It was the same when he was here, though. People seem to latch onto some bizarre belief that somehow he will turn it around. He has literally shown nothing so far with Sunderland to suggest that he will turn this around.
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It was the same when he was here, though. People seem to latch onto some bizarre belief that somehow he will turn it around. He has literally shown nothing so far with Sunderland to suggest that he will turn this around.
How's he still got his job? Comfortably the worst manager in the league. Even a look at some of their 'recent' (I'm being generous here) wins looks grim - Hull, Leicester and Watford - 2 utterly appalling sides (at the time - perhaps they'll improve with new managers now...) and Leicester are not much better at the moment either.
I reckon most of us would like to think that was the case. Probably wasn't though, i think Mourinho for one would have taken the job had he been asked.
My only hope is he manages to hang on long enough to relegate them. The right result for the fans and the final nail in his plain, beige managerial coffin.
Out of the cup and according to Dave the players aren't good enough, they keep making mistakes he doesn't expect and he needs new ones. Classic Moyes.
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...david-moyes-seeking-sunderland-reinforcements
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...david-moyes-seeking-sunderland-reinforcements
Out of the cup and according to Dave the players aren't good enough, they keep making mistakes he doesn't expect and he needs new ones. Classic Moyes.
http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...david-moyes-seeking-sunderland-reinforcements
I would love anybody to try and explain to me how this is good management. It's atrocious and it doesn't take an Alex Ferguson level of managerial experience to detect it.
Managers are appointed to work with what they've got. I have zero time for any manager that just shrugs his shoulders and says, "players are shite, what do you expect?"
Here here.
It isn't in any way mate, it's atrocious man management as you say. If things aren't going your way and the players are not good enough you can discuss it with your staff privately, but don't keep saying it publicly. You blame the Ref, you say the other team were just better on the day, or just blame it on plain bad luck. And you keep doing that over and over until your luck turns or you can get better players in.
Moyes keeps throwing his own players under the bus, did it at United, did it at Sociedad and he's doing it at Sunderland no doubt to protect his own pride and reputation. But i said it 3 years ago and it's true again now he doesn't seem to realize the people who can directly affect his reputation positively or negatively are the very same players he is trashing. I have no doubt the general feeling towards Moyes within the United squad was a factor in him getting sacked.
I read an interview with Ferdinand recently (might have been from his book) where he says Moyes destroyed the confidence of many players at United. How he spent way too much time preparing to stop the opposition and how he spoke about them in public. Look at how Mourinho recently handled the Fellaini situation, not only does that make Fellaini feel like he owes Jose something. But the rest of the players will take note and think to themselves this guy has our back.
I still find it hard to comprehend that this man actually managed Manchester United. I mean, wtf!
We got them back... A broken Moyes is doing what all of us wanted him to do ..
Really? I see more negative threads on Moyes than positive ones. Ellis Short gets a lot of criticism too, but Moyes is a close second.
Well yesterday they were anyway: https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/whos-still-backing-moyes.1319328/
He's getting slated by some but there's still plenty backing him. Also, that forum is mental they create about 100 new threads per day. Madness.
I've visited the site a lot (I weirdly enjoy visiting forums of struggling clubs
, VillaTalk is fun), and there's threads like the ones you've mentioned but usually I'd see 3-4 threads totally slating him. Though, you're right they make so many threads for every little thing its hard to keep track 
Shh it never happened.
The biggest mystery in modern football-
Funny thing is, if his name wasnt David Moyes (and was something like Juan Ferrer... or Bob Bradley ), I think he would have been sacked by now based on the results, performances and what looks to be a lack of morale thats hes instilled himself.
Nothing is ever about how he can improve the team, well except, he hopes to get in better players cos his current ones are shite. Great management right there.
), I think he would have been sacked by now based on the results, performances and what looks to be a lack of morale thats hes instilled himself.Nothing is ever about how he can improve the team, well except, he hopes to get in better players cos his current ones are shite. Great management right there.
Imagine him having to work in the lower divisions.
Did the manager of Sutton United tell his team they didn't have a chance before going out and beating Wimbledon 3-1?
What an absolute fecking weapon, I can't believe the man still has a job. I'm wondering if he actually writes something in his contracts:
"You can't sack me until 4th is mathematically out of the question"
"You can't sack me until staying up is mathematically out of the question"
This fraud leads a charmed life, they go on about company CEOs being rewarded for failure, but some football managers make a career out of it.
if they get relegated and don't sack him, will he feel hard done by?
You just know he'll land some well paid job in China or the Gulf after his inevitable sacking at Sunderland. And, to our eternal shame, the press release will lead with "Ex-Man United boss Moyes...". Although, if that next gig goes wrong, it's either Curbishley style obscurity or an appearance on I'm a Celebrity, Get me out of Here where he pleads for more time while he can bring in a better quality of cockroach to eat.
