Mauricio Pochettino: Win or Bust?

On Barcelona you are probably right, although we've seen crazier things than playing for your rival and managing them for 3 years early in his career. Don't think Barca fans hold a grudge for him.

Atletico are on another level compared to Spurs at the moment. Spurs played couple of times in CL since the inception of PL while Atletico were in two of the last couple of finals. Plus - living in his home country, etc.

Arsenal, City, United - all can offer him better terms than Spurs, better budget to work with (with the exception of Arsenal), better chance at silverware, etc.

He is from Argentina. Yes those other clubs can offer him money but when you hear what he says and sees how he conducts himself, he is a very respectful and humble man - I do not believe he would move to another English club once he leaves Spurs.
 
plus Barcelona, Atletico Madrid(if Simeone leaves), United, City and probably Arsenal.
Pochettino isn't a player, but a manager. While that sounds obvious, I mean that as in he won't be looking for the same characteristics in a club that a player might look for. Real is the best example. A player sees Real and often perceives them as the pinnacle of football and the ultimate club to be at. For a manager, it's an unstable club with an overbearring owner who swaps managers on a whim. Barca is slightly better, but then his past ties with Espanyol may rule them out of the running.

IMO, for a manager, there's no better job in world football than United at the moment. We are very (sometimes too) patient with out managers and give them every chance to succeed, have the financial muscle to carry out the manager's instructions and are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Saying that however, I don't see him leaving Spurs out of choice for a long time. He seems to be building something good over there.
 
What makes you say this, I believe it was reported a year ago or so that his dream job woul dbe Barcelona and I could see why, he would be a perfect transition for their style. Imagine the style they have now posession mixed with counter attacking, Poch would add a hard press to that. Would be some sight.

Also those saying he doesnt suit Madrids ethos, completely wrong, Madrid have taken an absolute battering by us lately, De Gea followed by Pogba, financially they are slipping from a place of power and they are now becoming a more humble and process driven team. Regaining Morata, promoting Asensio they will likely sell Bale soon, and phase out Ronaldo. The galactico era is almost over for them, Poch would be a wonderful choice if ZZ left.

He would be fantastic for Real Madrid IF they give him the time required to implement his style of play there which is debatable given the rate they tend to change managers - I have no doubt he will manage in Spain again and I've no doubt it will be for one of the very top clubs there but I do not think it will happen in the next 2 or 3 years.
 
Barcelona will never appoint him due to the Espanyol history - I do not think he would move to another club in England personally and most certainly not Arsenal. The only one out of those you could make a case for would be Athletico but what could he achieve there that he couldn't achieve at Spurs if he is able to continue improving them? Plus you need to consider the upcoming stadium, etc.

Yes. I think Pochettino will be with us until at least the end of the first season in our new stadium ... which means for at least the next three seasons including this one.

And he may stay even longer. From his comments, it seems he's genuinely attracted by the idea of building a dynasty at Spurs.
 
He is from Argentina. Yes those other clubs can offer him money but when you hear what he says and sees how he conducts himself, he is a very respectful and humble man - I do not believe he would move to another English club once he leaves Spurs.
Yeah my bad, by home country I mean the country he's most settled with, having spent 13 years of his life there. He did move from Soton to Spurs so I don't think that would be a problem for him..
 
Yeah my bad, by home country I mean the country he's most settled with, having spent 13 years of his life there. He did move from Soton to Spurs so I don't think that would be a problem for him..

The move from Southampton to Spurs happened because of the changes behind the scenes at Southampton - very different situation than what is happening at Spurs.
 
Pochettino isn't a player, but a manager. While that sounds obvious, I mean that as in he won't be looking for the same characteristics in a club that a player might look for. Real is the best example. A player sees Real and often perceives them as the pinnacle of football and the ultimate club to be at. For a manager, it's an unstable club with an overbearring owner who swaps managers on a whim. Barca is slightly better, but then his past ties with Espanyol may rule them out of the running.

IMO, for a manager, there's no better job in world football than United at the moment. We are very (sometimes too) patient with out managers and give them every chance to succeed, have the financial muscle to carry out the manager's instructions and are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Saying that however, I don't see him leaving Spurs out of choice for a long time. He seems to be building something good over there.

I think the days of managers spending 10 years in a single club is long gone. Wenger will be the last of its kind. We all thought that Klopp will be like forever at Dortmund, yet he arguably took a step down joining Liverpool.

