Jose : "They are not the last wonder of the world like you say they are"
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True! Knew there was somebody I was missing, haha. Obviously not match fit yet.
I've seen us against LvG's Utd, handing you the game and a lifeline to get your season back on track. For a little while at least.
Not having that repeated is good.
The season has 30 games left and we're 5 points behind the top. We're doing fine.
Mourinho can really kill a club flr neutral supporters. I guess United fans can be happy with a draw against this Liverpool squad, but if you put it into perspective, they bought Wijnaldum, you bought Pogba. Is the aim to be around their level now?
United should try to win at Anfield not somewhat celebrate a draw in which De Gea's superhuman reflexes are the o ly thing giving you a point. Van Gaal was terrible to watch, but Mourinho is just as bad imho.
United should try to win at Anfield not somewhat celebrate a draw in which De Gea's superhuman reflexes are the o ly thing giving you a point. Van Gaal was terrible to watch, but Mourinho is just as bad imho.
Who's celebrating?
This was a 'must not lose' fixtute, given the respective form of both teams, and our fixture list.
Like it or not there was clear point and purpose to Utds game plan and tactics, and they were carried effectively out to a tee.
Even Neville & Giggs were shitting themselves beforehand, thinking we could be overrun.
If you're asking for perspective, then it's Klopp's second season at Liverpool but Mourinho's only been at United for a few months. '
Football isn't won by the team with the best players. Mourinho needs time to build his team and get them to play together. There's still quite a few quirks that need to be worked out, whereas Liverpool have a settled squad with clear 1st choice players in every position apart from GK.
Mourinho's team is also nowhere near as bad to watch as LVG. That cnut sucked any ounce of spirit I have for watching United. It was truly painful to watch that sideways passing for 90 mins. Give me counter-attacking football with pacy wingers any day of the week.
to follow the thread title, he's right.
I've watched Liverpools last few games, they are mix of good to average players with one game changer in Coutinho. They have 2 strengths, winning the ball high or Coutinho with a long range shot. Thats it. When they press well against teams that allow it they look excellent, but when it doesn't pay off they look very average and lacking in ideas.
I think its Henderson who has explained the results where the press didn't work as poor performances, they weren't up to their usual high level. Its nonsense. The issue is that the other team nullified them and exposed them as lacking in general play.
I've watched Liverpools last few games, they are mix of good to average players with one game changer in Coutinho. They have 2 strengths, winning the ball high or Coutinho with a long range shot. Thats it. When they press well against teams that allow it they look excellent, but when it doesn't pay off they look very average and lacking in ideas.
I think its Henderson who has explained the results where the press didn't work as poor performances, they weren't up to their usual high level. Its nonsense. The issue is that the other team nullified them and exposed them as lacking in general play.
I agree with you regarding your last point. If LVG had authored this performance, he would have been vilified by at least the cafe. The mitigating factor however is Mourinho is still quite far from his required set of players and the sqaud still not properly versed in his ways. Im still confident he'll be very successful with us in the medium term.
Agreed, didn't show up at all
Don't think LVG was ever capable of organizing us like that. Our defensive record was more due to the fact that we never took any risks with the ball rather than defensive organization.
We promptly shat ourselves whenever any team pressed us under LVG. Compare the Europa League 1st leg from last season and today's game. Liverpool steamrolled us.
Tactically we were spot on tonight. If Pogba and Ibra hadn't been on the pitch we probably would have won the game.
Well they all leave Liverpool so they can tell everyone how great it is. Maybe it's the same with their fan sites.
Klopp has had a much longer time with his team. They're going to be more consistent for sure. We've got only 8 league games under our belt, and got an away draw against an in-form rival. We're only going to get better.
Liverpool had more to lose in this match, and will have felt like they just did.
Liverpool had more to lose in this match, and will have felt like they just did.
I believe we are 5 points worse off at this time than last year though. Correct me if I am wrong.
No.
