Her CLP nominated Corbyn. If she's happy to fight the next election without the support and funding of her members fair enough. Cake and eating it or something.
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Her CLP nominated Corbyn. If she's happy to fight the next election without the support and funding of her members fair enough. Cake and eating it or something.
And did she spend any time on Twitter criticising Grammar schools? Nope
Devoted her entire evening to bashing the current leadership. Labour MPs in 2016: More interested in fighting the socialist leader and chancellor of a democratic socialist party than opposing selection in schools. Well done lads.
Devoted her entire evening to bashing the current leadership. Labour MPs in 2016: More interested in fighting the socialist leader and chancellor of a democratic socialist party than opposing selection in schools. Well done lads.
What does that have to do with Mason, who I seem to remember said he wasn't even a member of the Labour party barely a couple of months back, continually calling for MPs to be deselected? Soubry speaks up for female Labour MPs getting continual abuse online (and calls McDonnell a disgrace because he is, let's be honest, his performance last night was absurd), including Berger who gets sent pictures of ovens from Auschwitz and dead children, mere months after one of their colleagues was murdered doing her job, and Mason thinks this is yet another occasion to call for their deselection. He's a moron.
I don't see how Mason's response helps the situation.
It's well known that Labour MP's are currently more interested in fighting each other than the Conservative's but seeing as Corbyn is going to win the leadership election its on the left of the party to be conciliatory and offer an olive branch. Responding with tit for tat nonsense doesn't help anyone.
It's well known that Labour MP's are currently more interested in fighting each other than the Conservative's but seeing as Corbyn is going to win the leadership election its on the left of the party to be conciliatory and offer an olive branch. Responding with tit for tat nonsense doesn't help anyone.
Yeah I agree with him. Some of them are have got to go.
Pretty much. I could understand (sort of) the idea behind the coup at the start despite the fact Corbyn's MP's have essentially been conspiring against him from the very moment he was put into office, but the fact they continue to do so when their own candidate is not only an utter embarrassment but has now been defeated by Corbyn whenever they've debated is a bit ridiculous. It's time for them to either break off to their own party or shut up and get behind Corbyn.
Despairing that this is the opposition. Corbyn himself is fairly unelectable but that's in part because his party has never backed them, despite the fact that the moderate wing of the party is also equally unelectable post-Brexit because they cannot seriously look to reverse Brexit and expect the older anti-immigration voters to continue voting for them, despite it being a key base.
Genuinely cannot believe people think promoting deselection is a positive step. If you want to find the one thing most likely to destroy the party within 6 months, that's it. The PLP then takes the nuclear option and oblivion beckons.
If post leadership election result the same MPs continue to undermine and snipe at the leader, ignoring the will of the current membership, then it is something that does need looking at.
Although given the mechanism already exists within the party (trigger ballots) I suspect a lot of MPs are devoting their time to opposing Corbyn rather than Conservative policies because they suspect under his leadership they will either lose their trigger ballot or lose their seat at the next GE.
Just watching it now, what a fecking disgrace. Seriously, does anyone even the anti-corbyn people think Campbell is anything but a fecking cancer of the party?
Continued smear after smear and petty attacks. No discussion on politics and complete hypocrisy.
The guy can't even recognise how he's seen by the public
Continued smear after smear and petty attacks. No discussion on politics and complete hypocrisy.
The guy can't even recognise how he's seen by the public
Fairplay to the one guy in the audience calling every party out as a shit show 
Utterly bizarre you're addressing those criticisms at Campbell.
I love how people like Ubik want Corbyn out for poor leadership, usually citing the Brexit vote as the most prominent example. Yet the idea of Labour MPs, whose constituencies effectively voted against them in big numbers in the very same vote, getting the same treatment is the biggest potential miscarriage of justice since Deirdre Rachid was jailed in 1998.
Not at all he's as much an issue to the 'centrist' MPs as the likes of Ken is to the more centre-left. Completely poisonous character.
You may well be correct about Umunna, although he does at least have sort of an established profile. Whereas there's more chance of someone recognising this year's Best in Show at Crufts, than Dan Jarvis. He also needs to be respected for policies away from Defence.
But you're talking about QT, right? In the first question he slates grammar schools with plenty of evidence. In the second he literally bases his entire response on politics and the realities of it. Then McDonnell starts whining.
Umunna's going for chair of Home Affairs select committee I think. You're also right on Jarvis' profile being too low to be a threat at the moment, but there aren't many paths to take that don't end badly.
1. She supports Corbyn.
2. She is old enough to vote.
And people wonder why the country is in such a state.
That won't change your life.
Ah, right, maybe not so much.Hmm..
I'd dog the arse off that.