Of course joining one of the giant clubs in the world has its own downsides but when will he be able to get a shot at the CL title with Spurs? He might not have the same time as in Spurs, nor the same comfortable job, but joining Real would mean a chance for La Liga title, CL title and put his name up there with the likes of Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti etc. Even if he doesn't succeed he will find another job easily(Moyes is obviously an exception as he was out of sorts at United) like Pellegrini did. He's still young but also has some experience to get a good job even if he fails.

As for Barca, I don't think the fans will turn on him due to past history with Espanyol - two of the last three managers Milan appointed for example played for Inter during their careers and IMO it's not that important for a manager, compared to a player nowadays.

He's on a roll at Spurs at the moment, but it's hard to look past a better opportunity when you have one. Look it this way if he rejects a move to a bigger club when he's on a high note, what's the guarantee he'll have the same chance 4-5 years from now when things might not be so rosy at Spurs?
 
The move from Southampton to Spurs happened because of the changes behind the scenes at Southampton - very different situation than what is happening at Spurs.
It doesn't really matter, mate. There's always plenty of side factors in every move. Why wouldn't he accept a move to City for example? Better paycheck, better players, bigger budget and better chance to win the league?
 
Barcelona will never appoint him due to the Espanyol history - I do not think he would move to another club in England personally and most certainly not Arsenal.

Why not? He'll have millions to spend, a ready made and paid for stadium and a club with a genuine chance to win things every season.
 
It doesn't really matter, mate. There's always plenty of side factors in every move. Why wouldn't he accept a move to City for example? Better paycheck, better players, bigger budget and better chance to win the league?

Because like I said earlier, I do not think he is the type of man to leave before he feels his job is done and not the kind of man to move to a rival club in the same league. I could be wrong but everything the man has said and done since he came to Spurs has made me believe that he is a very honorable man. He will leave Spurs at some point but barring some kind of disaster I do not believe he will leave before he feels he has achieved what he wanted to do here. He will go to Spain imo.

He has full backing from Levy, he has the prospect of a new stadium to look forward to - he has built a young, vibrant squad in his own image, designed to play the way he wants the club to play - this all has taken time to build and it is getting good results, with potential to do even better. I think he would think twice about leaving Spurs because he would not be guaranteed to have the support of the club and the patience and complete support of a chairman that he has here at the moment.
 
Because like I said earlier, I do not think he is the type of man to leave before he feels his job is done and not the kind of man to move to a rival club in the same league. I could be wrong but everything the man has said and done since he came to Spurs has made me believe that he is a very honorable man. He will leave Spurs at some point but barring some kind of disaster I do not believe he will leave before he feels he has achieved what he wanted to do here. He will go to Spain imo.

He has full backing from Levy, he has the prospect of a new stadium to look forward to - he has built a young, vibrant squad in his own image, designed to play the way he wants the club to play - this all has taken time to build and it is getting good results, with potential to do even better. I think he would think twice about leaving Spurs because he would not be guaranteed to have the support of the club and the patience and complete support of a chairman that he has here at the moment.

And Poch isn't stupid. Everyone knows all the backing and support is only when results are good. Moment spurs hit rough patch and his job will be under pressure.
 
And Poch isn't stupid. Everyone knows all the backing and support is only when results are good. Moment spurs hit rough patch and his job will be under pressure.

True and I did have the caveat in previous posts that if we had a dramatic downturn in form that lasted +6 months then he would be under pressure as any other manager would be - but right now there is no evidence that is at all likely to happen.
 
Because like I said earlier, I do not think he is the type of man to leave before he feels his job is done and not the kind of man to move to a rival club in the same league. I could be wrong but everything the man has said and done since he came to Spurs has made me believe that he is a very honorable man. He will leave Spurs at some point but barring some kind of disaster I do not believe he will leave before he feels he has achieved what he wanted to do here. He will go to Spain imo.

He has full backing from Levy, he has the prospect of a new stadium to look forward to - he has built a young, vibrant squad in his own image, designed to play the way he wants the club to play - this all has taken time to build and it is getting good results, with potential to do even better. I think he would think twice about leaving Spurs because he would not be guaranteed to have the support of the club and the patience and complete support of a chairman that he has here at the moment.

This is the key factor IMO. He knows that he's got some very good players on his hands now, all gelled together with fantastic team spirit, including a fair few young players who will likely only get better. And he can see the additional talents now coming down the youth pipeline into the senior squad: Carter-Vickers, Marcus Edwards, Harry Winks and more.