We drew away at Anfield, one of the hardest away days in Europe for us, regardless of form of either teams. Ask Alex Ferguson.
On a personal level I was dissappointed we didnt go after them by selecting a more attacking team. Mata should have played before Fellaini. Young starting as well was very defensively minded but we could have guessed that from a Mourinho selection. Kind of one of the reasons you and I were the outspoken people against Mourinhos appointment on here.
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And by that logic if the season was eight games long lvg would still be in his job. It's not though.
Do you think Van Gaal would beat Liverpool if he is still our manager?
Scousers in shambles lol.
I think Mou learnt his lesson on trying to be adventurous from the derby game.. He stuck to his what he does best, setup the team to defend first. I'm not at all surprised by the result, and really don't mind it as long as we can get the 3 points vs weaker opposition.. We really need to improve our results vs the likes of Stoke and watford if we want to be in with a shout at winning the title
Exactly this. We will get better.
Last time we tried to take the game to an in form rival we got smashed by Man City, anyone criticising Mourinho and his selection and tactics tonight don't realise how naive they sound.
Liverpool are in great form right now, were heavy favourites for the game and we completely nullified them whilst creating a golden chance to take the 3 points.
They had the possession but we looked more dangerous.
Im happy with the point and also the approach to the game.
Liverpool are in great form right now, were heavy favourites for the game and we completely nullified them whilst creating a golden chance to take the 3 points.
They had the possession but we looked more dangerous.
Im happy with the point and also the approach to the game.
This thread is absolutely bizarre.
- How can United fans possibly be surprised that Liverpool have been overrated by the media? Any time the scousers get a sniff of a good team, the media praise them to the high heavens. (And the same applies for United, sorry.)
- Why is Mourinho a tactical genius for being in 7th place and drawing a fixture that Van Gaal, who is looked upon with contempt, won? (twice, maybe?)
- It bares repeating that any team in the top 8 should beat the Arsenal team that Liverpool faced. Chambers and Holding at CB, no Özil, Santi unfit to start.
- I think Mourinho knows that it is a good point in the top four race. He needs to finish in the top four in order to put United in good stead for next year. I don't think he'd get sacked, though, if he didn't - given that he strangely seems to have acquired the status of a demigod amongst some sections of the support. Still, I don't think he's the right fit at United. His defensive approach is acceptable at a small club like Chelsea - but I can't see the older generation of United fans accepting him as anything more than a manager to steady the ship for a couple of years at most.
- How can United fans possibly be surprised that Liverpool have been overrated by the media? Any time the scousers get a sniff of a good team, the media praise them to the high heavens. (And the same applies for United, sorry.)
- Why is Mourinho a tactical genius for being in 7th place and drawing a fixture that Van Gaal, who is looked upon with contempt, won? (twice, maybe?)
- It bares repeating that any team in the top 8 should beat the Arsenal team that Liverpool faced. Chambers and Holding at CB, no Özil, Santi unfit to start.
- I think Mourinho knows that it is a good point in the top four race. He needs to finish in the top four in order to put United in good stead for next year. I don't think he'd get sacked, though, if he didn't - given that he strangely seems to have acquired the status of a demigod amongst some sections of the support. Still, I don't think he's the right fit at United. His defensive approach is acceptable at a small club like Chelsea - but I can't see the older generation of United fans accepting him as anything more than a manager to steady the ship for a couple of years at most.
If Zlatan didn't miss a sitter.
If Pogba had a worldie.
If that cat ran in the opposite direction.
Lots of things could have happened but they didn't. Sturridge couldn't get past Bailly and Blind kept Mane out of the game.
And still we parked the bus and hardly crossed our half way line. Thank God they weren't the 'the last wonder of the world', whatever that means.
Its Pogba's poor second half that killed everything. He was supposed to provide ball and support for Rashford, Young and Zlatan but simply couldn't do things right most times. Sadly the on time he did Zlatan missed a sitter....
