Global economy - Future stock market collapse..

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-stocks-boj-idUSKCN10X29O?il=0

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With foreign investors largely staying away, disappointed at the lack of progress in Japan's structural reforms, the BOJ is almost sure to be the biggest buyer on the Tokyo Stock Exchange for the foreseeable future.

"The market is driven completely by the BOJ's buying rather than views on each companies' earnings," said a fund manager at a Japanese asset management firm.
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I am just waiting for people to complain about market failure again to justify even more government intervention.
 
Do you worry? I worry... where does the monetary expansion end?

Not really. I spend most of my money one way or the other (consume+ real-estate) and I don´t have children. So I just can´t lose a whole lot. If things go tits up in one country, I´ll work somewhere else. Personally I won´t struggle and my close relatives will be okay as well.

In the end the monetary explosion will end in the biggest economic crisis in modern history; given the creativity of politicians and central bankers, they might be able to delay it for quite some time. They were able to stop the deleveraging after 08/09, so I certainly won´t underestimate their commitment to their ideas. For the time being, we´ll have to settle for smaller growth rates (or no growth rates at all) in most western countries. The average joe will suffer, but they were also tricked into believing that we need more cheap money and more government spending. So whenever things fail, they´ll ask for more government intervention.
 
Not really. I spend most of my money one way or the other (consume+ real-estate) and I don´t have children. So I just can´t lose a whole lot. If things go tits up in one country, I´ll work somewhere else. Personally I won´t struggle and my close relatives will be okay as well.

In the end the monetary explosion will end in the biggest economic crisis in modern history; given the creativity of politicians and central bankers, they might be able to delay it for quite some time. They were able to stop the deleveraging after 08/09, so I certainly won´t underestimate their commitment to their ideas. For the time being, we´ll have to settle for smaller growth rates (or no growth rates at all) in most western countries. The average joe will suffer, but they were also tricked into believing that we need more cheap money and more government spending. So whenever things fail, they´ll ask for more government intervention.

But as we've seen before, the failure won't be contained to any one or any group of countries. Especially because they're all engaged in the same policy, just to different degrees. And then just the social and geopolitical consequences of a major economic crisis that goes uncontained.
 
But as we've seen before, the failure won't be contained to any one or any group of countries. Especially because they're all engaged in the same policy, just to different degrees. And then just the social and geopolitical consequences of a major economic crisis that goes uncontained.

Yes, but it won´t affect everyone equally. Someone who works in construction will suffer a lot more than someone from silicon valley. (Small) savers, middleclass families, small businesses and the lower middle class are getting thrown infront of the bus. They are already forced to pick up the tab, because they struggle to get a decent job and can´t save enough money for their retirement. I genuinly think that the current policy is absolutely devastating and horrendous. I am just fortunate enough that I´ll be able to avoid the worst. I am also not really worried about the political fallout afterwards; if anything I am more worried about the current trend. The whole thing is such a complex and slow process, that most people are completly confused about the causation. Step by step people feel more economic pain (just look at the youth unemployment in southern europe) and blame the wrong groups/people for that development.
The next elections in Italy and France will be quite interesting. I hope we can avoid the FN, but I am secretly rooting for the M5S (who are polling quite well and Renzi might be unemployed if the loses his referendum in a couple of month). Their election could be a healthy wake-up call for Europe.
The US, all the horror about Trump aside, is still in a much better position, so you shouldn´t be too worried.
 
Yes, but it won´t affect everyone equally. Someone who works in construction will suffer a lot more than someone from silicon valley. (Small) savers, middleclass families, small businesses and the lower middle class are getting thrown infront of the bus. They are already forced to pick up the tab, because they struggle to get a decent job and can´t save enough money for their retirement. I genuinly think that the current policy is absolutely devastating and horrendous. I am just fortunate enough that I´ll be able to avoid the worst. I am also not really worried about the political fallout afterwards; if anything I am more worried about the current trend. The whole thing is such a complex and slow process, that most people are completly confused about the causation. Step by step people feel more economic pain (just look at the youth unemployment in southern europe) and blame the wrong groups/people for that development.
The next elections in Italy and France will be quite interesting. I hope we can avoid the FN, but I am secretly rooting for the M5S (who are polling quite well and Renzi might be unemployed if the loses his referendum in a couple of month). Their election could be a healthy wake-up call for Europe.
The US, all the horror about Trump aside, is still in a much better position, so you shouldn´t be too worried.

But to the extent that any society deteriorates, even if any individual can insulate himself from it, it gets closer to what I dislike about living in Brazil: you can be a millionaire, but that only insulates you from violence as much as a bulletproof car and high walls can, for example. I'm just more worried about the political consequences too. I think we might have gotten too used to the stability of the past 70 years or so, and that its more fragile than we imagine.
 
But to the extent that any society deteriorates, even if any individual can insulate himself from it, it gets closer to what I dislike about living in Brazil: you can be a millionaire, but that only insulates you from violence as much as a bulletproof car and high walls can, for example. I'm just more worried about the political consequences too. I think we might have gotten too used to the stability of the past 70 years or so, and that its more fragile than we imagine.
Time to move out from the city and buy a gun :lol: most of the crime would be in the city anyway.
 
