Chelsea 2016/17 - Very Content

They're still my favourites for the title.

Having no midweek commitments will give them an advantage in the long run.

Conte needs to sort the defence out, but they will be there or thereabouts if Costa keeps up this goalscoring form.

Cesc's creativity needs to be better utilised in certain games. He should have come for Oscar on the hour mark. Last night's game was nearly identical to ours vs City.
 
duffer said:
We've been better than last season but not as good as I think we can be.

Conte was never going to come in and straight away take us from 10th to 1st. I would not say I've been underwhelmed (other than last night), it's been pretty much as expected.

I would like to see a bit more imagination in his team selection and use of subs though.
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Cheers. I'd expect Chelsea to take the game to the opponent at SB more than you seem to atm.
 
So, can any Chelsea fans enlighten me on the Cesc situation? I thought he was horrendous last season, but everytime I've seen him this season he's looked good but still can't get in ahead of Matic and Oscar who aren't up to much. I heard Milan were in for him but Chelsea didn't budge because they wouldn't speak about a transfer for one of their kids I believe?

I mean, if Cesc is in Conte's plans then the time to use is his now considering he's typically at his best at the starts of seasons.
 
I'm surprised about Matic. He hasn't been the same for a while now.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Understandable point of view from a young person in the north of England who has grown up in the Sky tv era.
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If you are old person then it's pretty sad to see old man trying to troll in Chelsea thread. In what way Chelsea bang average club? If they are average then what are Spurs? Poor club?
 
roonster09 said:
If you are old person then it's pretty sad to see old man trying to troll in Chelsea thread. In what way Chelsea bang average club? If they are average then what are Spurs? Poor club?
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I guess if you fell into a coma a quarter of a century ago, woke up last night and the first thing you were asked was "how do Spurs and Chelsea compare?".
 
Yagami said:
So, can any Chelsea fans enlighten me on the Cesc situation? I thought he was horrendous last season, but everytime I've seen him this season he's looked good but still can't get in ahead of Matic and Oscar who aren't up to much. I heard Milan were in for him but Chelsea didn't budge because they wouldn't speak about a transfer for one of their kids I believe?

I mean, if Cesc is in Conte's plans then the time to use is his now considering he's typically at his best at the starts of seasons.
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This is also actually a very good point. It's really baffling how Oscar gets ahead of Cesc even though Conte has enough defensive cover in Matic and Kante.
 
I dont get why conte insists on benching Cesc and starting Matic as a b2b CM. the team would flow so much better with Kante-Cesc-Oscar.

In addition, Conte's love for Ivanoic is baffling.
 
NYC said:
I dont get why conte insists on benching Cesc and starting Matic as a DM. the team would flow so much better with Kante-Cesc-Oscar.

In addition, Conte's love for Ivanoic is baffling.
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I think in the next month and going forward the full-backs will be Azi and Alonso.
 
Yagami said:
So, can any Chelsea fans enlighten me on the Cesc situation? I thought he was horrendous last season, but everytime I've seen him this season he's looked good but still can't get in ahead of Matic and Oscar who aren't up to much. I heard Milan were in for him but Chelsea didn't budge because they wouldn't speak about a transfer for one of their kids I believe?

I mean, if Cesc is in Conte's plans then the time to use is his now considering he's typically at his best at the starts of seasons.
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It sounds to me like Cesc really wants out, especially for Real and that has caused a rift with the manager and the club. We saw the same with Hazard last season though he seems ok with things now.
 
duffer said:
We've been better than last season but not as good as I think we can be.

Conte was never going to come in and straight away take us from 10th to 1st. I would not say I've been underwhelmed (other than last night), it's been pretty much as expected.

I would like to see a bit more imagination in his team selection and use of subs though.
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Conte is putting a strange amount of faith in Ivanovic, Oscar and Matic. I mean you obviously have to wonder how Oscar gets in ahead of Fabregas given their relative abilites on the ball, you can't even say Fabregas doesn't defend when he more than makes up for his lack of defensive work with his play going forward (compared to both Oscar and Matic, but Matic you could at least argue gives more defensive protection). For some reason, Conte just seems to be setting up very conservatively and is playing a very workman-like midfield; the system is just too reliant on Hazard to break teams down and on Costa to score.

On the subs vs Liverpool, was Michy Batshuayi injured? How come Conte didn't bring him on instead of Moses or Pedro when chasing a result? He's started very well and scored a few important goals already. Conte signed him, and doesn't seem to rate Fabregas, so I'd have thought he'd be quite high up on the pecking order: takes the burden of scoring off Costa, they seemed to be quite good together, is strong and pacy and may be able to create some goals, plus with Matic and Kante in midfield surely they have enough cover to accomodate a striker. Perhaps Conte doesn't trust the defence at all (well he wanted another centre half so obviously isn't satisfied) and if he'd gotten his desired centre half, maybe Batshuayi would've played more and we would've seen a more expansive Chelsea? Still expect them to be top 4 quite comfortably though.
 
roonster09 said:
If you are old person then it's pretty sad to see old man trying to troll in Chelsea thread. In what way Chelsea bang average club? If they are average then what are Spurs? Poor club?
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Lol, I'm far from old! Look football is opinions and views, not sure why a simple view held by me would goad you. However I'll give you my reasoning, and that's all it is a personal opinion.

