Hi journey since being sacked by Manchester United only goes to show what an unbelievable and crazy decision it was to book him as Manchester United manager......regardless of the politics of that decision...it was in hindsight pretty mind boggling.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
But against the teams who finished below us it was:
10 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat.
Swansea 1-4 United
Sunderland 1-2 United
Fulham 1-3 United
Cardiff 2-2 United
Villa 0-3 United
Hull 2-3 United
Norwich 0-1 United
Stoke 2-1 United
Palace 0-2 United
West Brom 0-3 United
West Ham 0-2 United
Newcastle 0-4 United
The point is not his overall away record. The point is how he never sets up his teams to win at Top 4 because by mentality he is a midtable or lower table manager. He tried to "make it difficult" and hence doesn't win. After he left, Martinez won his very first Top 4 away match with Everton. Imagine that.
FFS they must have talked a LOT about him to use all of those regularly
Moyes deserves ridicule when ridiculous statements and actions warrant it. Saying you'll need 4 transfer windows to buy while having to motivate those playing for you for at least the next 3 months is ridiculous. We shouldn't bully though, I agree with that.
Against us under Moyes yes, just like Steve Clarke did with West Brom and Pardew did with Newcastle, but he didn't win anyone other than that and got smashed 4-0 twice at Anfield.
Right. A shite manager like Martinez did something in a week which Moyes couldn't in 7 years. Isn't that astounding?
Awful manager
Moyes was up against Fergie at Old Trafford, Martinez was up against Moyes.
Awesome, but let's be honest, both of them fully deserve to have the boot put into them.
The 2 worthless journeyman shit heel lesbian owl big nosed sun reading oxygen stealing cnuts.
This is what annoyed me the most and still annoys me. We were supposed to back and give him more time to destroy the club because apparently he was 'cut from the same cloth as Fergie'
We couldnt criticise him at all. People were thinking that we will go through another Fergie type fairy tale where a young scottish manager will be given time and will take us through decades of success again.
Surely that is not a defence for Moyes though.
Well it was easier to win at Old Trafford when Moyes was our manager. Martinez wouldn't have got that win, had Fergie still been in charge.
On the other side, Moyes lost both against all time greats and all time clowns, so...
But that also shows how poor a manager Moyes was as every dog had its day at Old Trafford that season.
I'm not defending Moyes, he was a disaster for us, but that win Martinez got at Old Trafford was because of Moyes. He didn't get a win at either Anfield, Emirates, Stamford Bridge or Etihad in his three seasons at Everton.
It actually wasn't that great at all, it only seemed that way for a time. Our record vs the bottom 10 was great but vs the top 10 diabolical.
-----------------------------Home vs Away
P: 19 W: 09 D: 03 L: 07------------------P: 19 W: 10 D: 04 L: 05
GF: 29 GA: 21 GD: +08-------------------GF: 35 GA: 22 GD: +13
30 PTS From possible 57 PTS-------------34 PTS From possible 57 PTS
--------------------------Top 10 vs Bottom 10
P: 18 W: 03 D: 05 L: 10------------------P: 20 W: 16 D: 02 L: 02
GF: 16 GA: 28 GD: -12-------------------GF: 48 GA: 15 GD: +33
14 PTS From possible 54 PTS------------50 PTS From possible 60 PTS
Jesus Christ people still find new ways to defend this dour fecker. His away record? Never won a game against any half decent side.
It was a feature of Moyes time at Everton that every time he went up against Liverpool, the build up to the game would be huge, everyone would expect something from the blues, they'd be in incredible form coming into the game etc etc - and then they'd get completely played off the park and beaten comfortably. That was not a coincidence. The guys not a motivator. Not for big games, nor for big players.
It was a feature of Moyes time at Everton that every time he went up against Liverpool, the build up to the game would be huge, everyone would expect something from the blues, they'd be in incredible form coming into the game etc etc - and then they'd get completely played off the park and beaten comfortably. That was not a coincidence. The guys not a motivator. Not for big games, nor for big players.
Would have had us rampant in the Championship essentially.
Yep, his downfall here was definitely against the better sides in the league. Tighter games where the manager earns his doe when tactics, strategy and substitutions come into play. He was found out almost every time.
ffs, he was better against the bottom 10 sides!
Of course he bloody was, we finished 7th, so we must have beaten a lot of the bottom 10 sides, otherwise we'd have been even lower than 7th. However, 7th isn't good enough for United, that's Liverpool territory.
Of course he bloody was, we finished 7th, so we must have beaten a lot of the bottom 10 sides, otherwise we'd have been even lower than 7th. However, 7th isn't good enough for United, that's Liverpool territory.
14 points out of 54 vs Top 10....that is shocking!
What the hell is wrong with him, it's like he's forgotten how to be a manager.
Nonsense. Moyes and Hodgson deserve all the stick they get (except for the lesbian owl part of course). They were completely clueless and shouldn't have accepted jobs which they were unqualified to do. There's a reason Benitez, Dalglish, Rodgers and even LvG don't get the same hate. Failing is ok, but the way Moyes and Hodgson behaved just showed that they didn't understand what it meant to manage a big club. Yes, lots of the name calling and abuse is over the top, but feck me if people calling Moyes a clueless moron need to have a chat with themselves.