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51846

Trends in Family Wealth, 1989 to 2013

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The distribution of wealth among the nation’s families was more unequal in 2013 than it had been in 1989. For instance, the difference in wealth held by families at the 90th percentile and the wealth of those in the middle widened from $532,000 to $861,000 over the period (in 2013 dollars). The share of wealth held by families in the top 10 percent of the wealth distribution increased from 67 percent to 76 percent, whereas the share of wealth held by families in the bottom half of the distribution declined from 3 percent to 1 percent.

Two developments contributed to the change in the distribution of wealth: Compared with families in the top half of the distribution, families in the bottom half experienced disproportionately slower growth in wealth between 1989 and 2007, and they had a disproportionately larger decline in wealth after the recession of 2007 to 2009.

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Now even some offices of the US government itself acknowledge, that the whole talk about recovery since the financial crisis is pretty much bullshit. But hey “Obama saved the economy”. Everything is fine, nothing to see here.
 
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/51846



Now even some offices of the US government itself acknowledge, that the whole talk about recovery since the financial crisis is pretty much bullshit. But hey “Obama saved the economy”. Everything is fine, nothing to see here.
Obamas biggest achievement is that he convinced a whole group of people (poor people and blacks mainly) that he was going to be different than other politicians and actually help them out. Expanding welfare doesn't help anybody.
 
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-federal-reserve-needs-new-thinking-1472076212

The author, Kevin Warsh, should know what he is talking about
The Federal Reserve Needs New Thinking
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Two major obstacles must be overcome: groupthink within the academic economics guild, and the reluctance of central bankers to cede their new power.
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The Fed often treats financial markets as a beast to be tamed, a cub to be coddled or a market to be manipulated. It appears in thrall to financial markets, and financial markets are in thrall to the Fed, but only one will get the last word. A simple, troubling fact: From the beginning of 2008 to the present, more than half of the increase in the value of the S&P 500 occurred on the day of Federal Open Market Committee decisions.
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With the enactment of DoddFrank, the Fed claims the mantle of reform. It now micromanages big banks and effectively caps their rate of return. The biggest banks’ growth in market share corresponds to that of their principal regulator. They are joint-venture partners with the Fed, serving as quasipublic utilities. As the dispenser of fault and favor, the Fed is contributing to the public perception of an unfair, inequitable economic system. Real reform this is not.
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The conduct of monetary policy in recent years has been deeply flawed. U.S. economic growth lags prior recoveries, falling short of forecasts and deteriorating in the most recent quarters. This week in Jackson Hole, Wyo., the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City hosts the world’s leading central bankers and academics to consider monetary reform. The task is timely and consequential, but the Fed needs a broader reform agenda.

Policy makers around the world neither predicted nor can adequately explain the reasons for current inflation readings below their targets. So it is puzzling that so many academics are pushing to raise the current 2% inflation target to a higher target of 3% or 4%. In the telling of the economics guild, the Fed’s leaders should descend from the Grand Tetons with supreme assurance that their latest monetary-policy invention will remedy the economy’s ills.

The Fed’s leaders shouldn’t take the bait. Raising the inflation target is a bad idea being considered at the wrong time for the wrong reasons.

A new inflation target would undermine the Fed’s commitment to any policy framework. It would please the denizens of Wall Street who pine for still-looser Fed policy. And households would be understandably miffed to receive a new lecture on unconventional monetary policy—this one on the benefits of higher prices.

A change in inflation targets would also add to the growing list of excuses that rationalize the economic malaise: the persistent headwinds from the crisis of the prior decade, the high-sounding slogan of “secular stagnation” and the convenient recent alibi of Brexit.

A numeric change in the inflation target isn’t real reform. It serves more as subterfuge to distract from monetary, regulatory and fiscal errors. A robust reform agenda requires a more rigorous review of recent policy choices and significant changes in the Fed’s tools, strategies, communications and governance.

Two major obstacles must be overcome: groupthink within the academic economics guild, and the reluctance of central bankers to cede their new power.

First, the economics guild pushed ill-considered new dogmas into the mainstream of monetary policy. The Fed’s mantra of datadependence causes erratic policy lurches in response to noisy data. Its medium-term policy objectives are at odds with its compulsion to keep asset prices elevated. Its inflation objectives are far more precise than the residual measurement error. Its output-gap economic models are troublingly unreliable.

The Fed seeks to fix interest rates and control foreign-exchange rates simultaneously—an impossible task with the free flow of capital. Its “forward guidance,” promising low interest rates well into the future, offers ambiguity in the name of clarity. It licenses a cacophony of communications in the name of transparency. And it expresses grave concern about income inequality while refusing to acknowledge that its policies unfairly increased asset inequality.

The Fed often treats financial markets as a beast to be tamed, a cub to be coddled or a market to be manipulated. It appears in thrall to financial markets, and financial markets are in thrall to the Fed, but only one will get the last word. A simple, troubling fact: From the beginning of 2008 to the present, more than half of the increase in the value of the S&P 500 occurred on the day of Federal Open Market Committee decisions.

