Makes you wonder what on earth SAF was thinking of, getting him the job.
David Moyes | West Ham in talks with him for managerial job
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Makes you wonder what on earth SAF was thinking of, getting him the job.
No idea what it was, but Moyes must have seriously pissed off SAF with something...
I've always subscribed to the theory that he chose Dithering Dave under the assumption that he'd be more passive than your average big name manager and therefore more willing to work within clubs the existing infrastructure than let's say Mourinho. Of course Dave being Dave decided that wasn't for him and the rest is history.
Is he getting fired before Xmas?
What winds me up is that people geniunely believe he was hard done by during his time at United.
"Jose has a worse win percentage than Moyes", "Moyes had more points at this time in the season", blah blah blah.
Absolutely fecking baffles me.
"Jose has a worse win percentage than Moyes", "Moyes had more points at this time in the season", blah blah blah.
Absolutely fecking baffles me.
This
Thats not letting Moyes off at all. Its saying its so bad, it was even worse than Moyes. Its doesnt flatter him at all
He is used now as the barometer for shitness
Rival fans haven't got a clue. The Moyes "era" was by far worse than anything we could ever imagine. Shit football, shit results, shit players, shit manager, shit everything. Nothing will top it.
I think this was the case. When Fergie announced his retirement, my friends and I were discussing the pros and cons of Mourinho and Moyes. We all agreed that Moyes would keep the current coaching staff and that Mourinho would get rid of them all and bring in the likes of Faria. The consensus was Moyes would essentially be learning on the job, with these players and staff who had done it all. Whether that would have actually worked out, we'll never know.
I personally couldn't believe it when he got rid of Phelan and Meulensteen, replacing them with his own band of people. People who'd done feck all in the league, compared to the players.
As I'm typing this, I'm thinking that Giggs taking over from Fergie would've been the better option.
Are you really entertaining the thought that this football dinosaur, that's right now on the brink of extinction, by keeping Ferguson's staff would have effectively learnt how to manage a big club?
Not now. But back then, all I knew about Moyes was he was a decent manager who'd done well for Everton and maybe he could've stepped up to another level.
To be fair to Moyes he took over an incredibly difficult United job, the team had peaked and the only way was down so he needed to rebuild. I don't think many managers in the world would have stopped the downfall in 1 season. Then he takes an even worse Sunderland job with a horrible squad with players who don't fit his style and unable to get any in due to how late he joined. He is a decent manager but has taken terrible jobs.
True. David Moyes wasn't that unpopular back then. You only have to look at threads/posts from the time.
That can be used as a general rule tbh. Summer 2015 was heralded as our best ever transfer window yet now every single one of those signings have turned out to be duds and on most people's get rid list.
I don't think it was as difficult as people are making it out to be. He'd taken over the league champions but most United fans were well behind him following Fergies's retirement plea of "Stand behind your manager" and not many were demanding a league title win. I remember I would have been happy with a top three finish myself.
He had taken over a team of league champions, with all the coaching staff left behind from the previous manager, who by all accounts, wasn't too involved in the day to day coaching. He also had the option to ask his predecessor for advice.
But he was too obstinate and had too big an ego to even follow the one advice that'd been given in all the years leading up to his appointment, which was to keep the coaching set up as it was.
I've also shared that sampled opinion whilst mainly relying on SAF's expertise. Thinking about it right now, on late friday night, I'm leaning towards the view that Moyes mightn't had a choice other than to bring his own people. My impression is that he's not the type of a guy willing to experiment and learn while running. If the general decision would have been to keep things still running from Ferguson's reigns Moyes must of had taken a backseat at the club, with which I don't think he'd ever agree. It was Moyes' way or highway.
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Decline after the best manager maybe in the history of the game was inevitable yes. But the level you drop to and how quickly you do it is another matter. Moyes made just about every mistake he could have in his short stay here, United dropping from 1st to 7th was largely down to his incompetence. A good manager would have had that team in the top 4 and a top manager like Jose or Pep would have had it competing for the title with the right additions.
He took over Sunderland in mid July, 6 weeks before the transfer window closed. He chose to wait until the last few days of the window to do his business as he always does because he's an indecisive dithering shitc**t.
You will like this then
Rahul Singh @forevruntd
Moyes: "Do Mourinho and Van Gaal's struggles put my reign in context? I am glad you are saying that, because I have always felt that."
Please don't fired yet Dave. Only a few more weeks before we meet. For God's sake Dave hold on for that long.
The absolute cheek of this dour bastard. he deserves Sunderland
Please don't fired yet Dave. Only a few more weeks before we meet. For God's sake Dave hold on for that long.
His last game in the top flight will be today.
If thats true... wow
£10 says once he gets sacked he'll go on TV talking about how Uniteds troubles show he needed more time. Que someone saying what he made of his time at Sunderland where he says hes a champions league manager and that Sunderland was beneath him.
How on earth do you manage to make Sunderland a more depressing football club. Hire David Moyes, of course.
Imagine being a fan of the next club he ends up at.
"It is all United's fault that blunderland are having 2 points out of 11 games. Had they respected my 6 year demolition plan I would be a much better manager".
1-1 now, Anichebe with the equaliser.
I think he'll return to Scotland, I don't know if the Glasgow clubs will touch him though.
Good move to go 4-4-2 today. Defoe needs a partner up front.
How is it is a good move? Sunderland have been getting battered.
Rangers probably won't anyway.
I wonder if hes still in the process of this 6 year plan even at his other clubs, i make hes in year 4 of said plan
Booooo
This.
We should've given him more time.
Look on the bright side a win gives him more time to relegate them
On the verge of finally getting 3 points.
Ffs Bournemouth
He showed the world what David Moyes can do today. Despite terrible idiots of footballers, he single handedly won a tough Premier League game for Sunderland, to prove that he is a top, top manager.
This sob just cost me over 12k in an accumulator fuming. Mind you I put city for a draw so it wasn't just him
A sad sad day for majority of redcafe today.
You know it's a bad week when even Moyes and Fecking Blunderland win a pl match