Chelsea 2016/17 - Very Content

[AshfordLad]

Forbes value us at £1,118m. I'm sure the new stadium will raise that a chunk, but he's also putting his hand in his pocket for the £500m for that too. I hope it does result in a gain for him though, it means its a win win for all of us.

That forbes valuation is based on £319m revenue from 2 seasons back. It does not take into account the any of the of revenues from new deals with PL, Nike and Yokohama.

He is a solid businessman and wont lose out financially. But no denying the fact that he has been anything but a huge positive for the club.

 

[AshfordLad]

If I spend £80m but make £100m from sales, how much have I spent?

Spoiler: Answer...

£80m.

Thanks captain obvious. But we were talking about net spend.

Since transfers are amortised on the books over player contracts and include wages that is hardly relevant.

I am talking about solid cashflows rather than amortisation, which does not make any difference since it is only an accounting concept.

 

[salford_]

That forbes valuation is based on £319m revenue from 2 seasons back. It does not take into account the any of the of revenues from new deals with PL, Nike and Yokohama.

He is a solid businessman and wont lose out financially. But no denying the fact that he has been anything but a huge positive for the club.

Roman Abramovich is filthy rich, only City compare in the prem obviously. If you ask me, i think RA is wealthier than many "forbes" lists claim.

 

[salford_]

Wasnt there talk a while back of Chelsea bringing in Chinese investors to add some funding to the stadium project?

 

[BobbyManc]

Thanks captain obvious. But we were talking about net spend.

No, the poster said you spent £80m and you claimed that wasn't the case. He made no reference to net spend and was focusing on the fact Chelsea still spent a not insubstantial amount of money adding players to the squad.

 

[Kentonio]

Wasnt there talk a while back of Chelsea bringing in Chinese investors to add some funding to the stadium project?

I've never heard anything like that, and can't see anything on Google. Searching on phone though, so could have missed something.

 

[AshfordLad]

No, the poster said you spent £80m and you claimed that wasn't the case. He made no reference to net spend and was focusing on the fact Chelsea still spent a not insubstantial amount of money adding players to the squad.

Not true, read his previous post to which I replied. He went on with something like Chelsea are not spending these days cuz they overspent last season.

 

[salford_]

I've never heard anything like that, and can't see anything on Google. Searching on phone though, so could have missed something.

was just a rumour IIRC. Obviously a load of shit lol

 

[Theafonis]

I just want us to sign a new centreback and left back.

Azpi is not a left back. I understand he probably played there to compensate for Terry's pace, but he is so limited -- offers very little going forward. A decent left back with some attacking game would elevate our play style a lot.

 

[Klopper76]

I just want us to sign a new centreback and left back.

Azpi is not a left back. I understand he probably played there to compensate for Terry's pace, but he is so limited -- offers very little going forward. A decent left back with some attacking game would elevate our play style a lot.

He was such a good player in 14/15 but seemed to suffer a loss of confidence last season. I'm not sure if that's entirely down to Chelsea's form during the first half of the season or simply an individual thing?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

He was such a good player in 14/15 but seemed to suffer a loss of confidence last season. I'm not sure if that's entirely down to Chelsea's form during the first half of the season or simply an individual thing?

Even then he offered very little going forward. He deserves praise for his defensive work but he's a right back. Only Mourinho's negative mindset led him to playing left back, he should have been right back with Filipe at left back.

 

[AshfordLad]

Even then he offered very little going forward. He deserves praise for his defensive work but he's a right back. Only Mourinho's negative mindset led him to playing left back, he should have been right back with Filipe at left back.

Thats nonsense. Ivanovic was one of the best rightbacks in europe that season and that is why Azpilicueta did not play there. Azpilicueta player ahead of Luis just because he was more settled and Jose trusted him more.

Dippers try hard to peddle this shit about negative tactis yet Ivanovic was there bombing forward in every attack and scoring many key goals. Its just a delusion.

 

[charlenefan]

Even then he offered very little going forward. He deserves praise for his defensive work but he's a right back. Only Mourinho's negative mindset led him to playing left back, he should have been right back with Filipe at left back.