The groupthink gathers adherents even as its successes become harder to find. The guild tightens its grip when it should open its mind to new data sources, new analytics, new economic models, new communication strategies and a new paradigm for policy.

The second obstacle to real reform is no less challenging. Real reform should reverse the trend that makes the Fed a general-purpose agency of government. Many guild members believe that central bankers—nonpartisan, high-minded experts—are particularly well-suited to expand their policy remit. They fail to recognize that central-bank power is permissible in a democracy only when its scope is limited, its track record strong and its accountability assured.

The Fed is suffering from a marked downturn in public support. Citizens are rightly concerned about the concentration of economic power at the central bank. Long after the financial crisis, the Fed holds trillions of dollars of assets that would otherwise be in pri- vate hands. And it appears to make monetary policy with the purpose of managing financial asset prices, including bolstering the share prices of public companies.

With the enactment of DoddFrank, the Fed claims the mantle of reform. It now micromanages big banks and effectively caps their rate of return. The biggest banks’ growth in market share corresponds to that of their principal regulator. They are joint-venture partners with the Fed, serving as quasipublic utilities. As the dispenser of fault and favor, the Fed is contributing to the public perception of an unfair, inequitable economic system. Real reform this is not.

Most gathered in Jackson Hole will judge that the Fed’s aggressive actions are necessary and wise. Even if that were true, the Fed finds itself in an increasingly untenable position. Congress will tag the Fed for its failures, and the public will assail the Fed for favoritism for its ostensible successes.

In the best of circumstances, the U.S. economy will accelerate to “escape velocity.” In that event the Fed might get the benefit of the public doubt.

If, as is more likely, the economy is closer to recession than resurgence, the Fed is poorly positioned to respond with force, efficacy and credibility. The Fed is vulnerable. Its recent centennial as our nation’s central bank shouldn’t be confused with its permanent acceptance in the American political system.

Its models are unreliable, its policies erratic and its guidance confusing. It is also politically vulnerable.
 
Smash. But I still expect no changes out of Jackson Hole. Buy the S&P! (not actual investment advice)
 
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Is that a ...Excel graph. My god. This paper is meaningless :lol:
 
Today the financial service committee of the USA congress discusses the Financial CHOICE Act 2016. It would change the regulatory approach of banks and start to address some of the flaws of Dodd-Frank. As flawed as this new bill is, it would be a very important step in the right direction. The left is already running riot, but that was expected. It won´t pass anytime soon, but it is good to see, that at least some people move (very slowly) in the right direction. Passing such a law in the USA would also pressure other countries to look into it.
 
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2153748-dr-marc-faber-dow-could-go-to-100000/

Marc Fabers angry interviews are always fun.

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On a different note: Monsanto accepted Bayer´s offer for about $62bn. Bayer will be the biggest agro-chemical company in the world. About 3/4 will be paid by credit (BoA + credit suiss), the rest by issuing new shares. Difficult to see that this deal would happen if issuing debt wouldn´t be artificially cheap.
 
Today the financial service committee of the USA congress discusses the Financial CHOICE Act 2016. It would change the regulatory approach of banks and start to address some of the flaws of Dodd-Frank. As flawed as this new bill is, it would be a very important step in the right direction. The left is already running riot, but that was expected. It won´t pass anytime soon, but it is good to see, that at least some people move (very slowly) in the right direction. Passing such a law in the USA would also pressure other countries to look into it.

Yeah, literally.

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/09/financial-choice-act/
 
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2153748-dr-marc-faber-dow-could-go-to-100000/

Marc Fabers angry interviews are always fun.

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On a different note: Monsanto accepted Bayer´s offer for about $62bn. Bayer will be the biggest agro-chemical company in the world. About 3/4 will be paid by credit (BoA + credit suiss), the rest by issuing new shares. Difficult to see that this deal would happen if issuing debt wouldn´t be artificially cheap.

Monsanto gang up with Bayer? Whoo, add Goldman Sachs in there as well and they would make a great company which a movie villain owns. Evil Inc from Mr-Robot comes to mind.
 
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2153748-dr-marc-faber-dow-could-go-to-100000/

Marc Fabers angry interviews are always fun.

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On a different note: Monsanto accepted Bayer´s offer for about $62bn. Bayer will be the biggest agro-chemical company in the world. About 3/4 will be paid by credit (BoA + credit suiss), the rest by issuing new shares. Difficult to see that this deal would happen if issuing debt wouldn´t be artificially cheap.

An equity analyst's first question when a deal is announced is "when is it accretive to earnings?", but its become irrelevant in recent times because borrowing at 4% you'd have to overpay insanely for it not to be (or be buying a loss-making business).
 
Today the financial service committee of the USA congress discusses the Financial CHOICE Act 2016. It would change the regulatory approach of banks and start to address some of the flaws of Dodd-Frank. As flawed as this new bill is, it would be a very important step in the right direction. The left is already running riot, but that was expected. It won´t pass anytime soon, but it is good to see, that at least some people move (very slowly) in the right direction. Passing such a law in the USA would also pressure other countries to look into it.