Nonsense. Moyes and Hodgson deserve all the stick they get (except for the lesbian owl part of course). They were completely clueless and shouldn't have accepted jobs which they were unqualified to do. There's a reason Benitez, Dalglish, Rodgers and even LvG don't get the same hate. Failing is ok, but the way Moyes and Hodgson behaved just showed that they didn't understand what it meant to manage a big club. Yes, lots of the name calling and abuse is over the top, but feck me if people calling Moyes a clueless moron need to have a chat with themselves.
Saw this pic and it's amazing we hired this guy. One of our strangest decisions
It is arguably the most baffling decision in MUFC's history.
Arguably the biggest club in the World at the time - reigning champions - and we hire a man whose CV is nowhere good enough.
I have to assume that the entire board got totally drunk one day, during which time, Moyes was invited to sign his contract with us.
It then took 10 months for us to pluck up the courage to say, "sorry guys, we messed up".
To be fair, you can't, as the biggest club in the world, appoint someone as woefully inadequate as Moyes and then sack him 6 weeks after the season starts (which is when he should of gone, I was praying we would see sense by the end of November as we could of still saved the season) without looking fecking stupid.
Because that's what we were, completely fecking stupid, on a biblical scale.
This is so weird, I'm not even going to defend him, but jeez why are some of you still obsessing over him? 32 pages on Sunderland's manager on a United forum ffs Unless of course there are some Sunderland fans here, and they've been using this as a discussion thread, then okay that makes sense
Unless of course there are some Sunderland fans here, and they've been using this as a discussion thread, then okay that makes senseThis is interesting.
I remember reading stories from R.Ferdinand, who was not complimentary about Moyes.
Vidic and Evra had about half a season under him and asked to move to another club. They had had enough of Moyes.
I also remember Phil Jones saying that LVG's tenure (while not the best), was "better than Moyes'".
I also remember Cleverley who stated that under Moyes, there was a lot of negativity. He used that word several times in an article I read.
I also remember one of our players stating that Moyes was a very hard worker (first in, last out - type of guy). This was probably the most positive comment I read about Moyes, but I cant remember which player it was who said this.
Players just don't seem to rate Moyes as a good manager.
IMO, he did a good job keeping a steady ship at Everton, but he needed a lot of time to grow into that role. He does not seem to have the ability to hit the ground running which is a VERY important skill required of today's football managers.
Pure complacency. The decision makers had got used to relying on Fergie for all football matters and Fergie himself had developed a highly sentimentalised view of what had made him a great manager (clue - it had nothing to do with being born in Glasgow). Thankfully the experience was so catastrophic that it acted as shock therapy before it could develop into full blown Liverpoolitis.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought of this. It's at home where Moyes couldn't handle it. Away from home we were decent, I think we had the best away form in the league
http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/premier-league/2013-14/table.html&knqt3mtceew+iaqapbhbvq$$
This shows the 2013/14 away form table. Moyes was sacked on 22nd April, his last game was away at Everton. This was the 18th away game. The 19th away game was away at Southampton under Giggsy where we drew. Had we won against them, we would go top top of the table as we would have won 11 games while having a higher GD than Arsenal, who also won 11 games.
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I always said this during his tenure but there was plenty to criticise without re writing his career history. Everton were flirting with relegation when he took over. After his first full season they finished 7th and he won the LMA Manager of the Year award. So I've no idea how you can say he needed a lot of time to grow into the role.
Imo, the decision to not sack him as early as December/January was as bad as the decision to hire him. By that time it was clear it wasn't going to work. We allowed things to deteriorate to the point that we were losing almost every other game.
The game at Olympiakos is worst performance I've ever seen from a Man Utd side.
The game at Olympiakos is worst performance I've ever seen from a Man Utd side.
I don't think it's the courage to say we fecked up that delayed his firing. I think with every new manager, the board basically say the objective is to win the league but we realize things can get fecked up sometimes so the worst we can allow is champions league qualification. Any lower than that and you can gladly pack your bags. That's been the recurring theme with Moyes and van Gaal sackings.
Atleast after Moyes we wised up and stopped offering six year contracts to new managers. Even Jose is on a 3 year deal I believe.
Saw this pic and it's amazing we hired this guy. One of our strangest decisions
Was he expected to do better with Everton?
There are many legitimate sticks one can use to beat Moyes with. Expecting him to perform wonders consistently with a barebone budget against the juggernauts of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is absurd.
feck. I pledged never to discuss Moyes on here. The very mention of his name throws all calm and light out of the window.
Was he expected to do better with Everton?
There are many legitimate sticks one can use to beat Moyes with. Expecting him to perform wonders consistently with a barebone budget against the juggernauts of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is absurd.
Yes. No wins in 45 away at the big teams is pretty shocking. Its not a huge issue, but he did have a very good everton towards the latter years.
Yes I would expect him to be able to win at least once against the big four away from home in 45 attemptsWas he expected to do better with Everton?
There are many legitimate sticks one can use to beat Moyes with. Expecting him to perform wonders consistently with a barebone budget against the juggernauts of Arsenal, Chelsea and Man Utd is absurd.
Its a terrible record for someone expected to replace Ferguson.
Does this statistic exist for other managers in the league? I'm not holding my breath expecting this.
Eddie howe has won 2 of those 4 games last season alone. It's a terrible record.