I think he'll want to stay with them, develop it all further and see how far he can take them. And I think that he believes he can take them far.
 
True and I did have the caveat in previous posts that if we had a dramatic downturn in form that lasted +6 months then he would be under pressure as any other manager would be - but right now there is no evidence that is at all likely to happen.

Because things are rosy now.
 
Because things are rosy now.

Well, things have been getting better pretty much continuously ever since he arrived. There's no solid reason for supposing that's about to change.
 
Because things are rosy now.

I choose to base my judgement and opinion on things that have actually occurred and continue to occur rather than speculate on something that has not occurred or may not occur. He has consistently improved the team, the results are consistently improving - can it all go wrong? Of course - Is there anything happening at the moment to suggest it will all go wrong anytime soon? No.
 
Gav81 isn't impressed by Pochettino's body of work but he'd have Roy Keane in the United job tomorrow. And he's got the quotes to back it up!

In that case I think Gav81 gets my full support - Man Utd should go for Keane and ignore Pochettino who is crap obviously. I speak for all Spurs fans when I say this.
 
I choose to base my judgement and opinion on things that have actually occurred and continue to occur rather than speculate on something that has not occurred or may not occur. He has consistently improved the team, the results are consistently improving - can it all go wrong? Of course - Is there anything happening at the moment to suggest it will all go wrong anytime soon? No.

I'm basing my assumption on how Levy has treated managers over the years and I don't see it changing when things starts going wrong. This isnt FM save where you can always start new one, you get 1 chance at bigger job and you take it when the opportunity knocks the door. No offense but some of the posts are like FMesque objective like signing all wonderkids and see how they grow together.
 
I'm basing my assumption on how Levy has treated managers over the years and I don't see it changing when things starts going wrong. This isnt FM save where you can always start new one, you get 1 chance at bigger job and you take it when the opportunity knocks the door. No offense but some of the posts are like FMesque objective like signing all wonderkids and see how they grow together.

Levy has never backed a manager in the way he has backed Pochettino - I'm not being naive, I know he will leave at some point but unlike you I do not see him leaving anytime soon - I see many reasons that he will be here for several more years at least. Real Madrid could come in for him in the next year and I'm sure he would think long and hard about it and might decide to go for it but other than that I just don't see it.
 
Levy has never backed a manager in the way he has backed Pochettino - I'm not being naive, I know he will leave at some point but unlike you I do not see him leaving anytime soon - I see many reasons that he will be here for several more years at least. Real Madrid could come in for him in the next year and I'm sure he would think long and hard about it and might decide to go for it but other than that I just don't see it.

Fair enough if you believe that, for me it's very clear he will take better offers if offered.
 
plus Barcelona, Atletico Madrid(if Simeone leaves), United, City and probably Arsenal.

No chance but nice try, Barca won't happen for obvious reasons, Atletico have Simeone and I very much doubt he's going anywhere, Arsenal there's more chance of pigs flying, City have Pep and the other plays Thursday night football )).
 
Pochettino isn't a player, but a manager. While that sounds obvious, I mean that as in he won't be looking for the same characteristics in a club that a player might look for. Real is the best example. A player sees Real and often perceives them as the pinnacle of football and the ultimate club to be at. For a manager, it's an unstable club with an overbearring owner who swaps managers on a whim. Barca is slightly better, but then his past ties with Espanyol may rule them out of the running.

IMO, for a manager, there's no better job in world football than United at the moment. We are very (sometimes too) patient with out managers and give them every chance to succeed, have the financial muscle to carry out the manager's instructions and are one of the biggest clubs in the world.

Saying that however, I don't see him leaving Spurs out of choice for a long time. He seems to be building something good over there.

You are right in a lot of that, Pochettino and Real don't fit each other. Pochettino believes in teams, he is schooled by Bielsa and it's very evident how much he buys into a group philosophy. Real is the complete opposite, it's all about the Galactico approach.
 
No chance but nice try, Barca won't happen for obvious reasons, Atletico have Simeone and I very much doubt he's going anywhere, Arsenal there's more chance of pigs flying, City have Pep and the other plays Thursday night football )).

As others mentioned I don't think those obvious reasons will stand in the way if Barca believe he's their man - he has close to their "philosophy" which makes him a good fit.

Atletico - as I said if Simeone decides to move forward or entertain a new challenge.

