No one said anything, it's only made out to be a big deal when Mou does it.
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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No one said anything, it's only made out to be a big deal when Mou does it.
Is this actually true about Smalling being known for that? Thought Mourinho praised him for playing with a foot injury against Chelsea, calling him phenomenal.
Oh yeah another great, complicated and unsolved question for a successful manager.
Well you know easiest solution without making any choas and toxic atmospheres around would be just leave them out of first team like he did with BFS and ship them.
Or it is actually a very complicated solution? I don't know.
It would be ironic if Jose requested some off-time because he was living in a hotel.
It is a big deal because jose lost his dressing room less than a year ago.....with the same shit.
Luke Shaw has caused suspicion on more than one occasion that he's a massive idiot. He really needs to just be keeping his mouth shut and working hard. You can understand the apprehension about his injury, but to be on the one hand telling the manager you can't play, and on the other have your brother whining on twitter when you don't play. It's bafflingly stupid. You're not going to get me siding with that kind of idiocy over the manager of the club, even if I didn't like the manager.
Shaw doesn't deserve people feeling sorry for him at this point. He deserves patience IF he keeps his head down and works hard to earn it.
Just in general though, can you imagine playing for United, and then going to the manager and saying you don't want to play in the next game because you're worried that your leg hurts? It's not hard to understand why Jose wants to stamp out that kind of attitude, because it is a pathetic attitude. Players should WANT to play and want to do everything they can to play.
Our players too often look like they don't want to play, and now apparently they also act like they don't want to play. Does anyone actually think that's an acceptable attitude to have among a squad of professional footballers?
Shaw doesn't deserve people feeling sorry for him at this point. He deserves patience IF he keeps his head down and works hard to earn it.
Just in general though, can you imagine playing for United, and then going to the manager and saying you don't want to play in the next game because you're worried that your leg hurts? It's not hard to understand why Jose wants to stamp out that kind of attitude, because it is a pathetic attitude. Players should WANT to play and want to do everything they can to play.
Our players too often look like they don't want to play, and now apparently they also act like they don't want to play. Does anyone actually think that's an acceptable attitude to have among a squad of professional footballers?
Perhaps we'd be better off sticking with a proven world class manager rather than overpaid primadonna footballers.
I don't see why not. OT used to boo the team when we lost under SAF.
You could be right if shaw actually did it though like telling his brother to post shits.
Shaw has been given multiple chances to play himself back into form and hasn't done so. If he still hasn't gotten over Mourinhos comments after the Watford game that speaks more about the player than Mourinho.
Martial has been sulking and not playing well all season because his squad number changed. Again I'd say that says more about the player than Mourinho.
There is obviously something going on with Mkhitaryan. Mourinho hasn't judged him based on one half, there are quite obviously other issues there that we can only speculate about.
I also find the Lingard and Rashford comments quite amusing because I have no doubt had those players not been playing we'd have a load of people(city fans included) talking about how Mourinho "doesn't give academy players a chance".
Primadonna footballers is all you will get this age mostly. Better get used to it and learn how to get them work for you.
OT used to boo the team under SAF when they lost? Well, now we know how SAF won all the titles.
It also flies in the face of Fellaini's recent comments on how the players are 100% behind the boss; obviously, for some, this only applies if the boss is indulging them.
Maybe he rates both extremely highly as players but not their attitudes? And rather than leaving them out he wants to find a way to push them?
In my opinion Mourihno is calling out a mentality that he wants changed. He is also letting the fans and players know there are standards he wants to be met. This is a man's game, well it use to be. He wants warriors who will do anything for the cause not boys. I want my footballers with balls, not weak and worried. Playing through knocks should be expected, look at how Pogba performed yesterday. He couldn't have been 100 percent but he got on with it. I really like Shaw,Mkhitarayan and Martial and see them as our future, this is a call out. A kick up the ass, if you want to be here, stand up and fight for your place. No moaning to your agent about shirt numbers or family members chatting rubbish about your place publicly, worried about a knock. Some of these footballers are so sheltered and protected. I grew up watching 90's footballers and remember when player's were hard.
Mourihno has worked with many professionals in many different countries, we should trust him. He clearly see's an issue with the mental strength of some of our players, he wants it sorted out and for them to step up. I thought under LVG we were weak mentally, rarely got late goals or came back from behind. He wants the mindset changed and I want it too. I don't want the back line to look like that going forward, I do want players with the right attitude though. Memphis Depay is another one, all the talent. Then you look at the sulky Anelkaesque attitude of him in the training clips at Carrington. Talking rubbish when he's with Holland about being a loaded gun ect. Jose is seeing things he doesn't like, either it's attitude in training or other things there is a reason. He wants a together squad, that will do anything for him and United at whatever cost. It's the way he works. Forget the negative atmosphere aswell, the media are already on our back. Time to galvanise and come together. If the players don't want to prove him wrong, maybe they should be here.
Mourihno has worked with many professionals in many different countries, we should trust him. He clearly see's an issue with the mental strength of some of our players, he wants it sorted out and for them to step up. I thought under LVG we were weak mentally, rarely got late goals or came back from behind. He wants the mindset changed and I want it too. I don't want the back line to look like that going forward, I do want players with the right attitude though. Memphis Depay is another one, all the talent. Then you look at the sulky Anelkaesque attitude of him in the training clips at Carrington. Talking rubbish when he's with Holland about being a loaded gun ect. Jose is seeing things he doesn't like, either it's attitude in training or other things there is a reason. He wants a together squad, that will do anything for him and United at whatever cost. It's the way he works. Forget the negative atmosphere aswell, the media are already on our back. Time to galvanise and come together. If the players don't want to prove him wrong, maybe they should be here.