Wasn't he already your first choice LB long before Jose returned?

 

[Offside]

Even when Chelsea finish 10th last year, a few pundits have them to win the league. I think barring 2011 and 2007, they have been hotly tipped in pre-season every single year since Roman took over.

 

[charlenefan]

Even when Chelsea finish 10th last year, a few pundits have them to win the league. I think barring 2011 and 2007, they have been hotly tipped in pre-season every single year since Roman took over.

Conte's Italy in the Euro's has a lot to do with that I suspect

 

[Klopper76]

Even then he offered very little going forward. He deserves praise for his defensive work but he's a right back. Only Mourinho's negative mindset led him to playing left back, he should have been right back with Filipe at left back.

There was still a considerable drop in form last season. I just wasn't sure if that was down to the issues plaguing the side early on or an individual thing. I don't think he was one of the players who gave up on Mourinho was he?

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Thats nonsense. Ivanovic was one of the best rightbacks in europe that season and that is why Azpilicueta did not play there. Azpilicueta player ahead of Luis just because he was more settled and Jose trusted him more.

Dippers try hard to peddle this shit about negative tactis yet Ivanovic was there bombing forward in every attack and scoring many key goals. Its just a delusion.

I don't think Ivanović is a negative player, he's got crap ability on the ball but he still bombs forward. Azpilicueta and Ivanović is most definitely more negative than Filipe Luís and whoever you prefer out of Ivanović and Azpilicueta playing on the side that suits him offensively.

Delusion though, aye...

@charlenefan, am I feck a Chelsea fan.

 

[Theafonis]

Thats nonsense. Ivanovic was one of the best rightbacks in europe that season and that is why Azpilicueta did not play there. Azpilicueta player ahead of Luis just because he was more settled and Jose trusted him more.

Dippers try hard to peddle this shit about negative tactis yet Ivanovic was there bombing forward in every attack and scoring many key goals. Its just a delusion.

Ivanovic was pretty mediocre February 2015 and after. It's laughable that you'd suggest he was the best right back in Europe that season.

 

[Theafonis]

@charlenefan, am I feck a Chelsea fan.

I've never seen you post anything positive

 

[Kentonio]

There's a reason why Liverpool are now Chelsea's most hated club..

 

[AshfordLad]

Ivanovic was pretty mediocre February 2015 and after. It's laughable that you'd suggest he was the best right back in Europe that season.

Ridiculous claim. You dont remember anything about the season do you. He scored 4 goals in Feb-2015 as a full back. Also, Chelsea conceded about 10 goals in 15 games from Feb-2015 with 8 cleansheets.

Ivanovic was in the PL team of the season. His form did not drop till the very end. Only Dani Alves was better than him in all of Europe.

I don't think Ivanović is a negative player, he's got crap ability on the ball but he still bombs forward. Azpilicueta and Ivanović is most definitely more negative than Filipe Luís and whoever you prefer out of Ivanović and Azpilicueta playing on the side that suits him offensively.

Point is not negative or positive players. Point is that you are wrong about why Luis did not play.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Ridiculous claim. You dont remember anything about the season do you. He scored 4 goals in Feb-2015 as a full back. Also, Chelsea conceded about 10 goals in 15 games from Feb-2015 with 8 cleansheets.

Ivanovic was in the PL team of the season. His form did not drop till the very end. Only Dani Alves was better than him in all of Europe.



Point is not negative or positive players. Point is that you are wrong about why Luis did not play.

How am I wrong? I said it's because Mourinho is a negative manager - playing Filipe Luís at left back is a positive choice, regardless of who starts at right back.

 

[AshfordLad]

How am I wrong? I said it's because Mourinho is a negative manager - playing Filipe Luís at left back is a positive choice, regardless of who starts at right back.

No. Azpilicueta was the more settled player and he playeed out of his skin to keep the LB spot. There was no negative intent from the manager as demonstrated on the other wing by Ivanovic. Thats where you are wrong.

Anyways, the point is that you know all this. You just hate Mourinho too much to acknowledge that.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

No. Azpilicueta was the more settled player and he playeed out of his skin to keep the LB spot. There was no negative intent from the manager as demonstrated on the other wing by Ivanovic. Thats where you are wrong.

