Isn't Solanke off anyway? Read that he was refusing to extend his contract.
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Isn't Solanke off anyway? Read that he was refusing to extend his contract.
What does Bob being a Liverpool fan have to do with his opinion of a Chelsea defender? You do understand that fans have nothing to do with the defensive set up employed by their sides? The first paragraph of your post implies that Liverpool fans have some sort of responsibility for the sides defensive inadequacies. I don't think you'll find a Liverpool fan here or anywhere that thinks we've been strong at the back in the last four seasons.You don't get the Liverpool comparison? Really, I think given you haven't won the league for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 28 minutes, your grasp on what it takes to be a title winning side should be taken with as many grains of salt as possible. Your greatest moment in the last 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 29 minutes has been to come in second after slipping at the last hurdle due to your captains inadequacies and your frankly laughable inability to defend. To be lectured on how a defense should work by a Liverpool fan is like being lectured on moral rectitude by Keith Richards.
As for your FM view of how football works, it might be a bit more convincing if we hadn't actually won the league that season, thus making your analysis of what the 'top sides' would do look rather silly. Although I do understand that as a fan of a club that hasn't won the league now for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 30 minutes your view of what constitutes a 'top side' is likely to be rather hazy.
That depresses me.
I think we can all agree that Liverpool have been poor for the last quarter of a century but that's not really relevant when discussing the sbilities of a Chelsea player. I happen to rate Azpilicueta (butchered spelling?) and was interested to know whether people thought his dip in form was down to the teams issues or just an individual problem.
Bob obviously thinks that Azpilicueta is a defensive full back which is why Mourinho preferred him at left back. Do you not think Mourinho prefers players that benefit his sides solidarity and work rate on and off the ball? That would explain why Mata was forced out of Chelsea.
I've heard similar rumblings. I've read that he's asking for £50K a week and the club don't want to pay it. His current contract ("only" £7K a week) runs out at the end of this season.
He's probably asking for less than £50K but I don't really blame young players for trying to get as much as they can, especially when they are at a club like Chelsea.
It would be a real shame to lose him though, he's been at the club since he was 8!
Aargh apologies man. I thought you meant or were referring to us, man united fans, and not Jose!
Won't be surprised to see more and more youngsters leaving Chelsea. The likes of Chalobah, Traore and Boga can hardly be expected to wait further.
I don't think the rate of youngsters leaving will increase (lots leave every year), just that given our recent successes at that level, they will be a bit more well known.
Liverpool vs Chelsea has overtaken Bayern vs Barca as the biggest rivalry on this Manchester United forum. Fantastic diversity here at Redcafe.
Odd how they haven't invested in defence?
Yet. We will.
Poor old Sophie from Youtube also thinks we need signings at the back.
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Bob has a history of just endlessly attacking Mourinho and Chelsea whilst pretending it's all some expert analysis on his part. Nothing Jose does is right, even when it leads to a league title. In Bob-land Jose is always defensive and Chelsea is always in the wrong.
Mourinho does plenty right, I don't like praising him though.
You're just thick enough to think that criticising someone means you don't think they do anything right.
Perhaps if you hadn't done it incessantly for the last god knows how long, then it wouldn't stick in my mind so much. When it comes to Jose and Chelsea you're a broken record, and it doesn't matter how many times people demolish your ill-thought out attacks, you just shrug it off and repeat them again next time.
Yep, considering they conceded more goals than C.Palace, W. Brom, Swansea and Watford last season.
I don't know why so many tip them for top 4 ... they'll be lucky to finish top 6 IMO.
How did you demolish my arguments again exactly? By saying Liverpool fans can't have an opinion? Ah, okay then.
No, by pointing out exactly why Azpilicueta was held back in the way he was (a counterpoint to your claim he wasn't an attacking player) and explaining that despite this tactical limitation the overall result was largely beneficial to the team (something you tried to deny), which was proven by our league winning success.
I already replied to that. If you don't like what I said then that's up to you. If you think you destroyed my argument you're deluded.
I think that is only natural. If the club can get one star player (Courtois till now and a couple out of Christensen, Traore, Abraham, Musonda, Boga etc.) from the loan farm every other season it would be a great success for the club, the challenge is to make sure that those who dont make it at Chelsea are well looked after in terms of providing them loan/permanent moves whenever suitable.
As for Solanke, he is just being a greedy little feck. Plus he is never going to be Chelsea material by the looks of it. Abraham and Mason Mount would probably make it who are nearly the same age.
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No. Youre the one who is living in a delusion Bob. Anything Mourinho related gives you nosebleeds.
Awk, bless.
All of them are average hardly a loss. The only youngsters at Chelsea worth a damn are Christensen, Musonda & maybe RLC if he gets his head sorted out. The rest are nothing special.
Bonkers. Traore is a proper star in the making. He could well be the top scorer in the Dutch league this season.
Also, Boga is atleast as talented as Musonda. He is just less flashy but is way smarter than any young player around him.
