David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job

anant said:
Look at Van Gaal. He had achieved a lot, actually, one of his greatest achievements was taking an average Dutch side to 3rd place in WCs just before he began work with us full time. He had experience winning things and had managed top players.
We spent 250m on players and were no closer to winning the PL even then.
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LVG's CV is quite impressive but after a careful look you'll start noticing some issues. For example LVG last won the CL in 1995 and that despite spending most of his career with Bayern and Barcelona. The last time he won anything of note was in 2009-2010. That's around 6 years ago. He also got sacked by both Barcelona and Bayern after messing up badly there. How can a manager fail making it to CL qualification with Bayern? I mean Bayern is the German's answer to Scotland's Celtic.

Sure he was impressive with Holland national team ie an old man's job. It was pretty evident that at club level he was past his date.
 
devilish said:
Moyes was seriously out of depth with United. However I see him as yet another consequence of flawed strategy that crippled us rather then the main reason why we fecked up big time .

Seriously what did we really planned to achieved with him? The man was given one of the biggest jobs in football despite having no experience in managing a big club, he had no experience in winning anything and he had never managed top players. If you put a sandwich maker as CEO of Microsoft, then its not really he's fault if the business goes tits up. It wouldn't be his fault if he compares one of his directors with Jonny his assistant sandwich maker. That's the world this guy knows.

There's absolutely little difference between trying to replace SAF with Moyes and trying to replace Rio with Jones, Ronaldo with Valencia, Scholes with Cleverley and Giggs with Young. We're still suffering from the consequences of it because these gaps can't be sorted by simply throwing money at them. Even top quality managers (we finally got one) need time to sort this mess and players need time to settle down.
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Good post.
 
Much as I dislike Moyes and worshiped SAF, it's not as though Moyes applied for the job.

The nightmare of Moyes was down 100% to SAF choosing him whan hardly any of us on here would have chosen him to take over.

Moyes and, let's say, perhaps, Bebe just proved that SAF is human after all.
 
Christ, I actually wanted him to do well. He's bringing on all the bullies. Ugly sight
 
devilish said:
LVG's CV is quite impressive but after a careful look you'll start noticing some issues. For example LVG last won the CL in 1995 and that despite spending most of his career with Bayern and Barcelona. The last time he won anything of note was in 2009-2010. That's around 6 years ago. He also got sacked by both Barcelona and Bayern after messing up badly there. How can a manager fail making it to CL qualification with Bayern? I mean Bayern is the German's answer to Scotland's Celtic.

Sure he was impressive with Holland national team ie an old man's job. It was pretty evident that at club level he was past his date.
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If you want to go after the sacking thing, then you will possibly be left with only a coupe of managers who have never been sacked (I think only Pep and Klopp(?) among the elite managers). I mean you can go after Ancelloti after he failed to win Ligue 1 with PSG. There will hardly be any manager who have a squeaky clean CV. Mou failed to win CL with RM and Chelsea despite having spent some insane amounts. And saying NT job is for old men is rejecting the fact that he was tactically pretty good for them.
It;'s easy to say now, but when we hired LVG, we felt we were getting someone who had done well, and can attract players(which he did). Similarly, for Moyes, we did feel that if he can consistently take an average Everton side to top 6 without any major transfer spend, think what he'd do when he has it!
It's sad that it didn't work out with us, and that stint has left him short of confidence and has basically ruined his career. Had he stayed and retired at Everton, he may have, arguably, been remembered as top 10 PL-era manager of all time, but now he'd struggle to be in top 20-25
 
Full bodied red said:
Much as I dislike Moyes and worshiped SAF, it's not as though Moyes applied for the job.

The nightmare of Moyes was down 100% to SAF choosing him whan hardly any of us on here would have chosen him to take over.

Moyes and, let's say, perhaps, Bebe just proved that SAF is human after all.
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The idea was that we would hire a manager that would stay here for another 10-15 years and provide continuity. The problem was that even though Moyes was the only available manager with proven history of staying at one club for a long time, it was for a reason.
 