Please... It makes Dodd-Frank useless in many ways, and reestablishes the long term trend of deregulation that has prevalent since the 1980's. It sets the US and the World economy on a path to another 2008, and every person not working in the financial industry will pay for it. The CHOICE Act is a leap into the wrong direction, luckily the rest of the world won't follow suit even if lobbyist in Washington manage to push this through.
 
Monsanto gang up with Bayer? Whoo, add Goldman Sachs in there as well and they would make a great company which a movie villain owns. Evil Inc from Mr-Robot comes to mind.

The good thing about GS being the boogeyman of choice is that everyone else gets to fly under the radar :p
 
The good thing about GS being the boogeyman of choice is that everyone else gets to fly under the radar :p

Yeah, they are sort of the go to guys when you want to describe an evil financial institution. Even though Citibank, MLI and the rest of them are no better.

That a lot of their former employees works for the government also adds fuel to the fire, giving birth to names like Government Sachs etc.
 
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2153748-dr-marc-faber-dow-could-go-to-100000/

Marc Fabers angry interviews are always fun.

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On a different note: Monsanto accepted Bayer´s offer for about $62bn. Bayer will be the biggest agro-chemical company in the world. About 3/4 will be paid by credit (BoA + credit suiss), the rest by issuing new shares. Difficult to see that this deal would happen if issuing debt wouldn´t be artificially cheap.
Have Bayer bought out Monsanto?
 
Monsanto gang up with Bayer? Whoo, add Goldman Sachs in there as well and they would make a great company which a movie villain owns. Evil Inc from Mr-Robot comes to mind.

They don´t gang up. They get taken over. :) Another mega-corporation subsidised by small savers. It is a thing of beauty, how stupid people are.

Please... It makes Dodd-Frank useless in many ways, and reestablishes the long term trend of deregulation that has prevalent since the 1980's. It sets the US and the World economy on a path to another 2008, and every person not working in the financial industry will pay for it. The CHOICE Act is a leap into the wrong direction, luckily the rest of the world won't follow suit even if lobbyist in Washington manage to push this through.

Dodd-Frank is useless and won´t prevent another "2008". It is the governments approach to micro-manage something, that it clearly doesn´t understand. But "fortunately" everyone get another bailout when necessary. The left loves to bailout failing business, so anything that might challenge this is unacceptable. The left also loves to vilify big business just to pass laws, that give them preferential treatment and discriminates against smaller companies.
I am not pretending that the Financial Choice Act doesn´t also do a couple of rather nasty things, that deserve to get opposed. Parts of the idea are very good so. Forcing banks to reduce their leverage ratios would do more for financial stability than all these crazy ideas in Dodd-Frank, that will ultimately fail. That said, most governments are very conflicted about reducing the leverage ratios of banks, because it would go against their "stimulate the economy" crap.
 
Dodd-Frank is useless and won´t prevent another "2008". It is the governments approach to micro-manage something, that it clearly doesn´t understand. But "fortunately" everyone get another bailout when necessary. The left loves to bailout failing business, so anything that might challenge this is unacceptable. The left also loves to vilify big business just to pass laws, that give them preferential treatment and discriminates against smaller companies.
I am not pretending that the Financial Choice Act doesn´t also do a couple of rather nasty things, that deserve to get opposed. Parts of the idea are very good so. Forcing banks to reduce their leverage ratios would do more for financial stability than all these crazy ideas in Dodd-Frank, that will ultimately fail. That said, most governments are very conflicted about reducing the leverage ratios of banks, because it would go against their "stimulate the economy" crap.
The Bill states that any bank that qualifies (Maintains more than 10% leverage ratio and has CAMEL rating 1 or 2) is exempt from a lot of very meaningful regulation.
http://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/bills-114hr5983ih.pdf
A few examples of the laws these institutions would now be exempt from:
1) Any Federal law, rule, or regulation addressing capital or liquidity requirements or standards.
2) Any Federal law, rule, or regulation that permits an appropriate Federal banking agency to object to a capital distribution.
3) Any consideration by an appropriate Federal banking agency of the following: (A) Any risk the qualifying banking organization may pose to ‘‘the stability of the financial system of the United States’’, under section 22 5(c)(2) of the Bank Holding Company Act of 23 1956.

Those 3 exemptions are enough to create another 2008 alone (Page 17. Lines 9-17). And that is only a fraction of the "deregulation" that is being proposed in this bill.
 
The Bill states that any bank that qualifies (Maintains more than 10% leverage ratio and has CAMEL rating 1 or 2) is exempt from a lot of very meaningful regulation.
http://financialservices.house.gov/uploadedfiles/bills-114hr5983ih.pdf
A few examples of the laws these institutions would now be exempt from:
1) Any Federal law, rule, or regulation addressing capital or liquidity requirements or standards.
2) Any Federal law, rule, or regulation that permits an appropriate Federal banking agency to object to a capital distribution.
3) Any consideration by an appropriate Federal banking agency of the following: (A) Any risk the qualifying banking organization may pose to ‘‘the stability of the financial system of the United States’’, under section 22 5(c)(2) of the Bank Holding Company Act of 23 1956.

Those 3 exemptions are enough to create another 2008 alone (Page 17. Lines 9-17). And that is only a fraction of the "deregulation" that is being proposed in this bill.