I probably have a different view to you because I'm from London and a fair few people in the city probably see London football differently. Are Chelsea an average club, to me yep they are. They aren't an Arsenal for sure, they are in the same bracket as West Ham with just one difference, they are bank rolled by one of Putin's money washers to the tune of over $1 billion debt to Fordstam soon I believe to be nearer $2 billion.

Does such investment of I'll gained money and debt change the individuals view of the status of Chelsea? It's undeniable that it's enabled them to be extremely competitive over the last years so I can understand and appreciate why it would to a lot of people, especially those in their early 20's or younger who have seen no different, I get it completely. But to me being a 40 something Londoner they will always be the capitals fourth club.

As for Spurs, have your own thoughts, to me it's not important whether people view us as important, completely insignificant or as you say, poor. It's just an opinion.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Lol, I'm far from old! Look football is opinions and views, not sure why a simple view held by me would goad you. However I'll give you my reasoning, and that's all it is a personal opinion.

I probably have a different view to you because I'm from London and a fair few people in the city probably see London football differently. Are Chelsea an average club, to me yep they are. They aren't an Arsenal for sure, they are in the same bracket as West Ham with just one difference, they are bank rolled by one of Putin's money washers to the tune of over $1 billion debt to Fordstam soon I believe to be nearer $2 billion.

Does such investment of I'll gained money and debt change the individuals view of the status of Chelsea? It's undeniable that it's enabled them to be extremely competitive over the last years so I can understand and appreciate why it would to a lot of people, especially those in their early 20's or younger who have seen no different, I get it completely. But to me being a 40 something Londoner they will always be the capitals fourth club.

As for Spurs, have your own thoughts, to me it's not important whether people view us as important, completely insignificant or as you say, poor. It's just an opinion.
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In terms of match going support spurs are probably the biggest in London and with a bigger stadium might outdo arsenal for attendance.

That being said Chelsea's local fan base is a joke, not only because most of their so called "local diehards" only appeared in the abramovic era. I remember pre Abramovic there were only about 50-100 really hardcore Chelsea fans and they were the most racist fans I've ever encountered.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Lol, I'm far from old! Look football is opinions and views, not sure why a simple view held by me would goad you. However I'll give you my reasoning, and that's all it is a personal opinion.

I probably have a different view to you because I'm from London and a fair few people in the city probably see London football differently. Are Chelsea an average club, to me yep they are. They aren't an Arsenal for sure, they are in the same bracket as West Ham with just one difference, they are bank rolled by one of Putin's money washers to the tune of over $1 billion debt to Fordstam soon I believe to be nearer $2 billion.

Does such investment of I'll gained money and debt change the individuals view of the status of Chelsea? It's undeniable that it's enabled them to be extremely competitive over the last years so I can understand and appreciate why it would to a lot of people, especially those in their early 20's or younger who have seen no different, I get it completely. But to me being a 40 something Londoner they will always be the capitals fourth club.

As for Spurs, have your own thoughts, to me it's not important whether people view us as important, completely insignificant or as you say, poor. It's just an opinion.
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That's a load of nonsense. Btw it's just my opinion.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Lol, I'm far from old! Look football is opinions and views, not sure why a simple view held by me would goad you. However I'll give you my reasoning, and that's all it is a personal opinion.

I probably have a different view to you because I'm from London and a fair few people in the city probably see London football differently. Are Chelsea an average club, to me yep they are. They aren't an Arsenal for sure, they are in the same bracket as West Ham with just one difference, they are bank rolled by one of Putin's money washers to the tune of over $1 billion debt to Fordstam soon I believe to be nearer $2 billion.

Does such investment of I'll gained money and debt change the individuals view of the status of Chelsea? It's undeniable that it's enabled them to be extremely competitive over the last years so I can understand and appreciate why it would to a lot of people, especially those in their early 20's or younger who have seen no different, I get it completely. But to me being a 40 something Londoner they will always be the capitals fourth club.

As for Spurs, have your own thoughts, to me it's not important whether people view us as important, completely insignificant or as you say, poor. It's just an opinion.
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That's pretty funny considering we were better than you before Roman bought the club. :lol:
 
Kentonio said:
That's pretty funny considering we were better than you before Roman bought the club. :lol:
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But I'm not measuring the quality of your team against Spurs and it's true for a few of the Matthew Harding years you had a better side than many including us.