Anyways, the point is that you know all this. You just hate Mourinho too much to acknowledge that.

He played out of his skin defensively but he added nothing going forward.

 

[Kentonio]

He played out of his skin defensively but he added nothing going forward.

He was forced to not push ahead too much, because he was playing on the left, the side where JT was also playing out of his skin in CB (regarded by most as one of his best seasons). The downside of JT playing there however is that the LB has to stay back to cover any sudden counter attack, because despite JT's strengths he simply doesn't have the pace to recover quickly. In games where JT isn't playing and we have Zouma alongside Cahill, Azpi is much freer to push up, and has in fact shown he's more than capable of being a very effective attacking LB.

But of course you'd know that if you actually knew anything about the players and the team and weren't just jumping in to try and attack the club and our former manager.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

He was forced to not push ahead too much, because he was playing on the left, the side where JT was also playing out of his skin in CB (regarded by most as one of his best seasons). The downside of JT playing there however is that the LB has to stay back to cover any sudden counter attack, because despite JT's strengths he simply doesn't have the pace to recover quickly. In games where JT isn't playing and we have Zouma alongside Cahill, Azpi is much freer to push up, and has in fact shown he's more than capable of being a very effective attacking LB.

But of course you'd know that if you actually knew anything about the players and the team and weren't just jumping in to try and attack the club and our former manager.

If a centre back needs a left back to cover for him then he's holding the team back, not having his best season.

Every centre back will look good if the rest of the team is geared around protecting them.

 

[Kentonio]

If a centre back needs a left back to cover for him then he's holding the team back, not having his best season.

Every centre back will look good if the rest of the team is geared around protecting them.

This is clearly wrong. He was excelling in all parts of his game, but just lacked pace. That is still considerably more useful than having a pacier but much less effective CB, as was proven by us winning the league.

We lost a little attacking thrust down the left (more than compensated for by having an on form Hazard) and made up for it by having an amazing defensive unit. Obviously it would be nice to have both, but as a Liverpool fan you should be very used to having to make compromises. Although obviously not used to winning the league.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

This is clearly wrong. He was excelling in all parts of his game, but just lacked pace. That is still considerably more useful than having a pacier but much less effective CB, as was proven by us winning the league.

We lost a little attacking thrust down the left (more than compensated for by having an on form Hazard) and made up for it by having an amazing defensive unit. Obviously it would be nice to have both, but as a Liverpool fan you should be very used to having to make compromises. Although obviously not used to winning the league.

I don't get the Liverpool comparison. Petty dig for sake of petty dig, I guess.

Go tell any of the top sides to stop their left back going forward because they need them to cover for a centre back and they'd laugh you out town - except for Man Utd for obvious reasons.

If Filipe had played over Azpilicueta at left back would Terry have fallen to pieces? If yes, then he's not very good - Atlético Madrid centre backs don't struggle when he bombs forward. If no, then your justification for preferring Azpilicueta falls apart.

Answers on a postcard.

 

[AshfordLad]

If Filipe had played over Azpilicueta at left back would Terry have fallen to pieces? If yes, then he's not very good - Atlético Madrid centre backs don't struggle when he bombs forward. If no, then your justification for preferring Azpilicueta falls apart.

Thats because their CMs stay back to provide cover. You are out of depth here.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Thats because their CMs stay back to provide cover. You are out of depth here.

Aye, Matić (and Mikel with Cesc playing higher up the pitch in the bigger games) is as adventurous as it gets.

It's like talking to a plank here.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

So, will Conte be starting Aina or Ivanovic?

 

[Ish]

I don't get the Liverpool comparison. Petty dig for sake of petty dig, I guess.

Go tell any of the top sides to stop their left back going forward because they need them to cover for a centre back and they'd laugh you out town - except for Man Utd for obvious reasons.

What's the United bit about, Bob? Just because Mourinho is now our manager? I don't get it.

 

[AshfordLad]

Aye, Matić (and Mikel with Cesc playing higher up the pitch in the bigger games) is as adventurous as it gets.