Replacing failed micro-management by much simpler but higher capital requirements is the whole point about it. But you are right as we all know much higher leverage ratios are better and help to create "financial stability". :drool:
Well. Just don´t complain about big banks, bailouts or "market failure".
 
Replacing failed micro-management by much simpler but higher capital requirements is the whole point about it. But you are right as we all know much higher leverage ratios are better and help to create "financial stability". :drool:
Well. Just don´t complain about big banks, bailouts or "market failure".
Regulating banks with a balance sheet larger than many countries GDP isn't exactly what I would call micro-management. I really can't follow what you are trying to imply after that. Financial stability is improved if banks aren't allowed to gamble deposits away though. Financial stability is also improved if faltering banks can be prohibited from paying out their last cash to shareholders before folding on its debts.

You don't seriously believe this bill will keep any future government from bailing out another bank, if it deems that necessary, do you? Of course they will. And this bill makes it a) more likely to become necessary and b) more expensive when necessary.
 
Regulating banks with a balance sheet larger than many countries GDP isn't exactly what I would call micro-management. I really can't follow what you are trying to imply after that. Financial stability is improved if banks aren't allowed to gamble deposits away though. Financial stability is also improved if faltering banks can be prohibited from paying out their last cash to shareholders before folding on its debts.

You don't seriously believe this bill will keep any future government from bailing out another bank, if it deems that necessary, do you? Of course they will. And this bill makes it a) more likely to become necessary and b) more expensive when necessary.

I am not entirely sure in how much depth/detail/complexity I should answer, because I don´t know your background. I try to start somewhere so we can see where we end up.


#1) Banks with lower leverage ratios are more stable

#2) currently hardly any bank has 10%+ ratios. In fact most banks havn´t even half of that. On average the financial system is still ridiculously over-leveraged. (deutsche bank has probably something between 1%-2,5% core capital = time-bomb)

#3) The banks complained about Basel1 and lobbied hard against it. Their claim was that it was not flexible enough, ignores the different risks of different investments and so on.

#4) In the end we ended up with much lower capital requirements in a much more "flexible" system.

#5) After the banking crisis in 08 (and the additional legislation) the leverage ratio decreased only mildly and the consequence is that the whole system is still incredible fragile.

#6) "micro-management": the logic of the government is, that additional oversight makes up for the lack solid capital requirements. The legislator thinks government agencies are able to assess and manage the risk of the individual banks (e.g. they need to approve their risk-management models; accounting standards; come up with plans how to handle bankruptcies/shocks) sufficiently well, so they can rein in, before the next crisis emerges.

#7) From bottom to top this logic is very problematic. I don´t believe that these agencies can do this job. It is too complex, these agencies are just as ignorant as most bankers and they are also extremely biased (why can a bank buy a Greek government bond with (almost) 0% equity?:confused::lol:). Before 08 the USA alone (both federal and state level) had about 115 agencies who should have done this job, but non of them, including the FED, saw the crisis coming. Not even weeks before it hit. They were completely blind-sided.

#8) The consequence of the current approach is that the costs to comply with regulation is increasing a lot, which is incredibly discriminatory against smaller banks. Since 08 we see that big banks capture additional market share on the expanse of smaller banks

#9) bigger banks ("systemic relevant") also have the benefit of getting bailed out, while smaller ones don´t get the same treatment. The moral hazard is unsustainable.

#10) This "micro-management" approach has also other disadvantages when it comes to capital allocation: One very problematic trend is that venture-capital or loans for SME got a lot tighter while these agencies seem to be fine when money is redirected to the most irresponsible and indebted countries ever (e.g. half of europe). It makes no sense at all.

#11) even if we assume the most beneficial view on the situation (=> the government is not heavily influenced by "big business), this approach of micromanaging the market to avoid another crisis will fail. We see asset bubbles all over the world and the same mistakes of the past are repeated in almost exactly the same way. The government has a terrible track record of forecasting (and avoiding) economic crisis and their own incentives are sadly very problematic anyway. I could point to a dozens of examples, where the oversight agencies are failing at the moment, yet for some reason people still trust them.

#12) The only way to create more financial stability (in the current framework) is to get rid of most of the micro-management, but force much higher capital requirements on banks. Is 10% enough? No, but it would be a quantum leap in the right direction. Additionally the moral hazard has to end. Governments have to credibly commit to a "no-bailouts" policy.
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#13) Both parties contributed to the current situation. I won´t defend the GOP, because they are terrible. Most of what is said about them ("in the pockets of their donors") is simply true. The same goes for the Dems. They support a system, where big banks are getting preferential treatment ("to big to jail"; bailouts), while the tax-payer has to pay for it. They love to slate wall-street but in reality they are part of the problem; partly due to ignorance and party due to being captured by the same special interests. The fringes of both parties try to fight this, but usually they get ignored. A good example is this bill that is sponsored by Warren (D-Mass) and Vitter (R-LA): It won´t pass, because there is a strong pro-bail-out-consensus between both parties and in the administration.