For the people mentioning our lack of defensive signings. The arrival of Koulibaly seems like a matter of when not if going by his agents recent quotes & Zouma's eventual return will also be a huge boost. With Christensen, Koulibaly & Zouma we're sorted for the next 4/5 seasons. Current fullbacks are indeed a massive worry though, we desperately need an Ivanovic replacement but top quality fullbacks are a scarcity in today's game.
I'm more worried about our attack. We're utterly reliant on Eden Hazard & if he goes down injured again our season is fecked. I was convinced we'd make a big money move for Mahrez in the summer but instead we're chasing after limited strikers like Morata, Lukaku & Icardi because of Conte's fixation with 442. I think the club is playing with fire atm, Hazard has no incentive to stay beyond this summer if we continue to refuse to bring in talent on his level.
I'm more worried about our attack. We're utterly reliant on Eden Hazard & if he goes down injured again our season is fecked. I was convinced we'd make a big money move for Mahrez in the summer but instead we're chasing after limited strikers like Morata, Lukaku & Icardi because of Conte's fixation with 442. I think the club is playing with fire atm, Hazard has no incentive to stay beyond this summer if we continue to refuse to bring in talent on his level.
Lucas Piazon (remember him?) also excelled in the Eredivise & has done absolutely nothing in his career since. Traore will probably have a solid career but nothing about him suggests star quality at all or else he wouldn't have ended up back in the Dutch League.
Musonda was the star from the get go for Real Betis & is widely accepted as the best Belgian talent of his generation. Boga on the other hand couldn't buy a start for Betis & was completely outshone by his age mate Dembele who garnered interest from every big club because of his performances. Boga will probably be another Kakuta.
Charly's dribbling ability is already a tier behind the likes of Hazard, Ben Arfa, Neymar, Messi etc yet you claim Boga's just as talented?
What a stupid comparision. Piazon barely scored 8 goals (which was not even a third of the top scorer) and then blew up mid season for his partying ways. Anyone who compares a proper footballer to a full time partier (part time footballer) can not be of sound mind.
I am talking the real deal players. RvN, Suarez, Depay and the likes or in the very least Bony, who if not anything got sold for £28m.
You do realise that players (and people) can be equally talented with different skills? Reading and understanding english text does not seem to be a skill of yours.Charly's dribbling ability is already a tier behind the likes of Hazard, Ben Arfa, Neymar, Messi etc yet you claim Boga's just as talented?
It doesn't matter what Koulibaly's agent says
It's if Napoli president changes his tune that you should start celebrating. De Laureintis is a tough negotiator. Another problem is that he tends to not want to negotiate at all.
You're forgetting the Conte factor. The guy is immense, and he has a history of getting average defenders to play like world-beaters. Plus defending is about more than your back four. They've amassed a very physical, imposing midfield that will dominate teams through brawn as much as brains; expect them to win matches through sheer brutality this season.
I think they'll either edge the top 4 by a very fine margin, or miss out by an equally close distance.
Photoshop crew do your thing.
Not sure about this. We are not utterly reliant on Eden Hazard. What about Costa, Pedro, Willian, Oscar, Cuadrado and maybe even Fabregas, and we have just paid over £30m for Batshuayi, one of Hazards fellow country men. I would have thought with a decent season he would be happy to stay.
Conte is a cool cat.
Quite happy with the Traore loan to Ajax being confirmed. Hopefully this is the successfull loan he should have had last season. My bet is he ends up among the top 3 scorers this season in the Dutch league and since he is younger than Jenssen and Milik we will have £25-30m player for free next summer.
As for this summer it also means that we have a deal closing in for either Icardi or Lukaku (I so hope its not him). This would mean a strike force of Costa-Icardi/Lukaku-Batshuayi which would be best in the league. With Abraham and Traore (hopefully) proving hits at their respective clubs, we could be sorted in that hard to fill position for next 5-6 seasons even if Costa is sold next season.
As for this summer it also means that we have a deal closing in for either Icardi or Lukaku (I so hope its not him). This would mean a strike force of Costa-Icardi/Lukaku-Batshuayi which would be best in the league. With Abraham and Traore (hopefully) proving hits at their respective clubs, we could be sorted in that hard to fill position for next 5-6 seasons even if Costa is sold next season.
Kenedy has gone on loan to Watford. Matt Miazga is also about to agree a loan with a prem club (not yet known who).
Kenedy will do very well. I'm not at all convinced with the little I've seen from Miazga.
Kenedy will do very well. I'm not at all convinced with the little I've seen from Miazga.
Will you get a few more players in before the window closes? I'd think you need a defender at least?
I'd be very surprised if we don't. A central defender, a full back and a forward would be my guess. Don't ask me who though!
Cheers. At least you're in for some exciting few weeks.
So do Chelsea have a buy-back clause on Andreas Christensen? He is class...
He's on loan.
There were a few reports that they offered a very decent sum to sign him but we turned it down.
It was a two year loan (agreed at the start of last season) so it would have been interesting to see what we would have done with him this year, given our issues in that position and his form.
He will be a great defender for you're club.
Very calm, intelligent and great on the ball. The fact that he can also play as a DM is a huge plus too.
If he gets the chance!
He is one of the first from our crop of youth product loan players to really play well at a high level, so if anyone is going to get a chance, it's him.