Johnny Evans WBA player of the season

[stevoc]

The OP of that thread is that he is not good enough. Most people seemed to say the same. Keep him in the hope he can develop. He didn't and probably regressed. So moved on.

Seems you must have glanced over quite a few posts then mate below is only the first 10 or so replies, range of opinions but nothing too negative most seemed to rate him. If you read on it's largely the same. By the way i actually think we should have sold him also, the mistake we made was not buying someone good to replace him.

I think he's decent enough but has too many brain farts to be considered top class. Good squad player,

He's going to mature into a genuinely great player over the next 3 years

I like him

Squad player at the very most, we shouldn't be relying on him to be the cornerstone of our defence in the next few years.

Great player is a stretch, probably more like a very good one.

He's brilliant. Our best defender currently IMO

Still think he's our best defender at the moment, though.

He's great on the ball, which is something most of our other CB's sorely lack. He really does have an ability to collapse at moments though.

Probably the most underrated player we currently have. He has been by far our best defensive player this season

There's also this thread where people praise Rojo. The fact is he was actually very good in his first season. But that also seems to be forgotten

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rojo-and-smalling.398902/

Effectively we were right to move him on.

People probably have trouble remembering it because it didn't really happen mate. He had a few very good performances early on, City away i was impressed and then his form dipped and he started getting injured and hasn't really got back into the side since. It's been nearly 2 years since then and he's been pretty bad for the most part.

 

[prath92]

Seems you must have glanced over quite a few posts then mate below is only the first 10 or so replies, range of opinions but nothing too negative most seemed to rate him. If you read on it's largely the same. By the way i actually think we should have sold him also, the mistake we made was not buying someone good to replace him.

People probably have trouble remembering it because it didn't really happen mate. He had a few very good performances early on, City away i was impressed and then his form dipped and he started getting injured and hasn't really got back into the side since. It's been nearly 2 years since then and he's been pretty bad for the most part.

Not really. From the thread i linked,

Rojo has been better than I thought he would be. He is excellent when the ball is on the ground, but seems a little confused when it’s bouncing. Definitely very likeable pal.

Their atletism is phenomenal. Smalling can be in my opinion one of the top 3 defenders in this league, he is very strong, very fast, and has great reading of the game. He has it all and even his passing is not a problem when there are so many options in Carrick, Fellaini, Valencia and Rojo beside him.

Rojo also looks impressive physically. He’s a little like Jones but with some self-preservation instinct.

I will be delighted to see Smalling-Rojo-Shaw as our defence. IMO we should be looking for a right back to replace Valencia (I’m giving up on Rafa, unfortunately).

It's funny how just now Rojo's passing ability is being credited, now that the team is doing well. It was one of the few things I noticed about him in his first couple of games for United, where his ability to smack it right into the forward's feet from defence is clinical. His passing and distribution was criticized when we were doing poorly earlier on in the season

I am loving their partnership so far. I hope we don't meddle around too much with it when the likes of Jones and Evans come back since we need some consistency at the back.

They complement each other.
Both have good pace
Rojo has very impressive forward passing
Smalling is surprisingly good at bursting forward.

Impressive so far to say the least.

A like it a lot, both strong, quick and like to defend. A great partnership in the making (fitness willing).

 

[prath92]

Seems you must have glanced over quite a few posts then mate below is only the first 10 or so replies, range of opinions but nothing too negative most seemed to rate him. If you read on it's largely the same. By the way i actually think we should have sold him also, the mistake we made was not buying someone good to replace him.
People probably have trouble remembering it because it didn't really happen mate. He had a few very good performances early on, City away i was impressed and then his form dipped and he started getting injured and hasn't really got back into the side since. It's been nearly 2 years since then and he's been pretty bad for the most part.

Few evans' thread comments after his last game of that season (crystal palace away 2-1)

This guy couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery let alone our defense. Such a horrific player.

He's looked like a clown in the circus, trying to make people laugh with sheer stupidity.

As soon as saf left it was obvious he would be exposed for what he is and that certainly isn't a defender. Even when saf was here he only ever looked good when we were in control of a match.

He should have been sent packing after the city defeat at OT, when he managed to go from being goal side to not and then getting sent off.

i can't get over how utterly shite this guy has become for us, Im not even over reacting either every time this season he has come on he looks lost and petrified, I hope he is told to do one in the summer, punt him to sunderland

thought it was a no brainer he'd get sold, but Shaw and Smalling again showing how our defenders are made from glass made me wonder if we'll keep him for an extra body.
6th choice centre back next year. will probably still play 20-25 games!

