level.

Shows how utterly blind we were in even considering him though, let alone hiring him.
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Pretty much sums him up i agree. Could had gotten 1 point from city away, that would have been a great start for them.

He will probably do well to keep sunderland up, and given a bit of luck and some time might turn them into a good midtable team one day, but that's his level as far as it goes.
 
11101 said:
Him doing that stupid upper cut celebration when they equalised gave me nightmares of when we'd equalise against relegation fodder and he acted like we'd won the league. Then he removes any attacking threat and tries to play for the draw. He hasn't learned a single thing from us or Sociedad, but then i suppose his failures there weren't his fault.
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I had exactly the same flashbacks. But I don't really harbour any ill will towards him, he can't change who he is. I think he'll be much more comfortable at Sunderland, where the main aim is to avoid relegation and consolidate any gains. His managerial approach simply suits that kind of club.
 
Sunderland has nothinf to lose. He should go for the throat instead of caving in.

3pts against city for sunderland in first gamr of the season is massive and game changer.
Managers take risks. This is the sort of match that defines their campaign and he fluffed out.
 
prath92 said:
I'm Sure Sunderland would have taken an away point vs city. Nothing cowardly
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It was cowardly. Not because 1-1 was a bad result to get but leaving on Defoe, who was causing City problems, woulr have helped get them the point they were looking for. It's not hindsight in case you say it, many people called it as soon as the sub was made that it will backfire. Most on here could see that inviting pressure was not a smart thing to do but apparently a professional football manager couldn't. The worst part is it didn't surprise people as Moyes is pretty spineless as a manager.
 
Classic Moyes. Sets up a team to not lose, then somehow manages to equalize after conceding one, and instead of sticking to what is working, shits a brick and fecks everything up. Poor Sunderland fans.
 
To be fair it was away match against probably the best team in England, if Moyes didn't get another defender in to defend the 1 points, then people would probably still blame him if City scored in the end anyway. Afterall it was Sunderland we are talking about and expectation are very different.
 
It was a completely valid substitution, although I do agree he should have done it a couple of minutes later, but a substitution that cannot be termed as idiotic. For a team that is struggling against relegation every year, the value of a single point can be immense at the end of the season. And I am pretty sure that had this substitution been made by any other manager, we would have said it was a decent substitution. Or had he not made the sub and they would have conceded, our reaction would have been " It was obvious they are going to go all out attack, just get in a defender for an attacker"
 
Sky1981 said:
Sunderland has nothinf to lose. He should go for the throat instead of caving in.

3pts against city for sunderland in first gamr of the season is massive and game changer.
Managers take risks. This is the sort of match that defines their campaign and he fluffed out.
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This 100%. The relegation battle is not kicked in yet, and the top teams are still rusty and yet to click in top form. Sunderland had the momentum after their equalizer, and City was there for taking, but Moyes chose to cowardly accept a point with City faded with. Ironically his sub won City the game. Oh well.

anant said:
It was a completely valid substitution, although I do agree he should have done it a couple of minutes later, but a substitution that cannot be termed as idiotic. For a team that is struggling against relegation every year, the value of a single point can be immense at the end of the season. And I am pretty sure that had this substitution been made by any other manager, we would have said it was a decent substitution. Or had he not made the sub and they would have conceded, our reaction would have been " It was obvious they are going to go all out attack, just get in a defender for an attacker"
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Not really. Depends on the type of attacker/ forward being pulled off. A slow, static attacker, with no better option from the bench, then yes: a reasonable sub. Defoe despite his age is very annoying for the defenders to defend as he works independently well with his run behind. Subbed him off for a defender/midfielder meaning self commit more pressure into his own team no top class defense with no pressure relieving routine.

Edit: And :wenger: at his post match which @Adisa brought up. Yeah try to defend that. This guy can't take responsibility.
 
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Just seen that they lost because a late Paddy McNair own goal.

Zero surprise.
 