What year is that? She looks exactly the same (minus the hair colour)
It was in the 80s when she was a reporter.
she's got a bit of Angela Rippon/Jan Leeming vibe about her. Early 80's fashion was pretty dreadful.
Bit of a raunchy pose. Grinner nailed the description- awful hair though.Maybe you'd prefer a young Esther McVey?
@Ubik what would it take for you to support Corbyn short term? You're probably indicative of the demographic that he needs to win over.
Bit of afters, apparently.
'You're a f****** a*******': Snarling row between John McDonnell and Alastair Campbell after Question Time
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/youre-f-sn...nell-alastair-campbell-after-question-1581707
'You're a f****** a*******': Snarling row between John McDonnell and Alastair Campbell after Question Time
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/youre-f-sn...nell-alastair-campbell-after-question-1581707
Excellent bants!
Might have know it would McDonnell calling him a fecking arsehole, no class whatsoever.
Might have know it would McDonnell calling him a fecking arsehole, no class whatsoever.
Love the way the article says they agreed to no personal attacks on show...then spent virtually the entire hour going at hammer and tongs.
I think she needs her own thread:
Anyway, QT last night, eh? What a rumpus!
Anyway, QT last night, eh? What a rumpus!
Nixing McDonnell and Milne straight away would be a start. Which shouldn't be too hard because even aside from their personal views, neither are very good at their jobs.
He'd also need to make clear that Labour is first and foremost a parliamentary force, that any "social movement" is there to support and add to it, not supplant it or fight against it. Give up on the Trident opposition, it serves only to accentuate the splits in the party and is never going to succeed, especially given the unions. Make genuine effort to rebuild bridges with MPs, even if they're currently unwilling to serve in the shadow cabinet. Stop Richard Burgon.
In short, tone down the George Galloway aspects of his persona, amplify the Bernie Sanders ones.
Not sure I am indicative though, I'm one of the 4.5% after all
@Frosty is more someone that has lost hope after initially being positive, so he may be better to ask.So basically, you're never going to support him?
I can't help thinking that the party is just fecked. One of McDonnell/Milne might be doable, can't see him getting rid of both though. To be honest, I can't see him getting rid of either. I do think he has to make a gesture of some sort to the centrists in the party (and the country) otherwise he's in trouble.Nixing McDonnell and Milne straight away would be a start. Which shouldn't be too hard because even aside from their personal views, neither are very good at their jobs.
He'd also need to make clear that Labour is first and foremost a parliamentary force, that any "social movement" is there to support and add to it, not supplant it or fight against it. Give up on the Trident opposition, it serves only to accentuate the splits in the party and is never going to succeed, especially given the unions. Make genuine effort to rebuild bridges with MPs, even if they're currently unwilling to serve in the shadow cabinet. Stop Richard Burgon.
In short, tone down the George Galloway aspects of his persona, amplify the Bernie Sanders ones.
Not sure I am indicative though, I'm one of the 4.5% after all
I can agree on Trident -- it's a pointless opposition that just distracts from real issues. The social movement part is Momentum (I'm guessing). Again, that seems to be Corbyn's main driving force.
You voted for Kendall? Still, those are voters Corbyn needs to win over. A move to the centre is needed for the sake of preventing a split. If it doesn't happen, the worst case scenario isn't a split, but a party so divided that it gets annihilated at the next GE. QT last night was the perfect example of Labour destroying itself (personified by Campbell and McDonnell).
Same question to @Frosty then.
How do you know?
McDonnell is poison to the Corbyn movement. Long live McDonnell.
Same here. I think if this leadership election, and the past year or so, has shown anything it's that Labour is a party just filled to the brim with utter incompetence and bickering between people who don't get along and don't want to go along.
Corbyn's alright but on his side you've got toxic figures like McDonnell and Abbott. Then on the more moderate side you've got Smith himself who is utterly shite and a number of his followers who either appear vapid or are just downright hard to like.
I have no real problem with Momentum existing, or pushing policy, just as I have no problem with Progress, Compass or the Fabians doing the same, but it needs to be something other than Jeremy Corbyn's leadership campaign (which is literally what it is, the name of the organisation has switched back and forth multiple times over the past year). Though the point I was making was more targeted at Corbyn's insistence that he wants to transform Labour into a "social movement" - what is this and how is going to achieve tangible results in making Labour more popular and effective? If it's just the politics of rallies and demonstrations, or Twitter and Facebook memes, it's worthless for anything other than leadership elections.
But I'd agree that all of this is very unlikely, which is why I'm just going to cut my losses on the 24th and stop getting wound up about it.
To be fair it's not really Momentum's fault that they are having to spend this summer on another leadership campaign.
True, it was Corbyn's.