Funny with real madrid's comment.
Also no one should be crying to the president or chairman who is your boss that can do something about it? But instead they should cry to the press and they can do feck all with our club and issues right?
Jose: "There are those who want to be here at any cost and those who suffer with a little pain."
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Also no one should be crying to the president or chairman who is your boss that can do something about it? But instead they should cry to the press and they can do feck all with our club and issues right?
Well according to our experts he was being ironic... about something.
He arrived fat as feck and out of condition, LVG was furious, yes or no?
I can send you the links if you like.
He was crap when he played and being fat and out of condition no doubt was the reason behind some of his small injuries.
No that's nonsense. He doesn't need to grow up. He probably needs to work harder on the weight aspect of his side, but nothing suggests that he needs to grow up. He put in very good performances last season (mature ones that is), yet we're back to this drivel. It doesn't make him any less of a man when he decided that he wasn't up for yesterday's game. As for the final part of your post, is it not natural for someone who joined from Southampton (or any club below Manchester United in stature) to be overwhelmed by our size?
Didn't look out of shape to me. His only issue was injuries.
And Van Gaal was an idiot, he obviously didn't fancy either Herrera or Shaw. It's why he signed another 2 left backs in the same window, and Herrera was pretty much given feck all chances throughout his 2 years here. I mean, if fitness was really that big of an issue how the feck did that fat feck end up as our captain?
Fair enough, it could be that. I agree with pretty much everything you wrote in the last few pages and what really pisses me off is that there's actually no evidence that these players are finished from the club. But let's make a big deal out of it because we don't like Jose. All they have to do is work hard and regain their manager's trust. There are players like Herrera, Mata, Blind, Rojo, Lingard, Darmian who all get their chances. But here we are discussing the end of the world.
It was known he was not 100% fit even before the trip to London but no player ever really is. After the solid defensive display against Liverpool, Mourinho wanted to field the same team and get the same reaction. It didn't work out well and, although shite happens, the performance wasn't acceptable. Maybe, from Mourinho's pov, it was giving Smalling the nod and stating "you're my man at the back" and Smalling reacting like he doesn't appreciate it. It's not like we're full of quality choices at the back.
The England boss also disclosed his physio Gary Lewin had words with the Manchester United left-back, who was picked for Brazil ahead of the 107-times capped Ashley Cole.
And previous boss Mauricio Pochettino at Southampton also knew about Shaw's problems with staying in tip-top shape, Hodgson added.
He was being ironic even though Smalling actually played that game? The experts never fail to surprise
I mean he played against Costa Rica in the last game for England at the world cup, and had a pretty decent if I remember right. Then he didn't even take 2 weeks off (IIRC) and somehow arrived fat as feck, according to the geniuses we have here.
That ALF haircut weighs 4 stone by itself.
Are you making him responsible for what his brother says on twitter? Until it's proven that he's the one behind those comments himself that is a new low. Fecking hell, just imagine being held responsible for all the shit your stupid family members writes on twitter...
Nah he needs to grow up. Not in terms of actual performances but his overall mentality, attitude and behaviour. You say yourself he needs to work harder on his weight aspect, how exactly is that not a part of growing up? You're a Manchester United and England player how do you think it's acceptable to be unfit half of the time?
And again let's go back to this whole brother situation, whilst not entirely his fault, the whole episode was embarrassing and reeked of immaturity.
There's also the fact he doesn't appear to have gotten over some minor criticism thrown his way by Mourinho after Watford.
It's no coincidence his performances before and after that match have been worlds apart.
The time for being overwhelmed passed two years ago.
Actually it was according to the manager of the club at the time.
I don't care if he was fat or absolutely ripped, the point is he was unfit to put in a 90 minute shift for United and was called out for it at the time. His performance at Fenerbache on Thursday looked like a player unfit and uninterested in putting in maximum effort and he certainly wasn't injured in that instance.
Shaw's a big boy. He can handle some shade thrown his way from the manager. If he can't beat out Darmian or Rojo for the LB spot then he shouldn't be at the club either way. Given his natural talent level, I suspect he will come good, but he needs to actually do it on the pitch and not be sitting out crucial away matches when the team is in a rough patch, because his leg feels sore. Funny enough given the license to get forward Swansea afforded Darmian, that would have been the perfect match for Shaw to regain some form and confidence.