I imagine if that happens he'll be quite satisfied that finally a club has recognized the failures of the team he is managing are nothing to do with him. It's all down to whatever set of players he happens to be managing not being good enough and making mistakes he didn't expect (meaning they are not listening to his expert instruction).
He will then put in place a 4-5 year plan to get promotion.
And playing in the Champions League before Moyes went there. Moyes was actually our manager when we played Sociedad in the CL.
Some musings from his press conference:
'I think I'd be kidding you on if I told you that the players we're going to bring in in January will make a big difference,' said the Scot, whose side are joint bottom ahead of Saturday's trip to West Brom.
'First of all, we probably couldn't get that level of player. Secondly, we probably wouldn't have the finances to do that.
'I think to suggest that the players we'll be bringing in will make a big difference wouldn't be correct.
'I think the players that did come in at the same time for Sunderland last year (Wahbi Khazri, Lamine Kone and Jan Kirchhoff at a cost of £15m) did make a big difference and did a good job.
'I'm not saying we won't get players who can go straight into the team. I think it just depends a bit on the quality and what's available. I'd say we'll probably be looking at loans and free agents as well.'
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'I think I'd be kidding you on if I told you that the players we're going to bring in in January will make a big difference,' said the Scot, whose side are joint bottom ahead of Saturday's trip to West Brom.
'First of all, we probably couldn't get that level of player. Secondly, we probably wouldn't have the finances to do that.
'I think to suggest that the players we'll be bringing in will make a big difference wouldn't be correct.
'I think the players that did come in at the same time for Sunderland last year (Wahbi Khazri, Lamine Kone and Jan Kirchhoff at a cost of £15m) did make a big difference and did a good job.
'I'm not saying we won't get players who can go straight into the team. I think it just depends a bit on the quality and what's available. I'd say we'll probably be looking at loans and free agents as well.'
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Dour cnut.
Inspiring stuff from Moyesy once again. His squad must be buzzing with enthusiasm and positivity for the relegation fight.
Wow, he has already downed tools and his media friends feel he is being blunt and honest.
Horrible bloke, he must know it's uninspiring too but all he gives a shit about it making sure he's painted in the best possible light if they do go down.
I genuinely can't believe such a defeatist manager has got this far. I'd be amazed if this isn't his final Premier League job.
Plans on signing players in January - quickly goes on to tell the world that he considers them shit.
This man should write a book about motivation in sports, his man management skills is second to none.
This man should write a book about motivation in sports, his man management skills is second to none.
Poor Vito Mannone. I mean he's not a great keeper but when you come in as back up and the manager is already criticizing you in public it must feel shitty.
Here's the part about Mannone
Meanwhile Moyes has ordered Vito Mannone, the goalkeeper currently deputising for the injured Jordan Pickford, to up his standards, following a series of recent mistakes. “I’ve told Vito about things he should have saved in the last few games,” he said. “I’ve told him I’m disappointed.”
paraphrased = I've told him to try to save goals instead of letting them in
Meanwhile Moyes has ordered Vito Mannone, the goalkeeper currently deputising for the injured Jordan Pickford, to up his standards, following a series of recent mistakes. “I’ve told Vito about things he should have saved in the last few games,” he said. “I’ve told him I’m disappointed.”
paraphrased = I've told him to try to save goals instead of letting them in
LOL he's unintentionally hilarious at this stage.
"Feck sake, you know damn well we're practically conference side, we aren't signing anyone!"
You kinda hope its a parody, but then realise its fckin what he said. This guy is meant to be motivating his players as well any new signings but fck me, hes already defeated.
"Come join Sunderland, But I dont think youre good enough to help us survive. Nor are the players already here. Its all your fault, im too good for all of you"
"Come join Sunderland, But I dont think youre good enough to help us survive. Nor are the players already here. Its all your fault, im too good for all of you"
wow. he just doesn't know any other way does he? what's wrong with saying "all hands on deck, we're not going down without a fight etc etc (insert cliche).?" because if you're the one in charge, that's what you have to do to maintain any chance of belief within his team. if moyes is coming across as distancing himself from the 'inevitable' failure of sunderland, his players will think this is an okay approach. and his prophecy will come true. and the media will print this shite coming out of his mouth when it happens as some sort of semi-defence. how the actual feck was this man the manager of Manchester United? i love fergie and can forgive him his idealistic flight of fancy hiring this muppet, would really love to know what the man thinks about all this now.
To Mrs Moyes:
"We're gonnae have sex, it's probably not gonnae be very good, but I don't have the kinda wife I'd ideally like, so we'll make the best of a bad situation. Nae tek yer knickers off."
"We're gonnae have sex, it's probably not gonnae be very good, but I don't have the kinda wife I'd ideally like, so we'll make the best of a bad situation. Nae tek yer knickers off."
It seems that Lescott was training with Sunderland this morning.