One of my friends, who'd be on the first boat if Paul Nuttals was in charge, voted that way because her boyfriend was voting out. Was really depressing.
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Almost makes democracy utter pointless.
Sounds like many a general election, where generation upon generation of a family votes a certain way simply through clan precedent. Do you think Remainers were not prone to voting on reflex or out of some group-think?
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Remain voters were not prong to anything, they all took their tine to consider the options
Yeah, a friend from Leicester (of Indian heritage) was shocked at how close the vote to remain was back home, given it was the first city to have a majority ethnic minority population.
I thought the jist of this thread was they fecked you instead and the name calling doesn't seem to be working and changing minds.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37409451
I'm not name calling. Its what they are
Migration isn't an issue, uncontrolled immigration is, as represented at the referendum. Whichever way you dress it up, this is an issue to the woman/man on the street.
People are allowed to have concerns about immigration without being called xenophobes and racists.
indeed, the whole remain campaign seemed to be about labelling folks as racist, a pretty simple and stupid way of looking at the scenario.
I am sure a fair few % or the leave votes would have been a direct result of such bigoted opinions as @Mozza holds.
Remain voters were not prong to anything, they all took their tine to consider the options
Remain voters had a better overall understanding of what they were voting for. Not saying there were no well informed brexiters but most were sheep.
I've not read Mozza's opinions, but to suggest that it influenced 'a fair few %' is stretching it, you would be talking hundreds of thousands, or millions depending what a fair few % means.
How so?
It wasn't causing harm, even if it was uncontrolled
They are if migration was causing problems, it wasn't so they shouldn't
It was a working class revolt in which people voted purely for a change. All the negative things that were predicted were passed off as scaremongering and surprise surprise, it's all happening. The big red bus with the NHS lie, the empty insinuations on immigration and regaining our sovereignty; People voted for sound bites not policies.
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The remain campaign didn't at all, they provided an economic argument, security argument, and social argument, they lost desipte being on the right side on these issues. The leave camp were the one issue wonders
I don't even know where to start with this, uncontrolled immigration from the EU is an issue. As i see another twelve romanians settle into my workplace with over twenty children that need schooling, I obviously think yep we are fully prepared for this and the millions of others.
You patronise the voting population. What is happening since Brexit?
Yes, all three were flawed
How is there a since Brexit when we haven't left?
indeed
Not really, I think people were right to want a change but were lied to and mislead.
Obviously I was referring to the effects since brexit was announced, no need to be pedantic.
wasn't, my mistake, as someone has pedantically picked me up on lol
Well, yeah, but that's your opinion...and it's evident others who have a problem with immigration don't agree.
And Remainers didn't vote for sound-bites, or untruths from the establishment?
Leave the EU, and you will have no workers' rights or environmental protections. Yes i remember that one.
June 18th - IMF says Brexit would trigger UK recession
July 19th - IMF slashes UK growth forecasts after Brexit - but Britain will still outstrip Germany, France and Italy
Or...
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Of course some did. I'm talking in percentages and would say I much higher percentage of leave voters didn't know the effects of their vote.
Christ
Will any of us for some years to come?
It was somewhat easier for Remainers to know the effects of their vote though wasn't it.....just more of the same or "no change".
12 people working and paying taxes, reads like good news to me
But better than leaves
Their problem is their racism and xenophobia
The newest hard brexit group talked of slashing the burden of redtape imposed by the EU, so yes I'd be worried about your working rights and the environment
Yes.
Well, its clearly what you think they are because that is the easiest way to dismiss them. I wonder whether in fact you have no idea about them or the reasons, right or wrong for the way that they voted.
Personally I agree with you, that as a nation we should have voted to remain but I live in Rotherham and to say immigration has had no detrimental effects and that no one has any legitimate concerns about the issues it raises and the challenges it causes, that's denial.
Your blanket refusal to address the concerns and to castigate those who raise them as racists or xenophobes is why the political establishment can't respond to the challenge. I think people who hold your view are more dangerous than the racists because there will always be stupid racists and as long as we can argue the issues we can resolve them and move on but you and people like you can't argue the issues. You have already decided there aren't any and you are loosing on every front and in every country in the EU.
Carry on and see where it leads.
They should feel lucky to pay taxes in the uk.
How dare they send their kids to schools there?
Each action has an equal reaction and blaming a vulnerable section of the population for political means is dangerous.
The brexiters promised that once out they can cherry pick the deals they want (control over borders, unrestricted access to the single market, little contribution to the eu budget etc). I believe that they will end up with one hell of an egg on the face. In matter of fact Some had already noticed and resigned/applied for a second passport
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How does that respond to @Don't Kill Bill argument? Imo he is spot on.
In total (for the whole country) immigration is a net-positive, but for certain segments of society it is detrimental. It is fairly cynical to tell these people, that they have to shut up and take it, because it is "good for society". By no means does this justify the claims of the Brexit campaign, but it also means, that not everybody who is against immigration, is a racist. The immigrants (except those that are rich) don´t move to (upper) middle class neighbourhoods and compete with engineers or lawyers. They compete with low skilled workers for jobs and move to their areas.
The contempt that is lately shown towards parts of the (low-income)middle and working-class, because they don´t vote like the mainstream likes it, is quite mindboggling. I kind of expect that from conservatives, but not from the center-left......It pushes them toward extremists on both sides of the spectrum.
In total (for the whole country) immigration is a net-positive, but for certain segments of society it is detrimental. It is fairly cynical to tell these people, that they have to shut up and take it, because it is "good for society". By no means does this justify the claims of the Brexit campaign, but it also means, that not everybody who is against immigration, is a racist. The immigrants (except those that are rich) don´t move to (upper) middle class neighbourhoods and compete with engineers or lawyers. They compete with low skilled workers for jobs and move to their areas.
The contempt that is lately shown towards parts of the (low-income)middle and working-class, because they don´t vote like the mainstream likes it, is quite mindboggling. I kind of expect that from conservatives, but not from the center-left......It pushes them toward extremists on both sides of the spectrum.