He's regressed horribly. I won't be unhappy if he gets sold.

When he'd comically fallen over twice within about 3 minutes of being on the pitch you knew he would be way off the pace and of course he was.
I think it's a real shame how much he's struggled, there have been periods here and there where he's looked really good and even been a decent goal threat but he looks a mess now.

Can't see him being here next season. It's quite clear why we let Evans go and kept Rojo. Evans was our 4th/5th choice, which doesnt need replacing. It turned out that the first choice CB was Blind and we did try for Ramos and Otamendi so its not a stretch to imagine we did want to buy a CB but the right one wasnt available. for a squad player position, it was a no brainer between Rojo and Evans at the time. Maybe you didnt think so but majority did.


I think you underrate how shit he was that season. People rated him below Smalling Jones Rojo McNair Blackett

 

[balaks]

I think you underrate how shit he was that season. People rated him below Smalling Jones Rojo McNair Blackett

He obviously had lost a lot of confidence by that point and was far from his best however those who rated him below the likes of Jones, McNair, Blackett and Rojo were being ridiculous. He is a very good player, a high quality premiership level defender. Injuries and loss of confidence and form took their toll in the last year or so of his time at Utd but he did enough before that to have not been judged so harshly by some. He would get in the Man Utd side today imo.

 

[prath92]

He obviously had lost a lot of confidence by that point and was far from his best however those who rated him below the likes of Jones, McNair, Blackett and Rojo were being ridiculous. He is a very good player, a high quality premiership level defender. Injuries and loss of confidence and form took their toll in the last year or so of his time at Utd but he did enough before that to have not been judged so harshly by some. He would get in the Man Utd side today imo.

His confidence was shot the moment SAF left though. He wasn't confident much during that Moyes season and under LvG he was quite easily our worst player. MK Dons game, Liverpool home game etc. are just some of the games. I don't think he had more 2 good games that season. Even QPR at loftus road bullied him easily.

He wouldn't get in as anything more than a 4th choice CB (behind blind Smalling and Bailly in no order) and even there he wouldn't do much more than Rojo who is able to cover at LB as well. Both based on current level of performances for their clubs are still error prone CBs. He would count as home grown though I suppose so that's an advantage. High quality premiership defender? Yeah right.

All this is not even considering his injury record while with us.

 

[stevoc]

Few evans' thread comments after his last game of that season (crystal palace away 2-1)

I think you underrate how shit he was that season. People rated him below Smalling Jones Rojo McNair Blackett

Huh? That Palace game was in 2015, the thread i linked to was from 2014 which i did to highlight the general opinion fans had of him before he endured the worst season of his career. Way to completely miss the point.

Also shocker fans in kneejerk underrating of a player after a terrible season, no one with half a brain objectively rates McNair or Blackett above Evans.

Not really. From the thread i linked,

Yeah thats great but no posts in that thread are dated after December 2014, as i said he had some very good performances in the opening months of that season. Can't remember one since which was my point he had good games but not a good season, and out of interest here are some of the posts towards the end of that thread. And thats generally been the opinion of him since.

I can't believe people think Rojo is a good defender based on what we've seen so far.

He's a disaster. Needs to improve his decision making that's for sure. SMH!

He can't defend or header a ball but he can play a pass forward and is fast,

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Evans was horrible in his last season here.

He deserved to be sold after a season way below the required standard.

 

[prath92]

Huh? That Palace game was in 2015, the thread i linked to was from 2014 which i did to highlight the general opinion fans had of him before he endured the worst season of his career. Way to completely miss the point.

Also shocker fans in kneejerk underrating of a player after a terrible season, no one with half a brain objectively rates McNair or Blackett above Evans.



Yeah thats great but no posts in that thread are dated after December 2014, as i said he had some very good performances in the opening months of that season. Can't remember one since which was my point he had good games but not a good season, and out of interest here are some of the posts towards the end of that thread. And thats generally been the opinion of him since.

well, not at all. If you want comments for after december, here are a few comments in the last two pages of Rojo's 14/15 performance thread (all of which are posts from july 2015, long after december 2014)

I don't really think van Gaal cares for nationality a great deal. If that's the case, we might have signed Clyne instead of the impending arrival of Darmian.

