Couldn't care less.
It seems like you do.
Mauricio Pochettino: Win or Bust?
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It seems like you do.
Odd thread. Why should be be under severe pressure when he's just come off a terrific season with Spurs? Heck, two out of Klopp, Mourinho, Wenger, Pep, Conte and Pochettino will miss out on CL football. And he should have less pressure on him than a number of them. Wenger has been at Arsenal for centuries. Mourinho has spent a fortune. Pep has spent a bigger fortune. And Klopp has a bigger reputation than him. Maybe last season has raised expectations but it has more likely given him more credit to last him awhile.
He's doing a very good job and I don't see any reason to think he's under severe pressure right now. Our own manager amongst others should be feeling the heat more.
He's doing a very good job and I don't see any reason to think he's under severe pressure right now. Our own manager amongst others should be feeling the heat more.
You wish.
You are small fly relative to the elite clubs across the continent. That's a lovely list of positives that you've compiled there, albeit lacking any mention of trophies. Spurs are still defined by choking at the key moment; last season was a massive missed opportunity for the club and Pochettino personally.
Haha we are defined by choking at the key moments, what drivel, we've hardly had any key moments to choke at.
I think the truth is in the middle, you aren't part of the top clubs in terms of revenue, trophies, history etc such as Barca, Real, Bayern, United, Juve etc
There is a level below that I think Spurs fall into, a good few years of winning some leagues & cups and I think Spurs will be knocking on the door.
Spurs didn't even fall in that level. There are clubs who won titles and made some impact in CL. Spurs achieved nothing to even consider them anywhere near level below the elite.
You realise of course that the only posters suggesting Spurs are anywhere near an 'elite' club' are man utd fans arguing with themselves assuming Spurs fans believe Spurs are an Elite club despite not a single Spurs fan ever making that claim? The mind boggles.
In that case you might as well say that every club in the world apart from 4 or 5 are "small fry" ... in which case such words become devalued and meaningless.
I pity the snobbish world of imagined 'super elitism' that you must live in when it comes to football.
You do realise that ManUtd fans don't agree with each other on everything? The post I quoted said Spurs are level below elite and I said they are not even on that level and they are far from that level.
Really mind boggles..
You seem to have quite an agenda, I never said Spurs are close to elite, I said they are in the bracket below and evening winning a few trophies in the next few years would only make them closer. How would you rate Spurs?
Perhaps my categories are too vague, the top tier is reserved for say 10-15 clubs, the second would be 16-30, that's where I feel Spurs currently are..
Re-read my post again - we both agree.
Who as you said in your original post is claiming that Spurs are near the elite clubs then? Out of interest, if you had to quantify it; where would Spurs rank at the moment in terms of everything, prestige, history, revenue, fan base, stadium, trophies etc in your opinion? For me they are behind us, Arsenal, Chelsea, City & Liverpool
Top tier clubs in Europe to me would be the likes of Barcelona,Real Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Juventus, Milan, Bayern, etc. - probably around 10 or so of them in Europe. In those terms then of course Spurs are not in that league in terms of support, money or history. Nobody is making that claim at all. I agree with you.
It may not be fair Glaston, but the reality is United are a far bigger club, as are Bayern/Barca and Real, what you have done though is improved to such an extent where players would no longer pick say, Liverpool, over you.
Any sensible poster would accept you've made great strides , perhaps you need to accept though that the top 4 will always have a special draw when it comes to players/managers.....including yours.
I understand that, I just wondered after those clubs you mentioned where you would place Spurs? Not for me to then debate etc it would just be interesting to hear from a Spurs supporter (don't know many in real life)
I think he just got a bit upset of the other posters terming of their size relative to the giants, they aren't a fly, that would be your local town FC...
@GlastonSpur I think usually your posts are insightful and interesting but you shouldn't get drawn on things like this, it looks petty..
Sadly that's not true, rewind it a couple of months ago and you'd have heard on this forum that Spurs are either on par or 'just below' Atletico from Spurs' fans.
I agree to a certain degree ALTHOUGH let's take City as an example - City 10 years ago would never have been seen as a club that any player would have chosen over Utd, Liverpool, etc. but now they definitely would. - In that sense the traditional big clubs can be overtaken (at least temporarily) by other clubs depending on financial weight or current perception of their success or chances of success. If West Ham (or any other club) as an example suddenly improved dramatically and consistently got into top 4 and champions league for a few years and the likes of Liverpool, Utd consistently fall below that level then I think you would find that some players would start seeing West Ham as a more attractive proposition than Utd, Liverpool.
Its transient but that hasnt been so obvious before due to the traditional big clubs also continuing to be the most successful - now every club in the Premiership is extremely wealthy and I think that over the coming seasons you might see the grip of the traditionally big clubs dwindle a bit compared to the past.