Full bodied red said:
Much as I dislike Moyes and worshiped SAF, it's not as though Moyes applied for the job.

The nightmare of Moyes was down 100% to SAF choosing him whan hardly any of us on here would have chosen him to take over.

Moyes and, let's say, perhaps, Bebe just proved that SAF is human after all.
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Fergie has now rowed back from that 'chosen one' statement, and suggests Moyes was simply the only available alternative left.

The club fecked up big time in its succession planning and all the top candidates had gone elsewhere by the time Fergie retired. That's why we ended up with this clown.
 
iKeano said:
I wish I made half as much money as Moyes does for being as totally and utterly terrible as my job as Moyes is.

I've said it from day 1. He over-achieved personally at Everton in that he floated an average team with no real attempt to compete (one cup final in 7yrs).... he'd have been found out and binned off eventually had Fergie not had a Scottish brainfart when full of red wine some night & inexplicably handed him the keys to OT.

Preston was Moyes finest hour & I dare say they wouldn't touch him with a barge pole now. Sunderland showed their shambolic lack of ambition by appointing this unlikeable disease of a man.

Coming off the back of Leicester winning the league from the same spot that Sunderland finished last season, it was the perfect "anyone can win it" opportunity... but no. They appoint Gollum and he says they're in a relegation battle after 2games. They deserve each other.

I look forward to them all being relegated so I won't have to see Grey-face on MOTD and will only thereafter be subject to his sporadic outbursts of how he "should have got more time at Utd".... go away Moyes, just go away you complete charlatan.
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I have to disagree with you there mate, it was only one cup final in 11 years.
 
anant said:
If you want to go after the sacking thing, then you will possibly be left with only a coupe of managers who have never been sacked (I think only Pep and Klopp(?) among the elite managers). I mean you can go after Ancelloti after he failed to win Ligue 1 with PSG. There will hardly be any manager who have a squeaky clean CV. Mou failed to win CL with RM and Chelsea despite having spent some insane amounts. And saying NT job is for old men is rejecting the fact that he was tactically pretty good for them.
It;'s easy to say now, but when we hired LVG, we felt we were getting someone who had done well, and can attract players(which he did). Similarly, for Moyes, we did feel that if he can consistently take an average Everton side to top 6 without any major transfer spend, think what he'd do when he has it!
It's sad that it didn't work out with us, and that stint has left him short of confidence and has basically ruined his career. Had he stayed and retired at Everton, he may have, arguably, been remembered as top 10 PL-era manager of all time, but now he'd struggle to be in top 20-25
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This is not a i told you so post. All i am saying is that as the best club in the world (at least that what the propaganda said) we should have aimed for better people than a man who never won anything and a football relic. Prior to signing with us saf had a better cv then these two and that despite being 1/5 the club we are now
 
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devilish said:
This is not a i told you so post. All i am saying is that as the best club in the world (at least that what the propaganda said) we should have aimed for better people than a man who never won anything and a football relic. Prior to signing with us saf had a better cv then the two and we were 1/5 the club we are now
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Apart from RM and Chelsea and Bayern, every club was hiring managers who have done well in the past but not achieved anything significant: Barca, BVB, PSG(Blanc was unknown then), Juve and all. Among the 3 clubs, Bayern was the only one that had been doing well, although they hadn't won the CL for 12 years till that time. The other 2 were sacking managers nearly every season. So, I won't blame SAF for taking a gamble on someone like Moyes. As for Moyes, no one would reject the chance of managing one of the biggest clubs in the world
 
Can't see Sunderland sticking by him too much longer 2 points from 8 games, he's definitely gone by Christmas
 
Oaencha said:
Snap. The horror of that miserable fecking clown face led me to the Red Cafe as well. I was getting so frustrated and as none of my friends are Utd fans, I had no-one to grieve with.
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That was such a tough time to be a United fan.