He was complaining in his post match conference that the players dropped back.
What's he on about? That substitution was a message to the players to protect what they had. Of course they were going to drop back.
 
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Adisa said:
He was complaining in his post match conference that the players dropped back.
What's he on about? That substitution was a message to the players to protect what they have. Of course they were going to drop back.
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it was the players fault then
 
NK86 said:
It was cowardly. Not because 1-1 was a bad result to get but leaving on Defoe, who was causing City problems, woulr have helped get them the point they were looking for. It's not hindsight in case you say it, many people called it as soon as the sub was made that it will backfire. Most on here could see that inviting pressure was not a smart thing to do but apparently a professional football manager couldn't. The worst part is it didn't surprise people as Moyes is pretty spineless as a manager.
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Defoe is the only good forward they have. He is most and but he is also 33 and has to be managed well. So he was taken off after the goal to put on a defender and even then they had borini khazri and januzaj as attacking outlets. I doubt any other manager managing teams in the lower half of the league.
 
Adisa said:
He was complaining in his post match conference that the players dropped back.
What's he on about? That substitution was a message to the players to protect what they had. Of course they were going to drop back.
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When you take off your only focal point in attack and have nobody to relieve the pressure on the defence up front and replace him with an extra defender I wonder what they are naturally going to do?
 
fwiw I didn't agree with the sub but he's hardly the only manager to do that. I'm fairly sure Jose has done that a good few times as well. Some real bollocks on this thread.

.Rossi said:
Get over your love for Moyes :lol::rolleyes::lol:
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It's amazing how posting sensibly about Moyes makes you a Moyes lover these days.
 
What annoys me the most about Moyes is the lack of ambition. All of the money sloshing around the PL, look at the signings that teams like Boro are making, and then you see Sunderland turn out with the same shite that nearly got them relegated last year plus a couple of lads from our academy. Have they even added anyone else to their squad or has dithering Dave struck again?

I think I even saw an interview where he said they weren't good enough to attract decent players. It's that negative mindset that we saw here time and time again and that shows on the pitch with his teams. Christ, can you imagine him inspiring hope or enthusiasm in anyone? Man's a charisma vacuum.
 
ti vu said:
Not really. Depends on the type of attacker/ forward being pulled off. A slow, static attacker, with no better option from the bench, then yes: a reasonable sub. Defoe despite his age is very annoying for the defenders to defend as he works independently well with his run behind. Subbed him off for a defender/midfielder meaning self commit more pressure into his own team no top class defense with no pressure relieving routine.
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Name 1 manager from top half of the league, who if getting a point vs any of the big 4, will go for the win? Hell, I'm pretty sure most top half managers would do that as well.
 
Adisa said:
He was complaining in his post match conference that the players dropped back.
What's he on about? That substitution was a message to the players to protect what they had. Of course they were going to drop back.
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Of course. Did you expect the Shar Pei to somehow ever take any responsibility for his own failings? If they somehow would have scraped the draw then it would all have been due to his tactical changes, when it backfires it is because the players fail to play like he wants. We saw it numerous times when he managed us, throwing players and the team under the bus was natural for him.
 
It's not so much that playing for the draw was the wrong choice, more that the way he went about it was just really, really stupid. Taking off your focal point and best (only) escape option and then being surprised when your players drop deep is just silly. The outcome was obvious to all as soon as the substitution was made.
 
anant said:
Name 1 manager from top half of the league, who if getting a point vs any of the big 4, will go for the win? Hell, I'm pretty sure most top half managers would do that as well.
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Billic vs us in that game (we arguably was top 4 when 2-1 up). West Ham equalized, then took the momentum and killed our CL football hope.

Swansea when we were top of the league. Equalized and won 2-1 starting our down fall.

Totenham vs Newcastle in white Hart Lane.

West Brom home vs Arsenal last season. Equalized in 80th plus minute then went for the throat and won the game.

Not counting those unsuccessful coup...
 
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