What I said was IMHO Chelsea to London football fans will never be an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, the 3 London clubs with genuinely big localised fanbases.

Spurs and West Ham are the classic example of well supported clubs within their local areas, neither have large support outside of their own environment let alone on an international basis and neither of us win anything, and I mean for donkeys years. Yet both enjoy big loyal fanbases. Spurs have their maximum amount of ST holders 25,000 and over 55,000 on the ST waiting list, getting tickets for Spurs games is always a challenge. Chelsea on the other hand have 25,000 ST holders and I believe no waiting list, just a points requirement?

Here's an old article from the Mail, explaining that all of Chelsea's success has had little impact on their limited local support.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Abramovichs-457m-1-639-new-Chelsea-fans.html

They can only dream of having the local support of an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, who within London itself will always be the capitals 3 best supported clubs.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
But I'm not measuring the quality of your team against Spurs and it's true for a few of the Matthew Harding years you had a better side than many including us.

What I said was IMHO Chelsea to London football fans will never be an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, the 3 London clubs with genuinely big localised fanbases.

Spurs and West Ham are the classic example of well supported clubs within their local areas, neither have large support outside of their own environment let alone on an international basis and neither of us win anything, and I mean for donkeys years. Yet both enjoy big loyal fanbases. Spurs have their maximum amount of ST holders 25,000 and over 55,000 on the ST waiting list, getting tickets for Spurs games is always a challenge. Chelsea on the other hand have 25,000 ST holders and I believe no waiting list, just a points requirement?

Here's an old article from the Mail, explaining that all of Chelsea's success has had little impact on their limited local support.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Abramovichs-457m-1-639-new-Chelsea-fans.html

They can only dream of having the local support of an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, who within London itself will always be the capitals 3 best supported clubs.
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Apparently Torino have more fans in Turin than Juventus, that doesn't make Juventus average club.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
But I'm not measuring the quality of your team against Spurs and it's true for a few of the Matthew Harding years you had a better side than many including us.

What I said was IMHO Chelsea to London football fans will never be an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, the 3 London clubs with genuinely big localised fanbases.

Spurs and West Ham are the classic example of well supported clubs within their local areas, neither have large support outside of their own environment let alone on an international basis and neither of us win anything, and I mean for donkeys years. Yet both enjoy big loyal fanbases. Spurs have their maximum amount of ST holders 25,000 and over 55,000 on the ST waiting list, getting tickets for Spurs games is always a challenge. Chelsea on the other hand have 25,000 ST holders and I believe no waiting list, just a points requirement?

Here's an old article from the Mail, explaining that all of Chelsea's success has had little impact on their limited local support.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Abramovichs-457m-1-639-new-Chelsea-fans.html

They can only dream of having the local support of an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, who within London itself will always be the capitals 3 best supported clubs.
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It's pretty hard to have a hardcore local support when your club is based right bang in the middle of The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea.
 
SirHenryPercy said:
But I'm not measuring the quality of your team against Spurs and it's true for a few of the Matthew Harding years you had a better side than many including us.

What I said was IMHO Chelsea to London football fans will never be an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, the 3 London clubs with genuinely big localised fanbases.

Spurs and West Ham are the classic example of well supported clubs within their local areas, neither have large support outside of their own environment let alone on an international basis and neither of us win anything, and I mean for donkeys years. Yet both enjoy big loyal fanbases. Spurs have their maximum amount of ST holders 25,000 and over 55,000 on the ST waiting list, getting tickets for Spurs games is always a challenge. Chelsea on the other hand have 25,000 ST holders and I believe no waiting list, just a points requirement?

Here's an old article from the Mail, explaining that all of Chelsea's success has had little impact on their limited local support.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...-Abramovichs-457m-1-639-new-Chelsea-fans.html

They can only dream of having the local support of an Arsenal, Spurs or a West Ham, who within London itself will always be the capitals 3 best supported clubs.
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Chelsea sell out every game, and will continue to sell out every game after the new stadium is complete. Last year we sold the third highest number of shirts in the world after Bayern and Barca, and have a following that stretches around the world. If the best argument you can come up with is some form of "well, we have a higher concentration of fans with a 1.2m radius of the respective stadium!" then you're getting pretty desperate. :p
 
Kentonio said:
Chelsea sell out every game, and will continue to sell out every game after the new stadium is complete. Last year we sold the third highest number of shirts in the world after Bayern and Barca, and have a following that stretches around the world. If the best argument you can come up with is some form of "well, we have a higher concentration of fans with a 1.2m radius of the respective stadium!" then you're getting pretty desperate. :p
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After it's complete? You haven't even started building it yet ... and any such start is a long way down the line because you haven't even yet gained planning permission.
 