#14) the public debate about the issue is missing the point completely, because it is not "good dems vs evil GOP". The idea that Dott-Frank solved the problem of TBTF is ridiculous. People who believe that either don´t know enough about it or are complete and utter morons. Additionally Obama was happy to bail them out and Holder was happy to settle with them. If Eric Holder would have been a Rep, the outrage about his actions would have known no end. Yet, because people are partisan in nature, centre left-wing democrats are able to ignore all of that as long as "their guy" is doing it. The amount of of hypocrisy is painful.

#15) I am only defending the core-concept of the Financial Choice Act and not additional sections that might be very harmful.
 
Ok i'll do this point for point because I actually agree to most of what you said, however draw slightly different conclusions.

#1) Banks with lower leverage ratios are more stable
I agree.
#2) currently hardly any bank has 10%+ ratios. In fact most banks havn´t even half of that. On average the financial system is still ridiculously over-leveraged. (deutsche bank has probably something between 1%-2,5% core capital = time-bomb)
Again I agree, and yes deutsche bank is in deep trouble.
#3) The banks complained about Basel1 and lobbied hard against it. Their claim was that it was not flexible enough, ignores the different risks of different investments and so on.
Of course they lobbyied against it, the less risk they can take the less money they can make...
#4) In the end we ended up with much lower capital requirements in a much more "flexible" system.
I'm not defending the system as it is, or was. I would very much prefer higher capital requirements too, just not at the cost of oversight.
#5) After the banking crisis in 08 (and the additional legislation) the leverage ratio decreased only mildly and the consequence is that the whole system is still incredible fragile.
I agree again.
#6) "micro-management": the logic of the government is, that additional oversight makes up for the lack solid capital requirements. The legislator thinks government agencies are able to assess and manage the risk of the individual banks (e.g. they need to approve their risk-management models; accounting standards; come up with plans how to handle bankruptcies/shocks) sufficiently well, so they can rein in, before the next crisis emerges.
Again I agree that oversight does not make up for a lack of capital requirements. However I don't think that capital requirements make up for a lack of oversight either.
#7) From bottom to top this logic is very problematic. I don´t believe that these agencies can do this job. It is too complex, these agencies are just as ignorant as most bankers and they are also extremely biased (why can a bank buy a Greek government bond with (almost) 0% equity?:confused::lol:). Before 08 the USA alone (both federal and state level) had about 115 agencies who should have done this job, but non of them, including the FED, saw the crisis coming. Not even weeks before it hit. They were completely blind-sided.
I don't agree with this at all. We need oversight for the most important sector of the economy and I think useful oversight is within the various governments means if they actually want to achieve it. The financial system is not as complicated as many will have you believe, and there are plenty of smart people on this planet. Surely some will take a good paying government job, no?
#8) The consequence of the current approach is that the costs to comply with regulation is increasing a lot, which is incredibly discriminatory against smaller banks. Since 08 we see that big banks capture additional market share on the expanse of smaller banks
I don't agree with the first part. It's the banks job to keep record of all it's various interests anyway, and in this day and age it should be possible to set up a system where banks can comply with the regulation with relative ease. Again i'm not necessarily saying it's anywhere near perfect as it is, but the aim has to be to improve it, not throw it out entirely. The second part, yes, again I agree.
#9) bigger banks ("systemic relevant") also have the benefit of getting bailed out, while smaller ones don´t get the same treatment. The moral hazard is unsustainable.
Yes this is true again, however we bail out banks when it is necessary for everybody else, not for the banks sake. I also wish we had a more fragmented and varied banking sector across the western world, however I don't see how this bill would steer the "system" into that direction.
#10) This "micro-management" approach has also other disadvantages when it comes to capital allocation: One very problematic trend is that venture-capital or loans for SME got a lot tighter while these agencies seem to be fine when money is redirected to the most irresponsible and indebted countries ever (e.g. half of europe). It makes no sense at all.
That is over the top and uncalled for. Compared to the rest of the world (outside NA and Oceania) Europe is still the wealthiest continent per capita. We're doing bad in adding to that wealth and have social problems because of that, that doesn't change the fact that if you lend money to these countries, you will get it back. Which isn't true for most venture-capital. The risk of SME loans is very different dependent on the business you're running. Maybe the risk assesment towards that category has to be adjusted, I don't know whether that is the case.
#11) even if we assume the most beneficial view on the situation (=> the government is not heavily influenced by "big business), this approach of micromanaging the market to avoid another crisis will fail. We see asset bubbles all over the world and the same mistakes of the past are repeated in almost exactly the same way. The government has a terrible track record of forecasting (and avoiding) economic crisis and their own incentives are sadly very problematic anyway. I could point to a dozens of examples, where the oversight agencies are failing at the moment, yet for some reason people still trust them.
Obviously it will fail. Can we agree that no matter the policy, there will always be a next economic crises? However again I belief it is worth trying to minimize the outfall of this next crises, and I think the regulation in dodd-frank was a step into the right direction. My ideal (best not perfect) solution would be a return to the pre-1980's state of banking with a strict separation between investment and consumer banking. Now I know that that is an unrealistic goal without a major shift in international politics (It would have to be led by the US and I can't see them doing that for a long time), hence I think that the strictest possible regulation of the investment side will at least lessen the damage the next time around. Lets be honest, the regulation introduced after 08 isn't very strict at all.
#12) The only way to create more financial stability (in the current framework) is to get rid of most of the micro-management, but force much higher capital requirements on banks. Is 10% enough? No, but it would be a quantum leap in the right direction. Additionally the moral hazard has to end. Governments have to credibly commit to a "no-bailouts" policy.
Again I agree that higher capital requirements would help a lot, but don't see how stopping regulation would help at all. I refuse to accept the term micro-management to describe some very lax regulation. There can't be a credibly commitment to "no-bailouts", because we're all fecked if we don't bail em out. We need to limit their action before the inevitable bail-out happens, so it can at least be limited.