It's like talking to a plank here.

If you are implying that Athletico play a more attacking game than Mourinho's Chelsea than youre beyond help.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

What's the United bit about, Bob? Just because Mourinho is now our manager? I don't get it.

It is yeah. The initial discussion was about Mourinho's negative tactics, so obviously he'd not disagree with his own decisions.

If you are implying that Athletico play a more attacking game than Mourinho's Chelsea than youre beyond help.

Err I never said they did? I'm saying Chelsea didn't play an adventurous midfield.

Keep up mate.

 

[duffer]

Traore has gone on loan to Ajax.

I guess we are either going into the season with Remy as 3rd choice or will be signing someone else (Bamford and Solanke have played 0 minutes in pre season).

 

[blue blue]

Traore has gone on loan to Ajax.

I guess we are either going into the season with Remy as 3rd choice or will be signing someone else (Bamford and Solanke have played 0 minutes in pre season).

Costa, Batshuayi & Remy and that will probably have to do. I can't see Chelsea buying another forward before the window closes. I think the fans have to get used to the fact that without Champions League or even Euro Chelsea can't attract top top quality. Besides the need for quality defenders is more important.

 

[Kentonio]

I don't get the Liverpool comparison. Petty dig for sake of petty dig, I guess.

Go tell any of the top sides to stop their left back going forward because they need them to cover for a centre back and they'd laugh you out town - except for Man Utd for obvious reasons.

If Filipe had played over Azpilicueta at left back would Terry have fallen to pieces? If yes, then he's not very good - Atlético Madrid centre backs don't struggle when he bombs forward. If no, then your justification for preferring Azpilicueta falls apart.

Answers on a postcard.

You don't get the Liverpool comparison? Really, I think given you haven't won the league for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 28 minutes, your grasp on what it takes to be a title winning side should be taken with as many grains of salt as possible. Your greatest moment in the last 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 29 minutes has been to come in second after slipping at the last hurdle due to your captains inadequacies and your frankly laughable inability to defend. To be lectured on how a defense should work by a Liverpool fan is like being lectured on moral rectitude by Keith Richards.

As for your FM view of how football works, it might be a bit more convincing if we hadn't actually won the league that season, thus making your analysis of what the 'top sides' would do look rather silly. Although I do understand that as a fan of a club that hasn't won the league now for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 30 minutes your view of what constitutes a 'top side' is likely to be rather hazy.

Traore has gone on loan to Ajax.

That depresses me.

 

[duffer]

I think the fans have to get used to the fact that without Champions League or even Euro Chelsea can't attract top top quality.

I don't think it makes that much of a difference. Kante was one of the best players in the league and we signed him.

If by "top top quality" you mean Messi and Ronaldo then being in the champions league would make no difference, they ain't coming.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

You don't get the Liverpool comparison? Really, I think given you haven't won the league for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 28 minutes, your grasp on what it takes to be a title winning side should be taken with as many grains of salt as possible. Your greatest moment in the last 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 29 minutes has been to come in second after slipping at the last hurdle due to your captains inadequacies and your frankly laughable inability to defend. To be lectured on how a defense should work by a Liverpool fan is like being lectured on moral rectitude by Keith Richards.

As for your FM view of how football works, it might be a bit more convincing if we hadn't actually won the league that season, thus making your analysis of what the 'top sides' would do look rather silly. Although I do understand that as a fan of a club that hasn't won the league now for 26 years, 97 days, 17 hours and 30 minutes your view of what constitutes a 'top side' is likely to be rather hazy.



That depresses me.

You're a moron if you genuinely think your ability to understand and analyse football is linked to the club you support.

If I supported Rochdale would my opinion be any more or less wrong? This whole debate isn't making you look great here, constant deflecting.

 

[blue blue]

You're a moron if you genuinely think your ability to understand and analyse football is linked to the club you support.

If I supported Rochdale would my opinion be any more or less wrong? This whole debate isn't making you look great here, constant deflecting.

I think you took that a bit personally Bob. Oh yeah, if you supported Rochdale your opinion would be less wrong.