Stuck between top redz United fans telling you to stand behind the manager that lambasted anyone that dared to question what everyone could see,opposition fans lecturing us about patience and us being spoilt and an English media blaming everyone but the charlatan.
 
devilish said:
LVG's CV is quite impressive but after a careful look you'll start noticing some issues. For example LVG last won the CL in 1995 and that despite spending most of his career with Bayern and Barcelona. The last time he won anything of note was in 2009-2010. That's around 6 years ago. He also got sacked by both Barcelona and Bayern after messing up badly there. How can a manager fail making it to CL qualification with Bayern? I mean Bayern is the German's answer to Scotland's Celtic.

Sure he was impressive with Holland national team ie an old man's job. It was pretty evident that at club level he was past his date.
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Vab Gaal won 20 major trophies in his career.

15 of those were before the year 2000.

The trend was there.
 
anant said:
Apart from RM and Chelsea and Bayern, every club was hiring managers who have done well in the past but not achieved anything significant: Barca, BVB, PSG(Blanc was unknown then), Juve and all. Among the 3 clubs, Bayern was the only one that had been doing well, although they hadn't won the CL for 12 years till that time. The other 2 were sacking managers nearly every season. So, I won't blame SAF for taking a gamble on someone like Moyes. As for Moyes, no one would reject the chance of managing one of the biggest clubs in the world
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The serie a and the french league is as one sided as can be. Even a trained monkey cn win the league with juventus. Real, chelsea, bayern they all had top managers.

We claimed to be the best club in the world while we were busy replacing the likes of scholes, saf, giggs and co with clev, moyes, young and co. No wonder why we ended shite
 
Ellis Short really loves Moyes. I dont know if the sack is as guaranteed as a lot of people think. I think Short has ran out of options to get them out of this mess. Who is left to bring in? Unless Mark Hughes gets the sack and they bring him in, Sunderland have taken everyone off the managerial merry-go-round over the last few years.
 
FujiVice said:
Ellis Short really loves Moyes. I dont know if the sack is as guaranteed as a lot of people think. I think Short has ran out of options to get them out of this mess. Who is left to bring in? Unless Mark Hughes gets the sack and they bring him in, Sunderland have taken everyone off the managerial merry-go-round over the last few years.
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According to reports, Short had indeed wanted Moyes for years but the 2016 post-United/post-Real Sociedad version of Moyes may be very different from the manager Short had admired at Everton. If things don't improve soon, Short will be forced to act as the situation will be irretrievable. As for replacements, Allardyce might take it if there was a large bonus included for keeping them up.
 
Sarni said:
The idea was that we would hire a manager that would stay here for another 10-15 years and provide continuity. The problem was that even though Moyes was the only available manager with proven history of staying at one club for a long time, it was for a reason.
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Understand what you're saying, but even five years ago, the only managers who stayed with a club for a long time were managers who won things....Were successful....Moyes was never going to win anything or be successful, so in my opinion a useless appointment.

Whatever....On the other thread, four or five weeks ago, I nominated Moyes as my first PL sacking....Shit team, shit manager, it's a no-brainer....
 
FujiVice said:
Ellis Short really loves Moyes. I dont know if the sack is as guaranteed as a lot of people think. I think Short has ran out of options to get them out of this mess. Who is left to bring in? Unless Mark Hughes gets the sack and they bring him in, Sunderland have taken everyone off the managerial merry-go-round over the last few years.
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He might get tricked by Moyes' constant blabbering about basically needing an entire new team and give him time until January and money to make changes then. Which would probably be the worst thing he could do in their current position as it would likely end up with smug Dave dithering and eventually getting random players, immediatelly telling press that these players are not good enough and he had wanted a better quality of players but could not get them because Sunderland is not a desirable destination for players. He would then get relegated and blame it all on players who did not deserve to play for a Champions League manager like himself.
 
Full bodied red said:
Understand what you're saying, but even five years ago, the only managers who stayed with a club for a long time were managers who won things....Were successful....Moyes was never going to win anything or be successful, so in my opinion a useless appointment.