Truth is LVG probably rates Jones higher than Rojo. I personally prefer Rojo, but it's nothing to do with whether a player is English or not.

Some incredibly harsh and forgetful posts in this thread of late. Rojo had plenty of good games last season. He didn't convince everybody all of the time, but a brief look through the thread marks make for much better reading than some of these past few posts.

It's easy to forget that he was bought into a chaotic defence. We were switching between three and four at the back, his playing partner would change every week, Wayne Rooney was his defensive midfielder and he could barely speak a word of English.

Rojo was an understated, fairly reliable constant for much of the past season and it's likely he'll look even better next season given we'll most likely be playing with a settled defence in a better team shape.

I'm a stickler for positioning, too, and it was generally good at centre half. It would tend to go awry at full back if anything.

No, it's actually utter bollocks that's being spouted here. Rojo was fine for us, at times doing as good job as Smalling who was our best defender last season.

Glad there are at least some people who saw what I did last season. Rojo had a decent first season and was our best centre back after Smalling.

I'd argue he is better then Jones, In fact he is considerably better IMO. Buttner? That comparison doesn't even make sense in the slightest, Yes he wasn't too good for us last season at LB in the few games he played there but at CB he was pretty good, Hoping he will improve more this coming season to.

He clearly showed us he is a stand in left back and when he played quite well at cb. Considering it was his first season in a new country he did well, although his spell in russia would of helped, even england is warmer than russia

People here just get notions and refuse to budge(see Roone worshipers and the other extreme who think he's worthless, Carrick, Kagawa, Nani and so forth). Rojo has lots of tattoo's,bad hair and is an aggressive defender so therefore is rash and makes mistakes. People don't seem to realise that there are more was to defend than sitting deep and backing off. When I was being coached we were often told to get touch-tight and don't allow the striker to turn, whilst the other CB covered. Here, Jones or Rojo usuall press higher and Smalling covers a lot but people don't notice at all. Rojo had bad games and made mistakes, but overall was solid. At the least he'll make a good backup for LB/CB in future seasons.

There are also 2 or 3 posters commenting he is not good enough but thats understandable given that every player will have his fans and haters, current smalling thread a case in point.

 

[Cheesy]

Evans was horrible in his last season here.

He deserved to be sold after a season way below the required standard.

Yeah, had some alright times but ultimately wasn't good enough for us.

 

[Cassidy]

Evans was horrible in his last season here.

He deserved to be sold after a season way below the required standard.

This. He showed mental fragility when the pressure was on and he buckled. Glad he has found his feet again though as he is a good player.

 

[Cascarino]

Didn't want him at all after his last season at United (though I liked him before previous to that) but wished we'd gone for him now, him and Williams would have been a good partnership.

 

[stevoc]

well, not at all. If you want comments for after december, here are a few comments in the last two pages of Rojo's 14/15 performance thread (all of which are posts from july 2015, long after december 2014)

There are also 2 or 3 posters commenting he is not good enough but thats understandable given that every player will have his fans and haters, current smalling thread a case in point.

Nothing in any those (no doubt carefully selected) posts contradicts anything i've said mate nor do any of them differ much from my own opinion on Rojo's first season.

They are from July yes but talking about the previous season, the gist of them being that he had some good games well yeah he did have good games which i have already said.

Anyway this is an Evans thread.

 

[prath92]

(Evans is) More than good enough for United especially as a back-up and better than Rojo who i can't remember turning in a decent performance in going on 2 years.

This is your post. You say he hasn't done anything decent since coming here but most of the posters felt his first season was solid and definitely an encouragement for the future.

Anyway yes this ain't the thread I guess . Peace out

 

[sincher]

Very good player who no longer fitted in at United. See also Pique, Di Maria, Nani, Tevez etc.

 

[Distracted Steward]

He obviously had lost a lot of confidence by that point and was far from his best however those who rated him below the likes of Jones, McNair, Blackett and Rojo were being ridiculous. He is a very good player, a high quality premiership level defender. Injuries and loss of confidence and form took their toll in the last year or so of his time at Utd but he did enough before that to have not been judged so harshly by some. He would get in the Man Utd side today imo.

I don't think he'd get into the squad, let alone the side.

 

[An Irish Red]

He would get in the Man Utd side today imo.

Smalling, Bailly and Blind are all comfortably better than him and I think that Jones, when he's fit, is better than him as well. He wouldn't get a game now.