Well I can only speak for myself but I believe Spurs are a second tier club in England with the potential to be in the top tier if we can continue to improve and consistently get into top 4 from now on (plus we will have one of the biggest and best stadiums in the country soon) - in European terms we are again a second tier club below the likes of Barca/Madrid/Bayern, etc. but certainly on the level of any of the second tier clubs in other european top leagues (Napoli, Monaco, Dortmond as an example) or at the same level as the top teams of second tier European Leagues (Ajax, etc.)
I would argue that Athletico are not in the 'top tier' bracket of clubs tbf.
I think that's fair enough, I'm glad you didn't mention Sevilla in that 2nd bracket after their recent EL shenanigans, Dortmund are a funny team too but I get your point.
I don''t have any agenda, all I said is one good year (which is finishing 3rd) doesn't put them in a level below elite clubs. There are clubs like Atletico Madrid, Dortmund who have won the league titles and also made significant impact in CL. Spurs have achieved nothing to place them in level below elite clubs.
Fair enough if your lists is so big.
Edit: Looks like I thought your post for other spurs fan is for me.
But far more at higher level than Spurs, historically and even currently. IIRC some Spurs fan argued that Spurs are better team than Atletico just months ago.
Well I wouldnt argue that Atletico are on the same level as Spurs right now. Clearly Atletico are probably the one team in Europe not in the top tier of clubs but who are close to pushing themselves into that top tier. I would love to think that Spurs could replicate their success and level of performance over the next few years if we continue to improve. I actually think there are quite a lot of similarities between Pochettino and Simeone.
Lol ... United are no longer the "special draw" you so fondly imagine. You've qualified just once for the CL in the last 3 seasons ... and even then you got dumped out at the first hurdle. And you're left now playing Thursday night football, with a very decent chance you'll be doing so again next season.
The last player sold to United by Spurs was Berbatov - ancient history now - but that was back in days when United could be called a special draw. Now you're just another club struggling for a top four finish, with your 4th manager in the last 4 years, yet desperate to prove your 'elite' credibility by throwing a world-record fee around on a distinctly under-whelming player.
I'm sorry but this really bad. Who have Spurs bought recently that you believe choose them over other clubs for any reason other than playing time? We broke the world record on a player who some of the top clubs in the world wanted and he choose us, that's the special draw. Also why do we have a "very decent chance of playing EL next season? We have spent more than before, have a better manager, yet it's a very decent chance? Spurs are holding onto their players better admittedly but you don't have a world superstar that other clubs would want, when you did (In Bale), he went straight away, while DDG stayed and renewed. Spurs are closer to United then they've been in a long time on the field, but every other avenue you aren't, and you are considered to be going through a good time and us an awful time, I think it's fair to say United are pretty special draw, even Nedved said today about wishing he played here..
Both teams works their socks off and for me that's where similarity ends. Simeone is not afraid to spend big and Atletico Madrid is the team feared by almost every club in the world. In the last 3 years, Madrid are the only team who knocked out Atletico Madrid from CL. In this time period they eliminated Barca twice, Chelsea, Bayern. They were unbeaten against Juventus too.
They are elite club, at least currently only Madrid, Barca and Bayern are better than them and they have eliminated 2 out of the 3 clubs last season.
I think the thing we are disagreeing on here is what is an 'elite' club - if you look at recent results and success than yes I agree that Atletico are certainly in the top 5 clubs in Europe and are an 'elite club' however if we are rating them on worldwide support, wealth and history then Atletico are not an 'elite' club in the way that Barcelona, Man Utd, Juventus, etc. are.
Lol does it matter? The only thing that counts is what we do on the pitch and right now we are doing ok, not fantastic but certainly ok.
Yeah maybe. Historically they are not top level but currently they are within top 5 clubs in the world.
If it doesn't matter then don't post. It might matter to the person who asked the question and it wasn't even directed at you.
Truthfully there are only 2 mega clubs in world football and they are both Spanish.
There might be more money in the English game and because of it Englush clubs might be able to attract bigger sponsorships etc but no club touches the prestige held by Real Madrid & Barcelona. Under that Utd are the biggest club in England, Bayern in Germany, Juve in Italy, PSG in France etc.
Where we fall on that list is completely irrelevant to us, we are what we are and that's why clubs like Spurs, West Ham, Everton etc will always be big in their communities and have loyal local fanbases which works for us supporters of those level clubs.
There might be more money in the English game and because of it Englush clubs might be able to attract bigger sponsorships etc but no club touches the prestige held by Real Madrid & Barcelona. Under that Utd are the biggest club in England, Bayern in Germany, Juve in Italy, PSG in France etc.
Where we fall on that list is completely irrelevant to us, we are what we are and that's why clubs like Spurs, West Ham, Everton etc will always be big in their communities and have loyal local fanbases which works for us supporters of those level clubs.
Haha are you getting upset again, you haven't been thinking about Poch to PSG again have you?
If you think everyone cares about everything they post about then you are in for a big shock. Your desperation is funny though.
Ok....Pogba/Zlatan/Miki/Di Maria/Falcao
NONE of which would have joined Spurs....so jog on Glaston. Now i understand why you are ridiculed at every turn.