Whatever....On the other thread, I nominated Moyes as my first PL sacking....Shit team, shit manager, it's a no-brainer....
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I think the idea that since he did reasonably well with the resources provided at Everton, he could make a smooth transition and do well at United too. What was overlooked is that managing a club without any expectation is different. Six-year contract was meant as a proof of trust but nobody considered at the time that he would be this bad, a top 4 finish was a foregone conclusion for a club that got it for the previous 20 seasons or so. If he had finished 3rd or 4th he would have obviously got time and opportunity to build something new.
 
FujiVice said:
Ellis Short really loves Moyes. I dont know if the sack is as guaranteed as a lot of people think. I think Short has ran out of options to get them out of this mess. Who is left to bring in? Unless Mark Hughes gets the sack and they bring him in, Sunderland have taken everyone off the managerial merry-go-round over the last few years.
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I seriously wonder what the problem is there, they are just perpetually poor.
 
I remember when Sunderland lined up with this:

------- Cattermole------
Malbranque----Henderson
Wellbeck---------Gyan
--------Bent--------

That was probably the last time they werent making up the numbers and/or fighting relegation. I remember they hammered Chelsea 3-0 at Stamford Bridge.
 
I was listening to Talkshite earlier, that Presspass nonsense, and this wanker from the press was defending Moyes to the hilt.

He must be giving half his severance pay to journalists to get an easy ride, or something. :wenger:
 
Sassy Colin said:
I was listening to Talkshite earlier, that Presspass nonsense, and this wanker from the press was defending Moyes to the hilt.

He must be giving half his severance pay to journalists to get an easy ride, or something. :wenger:
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AVB - a promising and actually a very young manager - was attacked by the media as if he was a criminal, while the 52 year old intern Moyes got a free pass at United for almost an entire season.
 
Angelinho said:
He's won both his EFL Cup ties:

EFL Cup - Third Round QPR 1-2 Sunderland
EFL Cup - Second Round Sunderland 1-0 Shrewsbury
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"If you can't beat them, join them..." Give him more time. There is no Sunderland this time on his team's way to the EFL Cup Final this time.That club deserves this type of manager. A match made in heaven
 
He should retire and become a pundit. Obviously has the charismatic chops for it.
 
Taxx said:
He should retire and become a pundit. Obviously has the charismatic chops for it.
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:nono: Who in their right mind would pay to listen to David fecking Moyes' mood polluting punditry? Imagine Moyes having hours every week talking about his wonderful work at United, and if he was treated rightfully and GIVEN enough time...

Him being without a job for few months and couldn't STFU about United. If anything this man should just stay at Sunderland and then them can both disappear into oblivion together.
 
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ti vu said:
:nono: Who in their right mind would pay to listen to David fecking Moyes' mood polluting punditry? Imagine Moyes having hours every week talking about his wonderful work at United, and if he was treated rightfully and GIVEN enough time...

Him being without a job for few months and couldn't STFU about United. If anything this man should just stay at Sunderland and then them can both disappear into oblivion together.
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I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. Obviously. Because who in their right mind would want to watch him on the telly?!
 
Taxx said:
I'm sorry, I was being sarcastic. Obviously. Because who in their right mind would want to watch him on the telly?!
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No worry. I am just want to take advantage to vent out the the frustration on how this manager can get away with anything being an absolute fraud
 
SirHenryPercy said:
I seriously wonder what the problem is there, they are just perpetually poor.
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Maybe too many managers in a short space of time? Since Bruce got sacked in November 2011 they've had six different managers and a couple of DOFs. It won't happen, but maybe they should stick with Moyes regardless, if they're relegated, then so be it, let Moyes continue and see if he can get them straight back up and actually build a solid team like he did at Everton. They won't do that of course, they'll sack Moyes and get someone in who then saves them, and things then turns to shit again in 12 months.
 
Oh dear. I genuinely feel sorry for him. He had a stable job at Everton .. It has all gone wrong
 
Sack him and get big Sam back.

The money Moyes will have made out of his redundancies over the past 3 years is sickening!
 
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