Haha Jose does it again! Funny and true.
I don't get the drama queens on here. We are a team still gelling together but still easily bossed Pool for most of the first half. Jose was spot on with the tactics.
I know most of you crying about parking the bus were afraid we'd get smashed 4-0 by the last wonders of the world. Then why get emotional as we play with a cautious plan? Mind boggling.
I don't get the drama queens on here. We are a team still gelling together but still easily bossed Pool for most of the first half. Jose was spot on with the tactics.
I know most of you crying about parking the bus were afraid we'd get smashed 4-0 by the last wonders of the world. Then why get emotional as we play with a cautious plan? Mind boggling.
Yeah, well guess what? We bought them coz we thought they could help. So if we don't play them, what's the point?
We should celebrate I thought we got the job done. A real men's performance thought we had a few leaders out there tonight. Zlatan Fellaini Herrera Smalling Vallencia and Young all played well and showed a great toughness and leadership. Thought Liverpool created nothing one long ranger and a scramble in the box. Zlatan had the best chance of the match. We missed Martial as Rashford was poor and Mkytarin is not up to speed yet. We made Liverpool look ordinary but our attack was blunted by stopping them but I thought we were excellent and Jose totally out thought Klopp.
Jose's tactics deserve credit for this. Liverpool like to press so he let them have the ball then they struggled to break us down. That's the quietest Anfield for a while. Well done Jose in my book he out thought Klopp in my opinion.
You had one wonder strike from Countinho and a half chance for Can. What exactly is it that you deserved to get more than a point? You lot would be eaten up at OT.
He won the tactical battle against Klopp IMO. Our attacking players let us down by being poor across the board which is why we didn't win the game.
I find the idea the De Gea 'saved' us over the top though. I like I say, I would expect any decent keeper to save those shots.
This is pretty much it. United were compact and pretty much always in control of the game even outside of possession. De Gea made a two saves he'd have been criticised for not making. The home team has onus to attack and didn't. They were too scared.
United will show far more attacking intent at OT than Liverpool did last night.
We had 30% posession in their third in the first half while they had 5% in ours. Sure they pressed us in the end of the second half, but that's football. It was at Anfield not Old Trafford. I think you are a bit negative, it really wasn't that bad.
I really do not understand posts like this. Fellaini is one major reason Liverpool's pressing didn't work. Fellaini's chest was used as De Gea's outlet to get out of our defence. Without Marouane, we would have struggled to build from the back cos that is what Liverpool's pressing aims to do.
Mourinho learnt a big lesson from the derby. I remember him saying he had instructed our defenders not to build anything from the back and they did several times in the first half.....and that let City walk all over us. We couldn't get out of our half. Fellaini deserves as much praise as Herrera tonight for his disciplined performance.
If we had smashed up Watford & Stoke, last night's result would have been hailed as a tactical masterplan. Our result against the minnows where Mata, Lingard, Martial have all played and done little is the reason we are in the 7th place. Jose outfoxed Klopp completely and we should be contented with that. Had Ibra buried that chance, you wouldn't have faulted Jose'a line-up or his tactical input.
That comment from Jose is a bit of an OG. Because if Liverpool are nothng special (and they aren't very special indeed), then why did we have our worst possession stat in the PL to date? I'm happy with the point and didn't expect more there but belittling the opposition when you had 35 % possession in the game and relied on world class saves from your keeper isn't ingenious.
This trail of thought is ridiculous. And is all those saying "DDG had to bail you out so you're lucky."
Isn't DDG part of our team? Isn't that his job?
And also, isn't it the same as saying you have a world class AM so you're lucky to have that one shot from outside the box going on target.
You're looking for any reason to bash the team to be honest. No ones happy that this is how we play in these games or of the result but overall we went there to do a job and executed it and got a point in a stadium where most teams won't. It's not perfect but heck, it could be worse too.
Why you hating jose?!