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#13) Both parties contributed to the current situation. I won´t defend the GOP, because they are terrible. Most of what is said about them ("in the pockets of their donors") is simply true. The same goes for the Dems. They support a system, where big banks are getting preferential treatment ("to big to jail"; bailouts), while the tax-payer has to pay for it. They love to slate wall-street but in reality they are part of the problem; partly due to ignorance and party due to being captured by the same special interests. The fringes of both parties try to fight this, but usually they get ignored. A good example is this bill that is sponsored by Warren (D-Mass) and Vitter (R-LA): It won´t pass, because there is a strong pro-bail-out-consensus between both parties and in the administration.
Yeah both parties contributed to the dismantling of the banking act of 1933. There's no use in blaming the GOP on this one, they're both guilty.
#14) the public debate about the issue is missing the point completely, because it is not "good dems vs evil GOP". The idea that Dott-Frank solved the problem of TBTF is ridiculous. People who believe that either don´t know enough about it or are complete and utter morons. Additionally Obama was happy to bail them out and Holder was happy to settle with them. If Eric Holder would have been a Rep, the outrage about his actions would have known no end. Yet, because people are partisan in nature, centre left-wing democrats are able to ignore all of that as long as "their guy" is doing it. The amount of of hypocrisy is painful.
I agree that we should treat this banks completely different once they needed to be bailed out and agree that the Obama administration let them of the hook way too easy.
#15) I am only defending the core-concept of the Financial Choice Act and not additional sections that might be very harmful.
Again, i'm all for increasing capital requirements, just not at the costs this act stipulates. (Basically refraining from any federal regulation).
 
Anyone with a banking background who can give me a brief synopsis on what regulations there were pre 2008 in relation to governing Risk Appetite?
 
good response.

Again I agree that oversight does not make up for a lack of capital requirements. However I don't think that capital requirements make up for a lack of oversight either.

I think some oversight is necessary and warranted. Oversight that creates transparency makes imo a lot of sense. That said all the oversight in the past failed and they will fail similarly in the future.

I don't agree with this at all. We need oversight for the most important sector of the economy and I think useful oversight is within the various governments means if they actually want to achieve it. The financial system is not as complicated as many will have you believe, and there are plenty of smart people on this planet. Surely some will take a good paying government job, no?

I am very well aware how most financial businesses work and I am well aware of how regulation works. Almost every line of law has unintended consequences, which makes the issue extremely complex. It is unavoidable regardless of how smart you are. Thats why all these rules are hundreds of pages long and create an absurd amount of commentary.

I don't agree with the first part. It's the banks job to keep record of all it's various interests anyway, and in this day and age it should be possible to set up a system where banks can comply with the regulation with relative ease. Again i'm not necessarily saying it's anywhere near perfect as it is, but the aim has to be to improve it, not throw it out entirely. The second part, yes, again I agree.

No they can´t. That is clearly not true. It is extremely expansive and even the FED itself acknowledges this. It would make a lot of sense of smaller banks to go down the route of smaller leverage rates with simpler risk models (simpler doesnt mean worse), but this is de-facto impossible at the moment.

Yes this is true again, however we bail out banks when it is necessary for everybody else, not for the banks sake. I also wish we had a more fragmented and varied banking sector across the western world, however I don't see how this bill would steer the "system" into that direction.
more regulation = more centralised banking system with few mega banks.

That is over the top and uncalled for. Compared to the rest of the world (outside NA and Oceania) Europe is still the wealthiest continent per capita. We're doing bad in adding to that wealth and have social problems because of that, that doesn't change the fact that if you lend money to these countries, you will get it back. Which isn't true for most venture-capital. The risk of SME loans is very different dependent on the business you're running. Maybe the risk assesment towards that category has to be adjusted, I don't know whether that is the case.

No it is not. In a free market many European countries would be broke. They are getting kept alive arbitrarily by central banks, fiscal policy and regulation. The idea that Greece could access a free capital market is laughable. Countries like Spain or Italy would have to pay significantly higher rates. Again, the idea that a bank needs NO own capital when buying a Greek bond (=apparently there is no risk when you buy a Greek government bond) violates every economic logic. It is impossible to justify the current approach of risk weights and it is clearly driven by political (not economical) logic. Governments bonds 0%? residential mortgage loans 50%?. Not a surprise that we see/saw massive bubbles in both asset classes. But even in principle it is a faulty logic to try it. You can evaluate investment in these general categories. It makes no sense.