That was only a few days after englands World Cup ended , he'd have had a number of weeks after where his diet would have taken a nosedive before arriving for pre season.
Maybe a picture taken on July 29th would be more appropriate.
He managed to join up the pre-season squad before even Van Gaal was done pratting around with Holland at the world cup. How fat could he have gotten? It was just Van Gaal being a complete tosser, as he tended to do during his 2 years here.
And that tweet is from this summer, after he's been out for a year.
He was back in training two weeks after that and he wasn't fat but caf members see fat everywhere.
Wasn't the World Cup in 2014? That picture says 2016.
ok, ALL of your POSTS are MAD
In pre-season you mean? Like literally every single player at the club? I'm more than willing to bet, Van Gaal's main issue was he didn't fit into his stupid 3 at the back formation so he found a way to throw a £30m signing on the bench.
Whilst I don't disagree with Lvg being a tosser. He's not the only manager who's questioned Lukes fitness. There's also the fact I have watched United games where by the 60th minute he looks completely spent. That's quite concerning especially at a young age where you should be at your prime as far as fitness goes.
However, Hodgson also said the same thing - but yeah let's forget that.
Look, football fans call people fat, that quite clearly aren't (Lampard, Rooney!?), I'm more concerned about fitness, and Shaw quite clearly hasn't been in the past.
Footballers train everyday, so on the outside they are always going to look 'in shape' or athletic, but he can they live a strict enough life where they can maintain a level of fitness to run for 90 mins...
Good spot. I blame those commenting on it before me. Misleading.I'm not a real user of twitter, but that photo looks to have been posted in 2016? If it is, his body probably looks about right considering he was out injured and would have been in the gym constantly.
And yet he was the only player LVG chose to single out publicly for being unfit IIRC. Shaw also saw plenty of time that season when he was fit and healthy. He lost out towards the end of the season in large part because Blind was simply playing great at LB and we were on a fantastic string of results. Nothing about how LVG used Shaw during his 2 seasons suggests that Shaw was some victim of the manager not rating or valuing him.
The problem with Shaw isn't that he is fat but that he lacks stamina, he needs to work on that and I think that he needs to work on his agility too.
Exactly, and Wayne Rooney was somehow promoted to captaincy?! I mean the guy's literally the cover model for unfitness in professional sports.
Yeah he did, we shifted to a normal back 4 formation and Shaw became more valuable. Him being overweight was also non-issue then, despite no obvious looking change in body composition.
But Shaw was already off sick or injured at every turn when he was at Southampton. You'd think the staff at Utd would have known that wouldn't you. A sore throat here, a bit of a cold there, everyone just seemed to write all that off as him being "just a kid".
Shaw played through injuries at Southampton and he played a lot of games for them.
If Hodgson, LVG and the Southampton manager under which Shaw played have all commented on his fitness, then maybe there's something there? He's clearly not fat though
My God,what has happened to this thread 
Yup exactly how he managed 35 league games for them as an 18 year old, the season before he joined us.
So Hodgson, Levin, Poc, LVG and Mourinho are all wrong about Shaw. Sounds plausible.
His diet during that summer holiday 2014 must have been horrific.
Anyway... your pic is from Jun 2016. Shaw joined in 27 June 2014 so moot point much @JPRouve ? It's no surprise that his form the season following that picture was the best he's shown in his career.
He's a top top player when fully fit.
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Yeah it looks that way.
Geniuses? Poc, Hodgson, Levin, LVG, Mou... how many managers have to question his fitness before you accept that you don't need to be a genius.
The fact this thread has 900 posts (most of them calling our players wankers), after an important after a difficult week pretty much tells what a dreadful way this was to handle it.
There was a chance to put all the negativity away for a bit, with people forgetting the bad results/shit over the international week. But no, we just fecking invite more shit on ourselves for no reason at all.
There was a chance to put all the negativity away for a bit, with people forgetting the bad results/shit over the international week. But no, we just fecking invite more shit on ourselves for no reason at all.
well he should buy a house and move his family up here, he knew the situation when he took the job, dont no why he even felt the need to bring it up.