He lost the dressing room at Chelsea because he wanted to bring new young blood in Chelsea's ageing team and he was denied that opportunity. Word spread in the dressing room and players were pissed off at him because they saw it as a sign of betrayal from Jose's part.
You know i doubt that professional footballers give more fecks to fans than their managers.
Also what can fan do? boo? and then?
How often have we read remarks from players José formerly managed, about how he pushed them to be better; how they thought his treatment of them was unfair; and how, in time, they realised that he was right all along?
Nar, that works with the Bale's, Ronaldo's, Zlatan's of the World, but not with the likes of Luke Shaw and Chris Smalling. There are plenty of footballers at their level and above who are prepared to do absolutely everything to be the best.
Not sure what you point is? I don't want anyone to boo any of our players.
Not so much in last 3 -4 years I guess?
There was even a funny rumor that Real madrid players went to their president to not appoint jose again last season. Make it what you will with all the rumors.
So you know what public shaming point is then?
Jose has a bit of a history of kicking out players who go on to be amazing, I hope he isn't getting rid of Martial, going to be so disappointed if he is.
Yeah shaw and smalling are a bit of shit footballers who can't raise their games ever and showed it to us.
If last season didn't exist of course.
Yeah, the point is, if it hasn't worked telling them behind closed doors, put it out there in the public so they can't cry off to their entourage about how harshly treated they are when dropped etc.
I thought it was an ironic comment from Mourinho, especially when you consider Smalling's performance that day. Far from phenomenal...
You're having one here @The United
No, Smalling and Shaw are not at the level required to be treated as bone-fide superstars, absolutely not.
Yes, and that was painfully cringeworthy & emblematic of players who think that, because they are veterans of the club, they run the show & should be there for as long as they like. They were practically tugging at Perez's trouser-leg, calling him 'Presi' as if it were a codename for 'Daddy'. Pathetic.
Give some selfish players an inch and they'll take a mile. This is the kind of scenario our club can do without.
Oh, if the issue is that small, he could have let his journalists write about it without dirtying his own hands.
Agree with this, said this in his performance thread..
You put together all these things, including his fitness issues under van Gaal and you clearly have a player who kind of needs to just grow up. I remember an interview he gave where he said something along the lines of "you don't realise how big United are till you're here".
Clearly he doesn't at the moment.
He wanted to defend him that day no doubt after a shocking performance, and look where that got him. But some on here would have him doing more of the same.
Point was that both of them stepped up last season.
To say they had history of being whips didn't go with it.
Then he needs or should talk to woodward. It is his job to do the right thing for the club. We, fans, can do little about how the club should run or be. Not that we didn't know.
I don't get it. He was dreadful that day and a big part of why we lost. So then it's revealed he wasn't fit, thus he hasn't played since. So we want to play him again when he's still not fit, so we lose another match?
Nothing worse than someone using the phrase "man up" in this context. Essentially Shaw has to ignore whatever his body is telling him and not bother with it. In spite of the fact he's just come back from a terrible injury, he needs to fight through his current condition because it shows that he's a "man". Said it in the Shaw thread as well but I may as well repeat it here: a man is a male who puts his own judgement ahead of what others might think of him. I don't care about the hard on some have over "toughness" and how high they get when players play with an injury. It's asinine.
Come on @The United, the evidence is there for all to see and it takes climate change denial levels to ignore it. After joining United as a record signing for a full back, Shaw spent the closed season fattening himself up & arrived overweight and in shocking condition. Even LVG was absolutely furious with him. His first season here was a write off due to this.
After the public shaming he spent the next closed season training, every day and came back brilliant before the horrific injury.
History tells us that Shaw has some problems and that public shaming works with him.
And this is precsisely the kind of bollocks we should be putting a stop to.
No one should be crying to the president or chairman when things are not going their way except you manager who wants to ship someone out for the good of the team.
No he spent it with England at the world cup, and arrived early for pre-season despite everyone else who went to the WC taking extra time off.
Interesting how you are talking about his sacking in his last job, yet you forgot to mention the countless trophies he won before then? << that's a pretty important part you missed out.
Maybe his methods are harsh and in some respects, possibly bad. But Jose was brought in to win trophies. If our players wanted to be treated like darlings, we'd probably have hired a different manager.
The truth is that our club is on a downward spiral, getting top 2 finishes during Fergie, and since he retired, we are a 4th/5th/7th place club. We are in a (comparatively) dire position and as such we need drastic methods to take us back to the top.
And regarding pain and how EU players don't go through pain barrier:
Top sportsmen regularly go through pain, during training and while competing. This is actually normal. If you know about different sports, then should know this already.
I used to be a competitive cyclist so I know that pushing through the pain barrier is a requirement...not optional.
A good example of this was N.Djokovic fighting for the US Open title (earlier this year) - his feet were bleeding, socks full of blood. He is ranked No.1 in the World for this very reason. He fights. (PS. Murray took the No.1 ranking 2 days ago).
So many sports people go through pain, for their sport and you are arguing that this is wrong and is no longer the case?
His first season here was a write off due to his injuries. Not being fat.
History tells us also that players who had a terrible injury might have some problem with performing to the max sometimes or in some case ever.
Why? They've won the big one twice since he's left, so their judgement is quite obviously pretty spot on.
This is a big thread so I didn't keep up, but didn't Mourinho praise Smalling few games ago for playing injured?