The argument that Chelsea were "shit" before Abramovich is nonsense. From 96 theyve never been lower than 6th, apart from last yr, thats pretty impressive. 1990 to say 94 they floated around 11th, but before that, 70s 80s they had outstanding players and were a good side

Its all opinion anyway, which is why its the best sport on the planet
 
Kentonio said:
Chelsea sell out every game, and will continue to sell out every game after the new stadium is complete. Last year we sold the third highest number of shirts in the world after Bayern and Barca, and have a following that stretches around the world. If the best argument you can come up with is some form of "well, we have a higher concentration of fans with a 1.2m radius of the respective stadium!" then you're getting pretty desperate. :p
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Not only this but Chelsea were consistently about the 10th biggest european club in terms of revenues back in the late 90s as well.

How does it matter if Chelsea fans moved out to Surrey and Kent with the development of the commuter belt. Not to mention that Chelsea were the best supported English club across the pond as well till liverpool made a head way in the 70s-80s and United in the 90s.

The bitchiness of the spurs fans about Chelsea is understandable though. Chelsea have done them in the rear so many times in the last 25 years, what do you expect
 
Couple of days late on the game but there is absolutely no excuse for us playing Matic and Kante at home in my opinion. Neither offer too much going forward so we are effectively restricting ourselves to a front 4 attack. Oscar offers very little in terms of creativity. Costa is never going to create a goal out of nothing really, he isn't that type of player. We are effectively relying on hazard to be our sole source of creativity, which just isn't going to work on a consistent basis. Along with playing the worlds worst crosser at right back and a right footer at left back, the lack of attacking threat throughout the side is abysmal.

Oscar and Matic should be dropped in home games, both very negative players which restrict us far too much.
 
Honestly don't see what Oscar offers. Maybe I don't watch enough of Chelsea but his contribution seems very limited.
 
BlueCelery said:
Oscar offers a lot. He just isn't as creative as Fabregas.
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You would know more about Oscar than me but I don't think he offers much.

Do you think Fabregas will get to play more, and why has he barely featured so far?
 
Red Katie said:
Honestly don't see what Oscar offers. Maybe I don't watch enough of Chelsea but his contribution seems very limited.
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Oscar offers us nothing. He's a limited player who's development has become terribly stunted. We should have sold him in the summer.
 
Actually, Oscar offers a lot. However, Cesc should be starting too....

It is Matic that should be dropped with a formation like

Kante
Cesc-Oscar
Willian-Costa-Hazard

Problem is Conten insists on playing Matic as a B2b Midfielder, when Chelsea already have CESC
 
SirHenryPercy said:
Lol, I'm far from old! Look football is opinions and views, not sure why a simple view held by me would goad you. However I'll give you my reasoning, and that's all it is a personal opinion.

I probably have a different view to you because I'm from London and a fair few people in the city probably see London football differently. Are Chelsea an average club, to me yep they are. They aren't an Arsenal for sure, they are in the same bracket as West Ham with just one difference, they are bank rolled by one of Putin's money washers to the tune of over $1 billion debt to Fordstam soon I believe to be nearer $2 billion.

Does such investment of I'll gained money and debt change the individuals view of the status of Chelsea? It's undeniable that it's enabled them to be extremely competitive over the last years so I can understand and appreciate why it would to a lot of people, especially those in their early 20's or younger who have seen no different, I get it completely. But to me being a 40 something Londoner they will always be the capitals fourth club.

As for Spurs, have your own thoughts, to me it's not important whether people view us as important, completely insignificant or as you say, poor. It's just an opinion.
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Traditionally, ie in the past, that's all true. Traditionally Leeds are one of the biggest clubs in the land. In the past Arsenal sported red and white because Nottingham Forrest sent us kits to keep us alive. Then they were the bigger club, we became bigger Chapman onwards.

Spurs are historically a far bigger club than Chelsea with a bigger fan base but Chelsea have been ahead of them for 20 years now and it started before Abrahimovic. That means commercially they are getting more fans now and are producing more commerical revenues. More kids in London schools seem to be supporting Chelsea than Spurs and Arsenal from the small amount of kids I know. Overseas and glory supporters will be picking up Chelsea shirts over Spurs shirts.

So commercially Chelsea are bigger right now and debt wise it depends if Abrahimovic ever pulls the plug as immoral as he and many owners may be.
 
Not getting top 4 with that defense. No fecking way. Too much responsibility on the attackers.
Chelsea had he whole summer to fix their defense. Their answer was a deadline day move for David Luiz. Emenalo needs sacking.
 
Adisa said:
Not getting top 4 with that defense. No fecking way. Too much responsibility on the attackers.
Chelsea had he whole summer to fix their defense. Their answer was a deadline day move for David Luiz. Emenalo needs sacking.
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When is Zouma coming back?
 
What is Guus Hiddink up to at the moment?
 
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