Obviously it will fail. Can we agree that no matter the policy, there will always be a next economic crises? However again I belief it is worth trying to minimize the outfall of this next crises, and I think the regulation in dodd-frank was a step into the right direction. My ideal (best not perfect) solution would be a return to the pre-1980's state of banking with a strict separation between investment and consumer banking. Now I know that that is an unrealistic goal without a major shift in international politics (It would have to be led by the US and I can't see them doing that for a long time), hence I think that the strictest possible regulation of the investment side will at least lessen the damage the next time around. Lets be honest, the regulation introduced after 08 isn't very strict at all.

There are different kind of economic crisis that have very different causes. The government and its attempts to manage the economy is one of the major reasons for many crisis. A good start to minimize their negative consequences, would be to stop creating bubbles. The government played major roles in almost every economic crisis in the last 20 years. Yet for some reason bankers get blamed for everything (not that they don´t deserve a far share of blame; our current finance system itself is out of control; the transaction costs are way too high for its economic contribution, which is primarily possible, because the average joe is an idiot, but that is a completely different discussion).
Generally speaking I am not against splitting investment and consumer banking. It wouldn´t have stopped 08 so, despite that being often claimed.

Again I agree that higher capital requirements would help a lot, but don't see how stopping regulation would help at all. I refuse to accept the term micro-management to describe some very lax regulation. There can't be a credibly commitment to "no-bailouts", because we're all fecked if we don't bail em out. We need to limit their action before the inevitable bail-out happens, so it can at least be limited.

It is not lax regulation. We are at the point where risk models have to get approved by the regulators. The absurdity in these actions is mind-boggling.
We are also not fecked if we don´t bail them out. That is nonsense. It is only "necessary", because we live in an over-leveraged world economy and politicians are desperate to keep this scheme alive. In a fractional reserve system, the central banks need to act as liquidity provider in crisis for solvent institutes. Everything that goes beyond that just harms us in the long run.
 
General question:
The world ditched the gold standard and it became possible to increase the money supply indefinitely, ideally to promote growth but in reality growth with inflation or even stagflation, etc. Since gold is a precious and limited commodity, if total global money supply was linked to gold reserves, unlimited inflation would not be possible.
My question: if we still had a gold standard, it would make sense for any large-ish country to research uranium (or any other heavy element) nuclear degradation to gold. And I would bet that we would have (easily) succeeded by now. At the same time, there has been a huge productivity increase in the global economy which would probably have happened (at least roughly) with a gold standard too, making the value of gold extremely high in dollar terms. So, wouldn't countries just produce their gold?*

And, since there is no inherent worth to gold other than its limited abundance, what makes the gold standard any better than the current system? And is there a modern alternative?


*My only exposure to formal economics was Eco101 6 years ago, so I'm not sure how logical that paragraph was.
 
We already can produce gold synthetically with the use of a particle collider, but the yield is so minuscule that it doesn't even begin to approach the realm of feasibility.

Something resembling the Gold Standard will not return, due in part to the war economy instigated in WWI.
 
General question:
The world ditched the gold standard and it became possible to increase the money supply indefinitely, ideally to promote growth but in reality growth with inflation or even stagflation, etc. Since gold is a precious and limited commodity, if total global money supply was linked to gold reserves, unlimited inflation would not be possible.
My question: if we still had a gold standard, it would make sense for any large-ish country to research uranium (or any other heavy element) nuclear degradation to gold. And I would bet that we would have (easily) succeeded by now. At the same time, there has been a huge productivity increase in the global economy which would probably have happened (at least roughly) with a gold standard too, making the value of gold extremely high in dollar terms. So, wouldn't countries just produce their gold?*

And, since there is no inherent worth to gold other than its limited abundance, what makes the gold standard any better than the current system? And is there a modern alternative?


*My only exposure to formal economics was Eco101 6 years ago, so I'm not sure how logical that paragraph was.

I can´t really answer your first question about producing gold, because I have no clue about the costs of this process. If countries could just create gold cheaply, it would create problems. The gold standard itself makes imo little sense. There is an historic and practical argument, that it worked well pre WWII, which is mostly true. But if you are willing to commit to a gold-standard, you could also just commit to better central banking practises.
My person opinion is, that central banks should adopt a better set of rules, that they have to follow. Nowadays a well designed computer program could run the core-business of central banks. You woulnd´t even need people "controlling" the daily business anymore.
As save-guard against abuse, the state should abolish its monopoly on currencies and allow private entities to create their own. As long as a countries commit to credible monetary policies these private currencies would be probably fringe phenomenon but they would become an alternative if central banks start to abuse their powers. So that would be imo an effective save-guard against overreach.

One debate in monetary policy is discretion vs strict rules. Depending on your economic ideas both things can make sense. Nowadays we are in the situation where central banks more or less just make stuff up on their way without really explaining their rational.
They are just saying completely meaningless and contradicting things. Even academics who favor discretion don´t agree with this anymore. I also struggle to blindly trust anyone with so much power. They should be at least able to consistently explain their thinking.
But their lack of transparency is caused by their lack of knowledge/understanding. They simply can´t explain what they are doing, because they don´t understand it.
 
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