Arsenal are more outsiders but have more chance of winning silverware and will give him a better paycheck(considering how much Wenger is payed). He also fits their style.

Pep is unlikely to stay there for more than 2-3 years based on his experience so far.

Spurs play more Thursday night football than the others mentioned, not to mention they could very well do so even this season.
 
Pochettino made it clear that his dream job is Madrid then he also said PSG is in his plans. But not sure Madrid will go for him, last few times they have gone for manager who win titles. Zidane is exception for obvious reasons.
 
No chance but nice try, Barca won't happen for obvious reasons, Atletico have Simeone and I very much doubt he's going anywhere, Arsenal there's more chance of pigs flying, City have Pep and the other plays Thursday night football )).

Exactly so.

Besides, I know that some opposition fans like to make out that Spurs are some small fry club from which Pochettino could be easily lured away, but the reality is quite different.

We're soon to move into what will be one of the very best stadiums in Europe, soon to move into the global top 10 of clubs ranked by income, have a state-of-the art training complex, have sold out all of our CL games at Wembley and in the process broken the record for the biggest ever UK attendance for a home CL game.

Pochettino is in a very, very good place being at rising club like Spurs - and I think he knows it.
 
Pochettino made it clear that his dream job is Madrid then he also said PSG is in his plans. But not sure Madrid will go for him, last few times they have gone for manager who win titles. Zidane is exception for obvious reasons.

He didn't say PSG was in his plans at all.

He was asked by a Parisian radio station what he thought of PSG and if he would like to manage them. He merely replied that they are a great club and of course he would be interested one day in such a job.

Seriously what do people expect him to say, PSG play in a crap league and I have no interest in managing a team in this league?
 
He didn't say PSG was in his plans at all.

He was asked by a Parisian radio station what he thought of PSG and if he would like to manage them. He merely replied that they are a great club and of course he would be interested one day in such a job.

Seriously what do people expect him to say, PSG play in a crap league and I have no interest in managing a team in this league?

Not answering question is also an option. Also looking at his answer it's not just answering question.
 
Not answering question is also an option. Also looking at his answer it's not just answering question.

Would be a weird radio interview where somebody gets asked a question and then sits in silence. He gave a diplomatic answer, nothing more, nothing less.
 
Would be a weird radio interview where somebody gets asked a question and then sits in silence. He gave a diplomatic answer, nothing more, nothing less.

There are more than 1 way of not answering the question.
 
Yep like giving a diplomatic answer like he did, or Dj you really believe he's so desperate to go to PSG?

It's actually pretty funny.

It's not funny, it's delusion to think he will reject bigger offers just to stay at Spurs.
 
It's not funny, it's delusion to think he will reject bigger offers just to stay at Spurs.

He clearly just gave a polite answer to the PSG radio question. But in any case it's highly debateable that he'd consider PSG a bigger offer than staying in the Prem at Spurs.
 
Pochettino is a quite magic manager.

He guided Espanyol to the bottom of La Liga, got sacked and... 'abracadabra!'... gets a job in the Premier League.

He then took a very good Southampton team to a mid-table finish and... 'abracadabra!'... lands at Spurs.

He then failed to finish above the Gooners, topped the worst Man Utd side in recent history by only 4pts and otherwise failed to make an impact in a season where all the big boys were below par and... 'abracadabra!'... "big European clubs will be circling".

I don't get the hype.
You should probably abracadabra yourself out of this thread.
 
No chance but nice try, Barca won't happen for obvious reasons, Atletico have Simeone and I very much doubt he's going anywhere, Arsenal there's more chance of pigs flying, City have Pep and the other plays Thursday night football )).
I very much doubt there are any obvious reasons for him not to take Barca. Barca if they want him won't just reject him because of his Espanyol past, and he won't reject the opportunity to coach Barca and at the same time have a huge chance to win trophies just because of his Espanyol past.

And Simeone just reduced his Atletico contract from 2020 to 2018.
Things change quickly in football so I don't think you can say with certainty about almost anyone that "he is not going anywhere ".
 
I quite like Poch, he's shown to be a good manager who has a style of play that is both effective and entertaining. That said he's never actually won anything, I'm not saying he won't do in the future but until he does I think it wouldn't be wise to presume the likes of Madrid and Barca would be after him. These are two of the absolute elite clubs, and as it stands Pochettino isn't an elite manager. He's someone who has worked well with some good sides at Spurs and Southampton.