Who was the last striker to come from serie A to be successful in the Premier League?
Lukaku vs Icardi vs Belotti vs Lacazette
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Lukaku is one of the most frustrating players in the Premier League for me. As many here have mentioned, he can be completely unplayable when he is on form. He just tends to go through spells of 5-6 games where he doesn't contribute anything to the team.
He might be able to develop more consistency as he gets older but I'm not sure you can have a striker playing for United who can do that regularly. Zlatan had a spell of 6 games earlier this season where he didn't score and a lot of people were saying that he had been found out and needed to be dropped.
He might be able to develop more consistency as he gets older but I'm not sure you can have a striker playing for United who can do that regularly. Zlatan had a spell of 6 games earlier this season where he didn't score and a lot of people were saying that he had been found out and needed to be dropped.
Have it in my career mode with Martial 90 and Rash 91, it is so unfair. The disappearance of two strikers up front saddens me.
I like what I saw from Belotti, tough fecker.
If I'm not mistaken, Thierry Henry came from Monaco.
Nope Arsenal bought him from Juve.
I rate all the above four ahead of Chicharito. Hernandez is a pure poacher and doesn't offer anything else apart from goals. He can't hold the ball or link up play. And he is already 28.
I didn't know he spent six months in Juventus. Thanks for pointing that out.
That's a long time ago to be fair. Icardi seems like someone who would end up leaving us for city. Ability wise Icardi though.
Balotelli had a good 2nd season at City with 17 in 32 (league 13 in 26), but not many strikers have moved from Serie A to PL,
I dont really rate Lukaku at all. When he's off his game, which is too frequently, he's absolute garbage. I don't think his all round game is that great either. If i was spending big money on a striker, which he would require, I'd want a lot more than he offers.
He was very young and a similarly young and inexperienced Ancelotti as coach even used him as a left back...... no surprise Henry moved out as soon as Arsenal made an offer.
I'd take Belotti. If Batshuayi had a brain he'd be better than all four.
Lukaku is great when he's running at people but poor as a target man. His first touch as target an is often atrocious, ponderous, and slow. I don't think that is going to change.
Lukaku is great when he's running at people but poor as a target man. His first touch as target an is often atrocious, ponderous, and slow. I don't think that is going to change.
If Lukaku stays here , he will break the Shearer record
Scored 22, 31, 23 and now already 27 goals in all competitions in France. This guy is the real deal. He is so confident and assured in his finishing a joy to watch. Isnt limited on the ball as well and can create chances for himself. Liverpool/Arsenal would fix problems if they signed him, crazy that he has only 10 caps for France, not entirely his fault, but weird selections of their coach.
Zola
Gabbiadini is doing alright
Is this the guy who has scored 9 penalties this season?
Yes he has scored a few penalties this season, but don't know the exact number.
Lukaku scores goals. His touch is good enough. I don't know enough about Belotti. Icardi would do well I think. I just think Lukaku would be a very safe bet to score a shit load of goals.
Just in league.
2016-17: 21 goals (10 Penalties)
2015-16: 21 goals (2 Penalties)
2014-15: 27 goals (8 Penalties)
2013-14: 15 goals (0 penalties)
So he is sort of consistent, 15-20 goals from open play.
What about Sanchez as a striker?
Lacazette scored this last week against Metz. This is somewhat similar to the goal Ronaldo scored during his initial years at Madrid.
Lukaku. If some of our bad recent transfers prove anything, it's that you can't value being proven in the Premier League highly enough. Look at Falcao. Unstoppable abroad, shite in England with us, shite in England with Chelsea, back to being stunning abroad. Look at Di Maria.
I voted Lacazette. He's a good finisher and has the pace and dribbling ability to make chances for himself or to play out on the wing as a wide forward and he's hungry to prove himself at the next level. A front 3 of him, Rashford, and Martial would be something to see imo.
Morgan Schneiderlin & Luke Shaw. Proven in the league can also be overplayed. Martial Ibra Herrera DDG
Agreed. Diego Costa jumped to mind for me.
Lacazette. good with both feet, good on the ball. great finisher.
I prefer mobile strikers with some technique rather than strong, hold up play, target man type strikers
I prefer mobile strikers with some technique rather than strong, hold up play, target man type strikers
Well players that get transfer from one EPL club to another have a very highly premium that reflects exactly that. How much a Lukaku or Kane cost at the moment? Lukaku easily £50-60m, while Kane would be unsellable or probably world record fee? So there's an insurance cost built in essentially.
I would prefer to take the risk on a player from abroad in this world of ever increasing transfer costs. Don't know how much Lacazette or Belotti would cost, but I think they would reflect a better ratio of quality/value as opposed to the others.
Icardi is Inter's captain and main striker and with the new Chinese owners, Inter are a buying club not a selling one. they will charge an extremely high premium for Icardi.
Lukaku is the man. Quality player with 77 PL goals to his name at the age of 23.
Shaw had never been proven in the league. He was bought as an up-and-coming youngster, having played a single full senior season. And he's never really been able to play for long enough to disappoint, either - he's just become injury prone thanks to the long lay-off from the leg break.
None of that is pertinent to Lukaku, who's been doing it for five full seasons, scoring an average of just under 20 goals a season (and that's counting only his goals so far this season) and never fewer than 16. Quite a feat at West Brom and Everton respectively.
In Schneiderlin we got exactly what we bought. He was a solid, hard-working, limited midfielder. The only people who were disappointed by that were the ones who hyped him up beyond his merits because of Southampton's special season.
Neither example disproves my point. I'm not saying there won't be any examples of players who did well in the PL for mid-table teams then disappointed for bigger clubs, but they're massively outnumbered by examples of players who were hugely successful abroad, both before and after, but totally flopped in the PL. And you couldn't make up a better example than Falcao.
Have you seen Lukaku's touch?
Forget the big man tag, his hold up play is abysmal.
Forget the big man tag, his hold up play is abysmal.
Not sure what it is about Lacazette but I just don't really see it in him. There must be something missing if West Ham were the biggest PL side looking at him a year or two ago?
Icardi if he wasn't a total twat !
Yes, but for the aforementioned reasons that premium is probably worth it. We're getting taken to the cleaners by foreign clubs too. The difference is that the foreign players are much riskier. £60m for Di Maria. £25m for Depay, who'd only even played two full seasons in the Eredevisie and only got a good return of goals and assists in one of them.
I'd rather pay £50m for Lukaku and know what we're getting than risk £40m on Lacazette without any idea how he'll adapt to the league. Don't kid yourself that anyone even half-decent is going to be cheap just because they're playing abroad. The days of getting Vidic and Evra for £7m and £5.5m are over.
Lacazette's biggest issue is that he's not a Mourinho type of striker (unless you go all the way to his Porto days with the diamond and Deco at 10 and Carlos Alberto/Derlei in second striker spots). At Chelsea he used Drogba (tall and powerful point of attack), at Inter he used Zlatan and Milito (6' or above and boasting good hold up play to bring the likes of Sneijder and Eto'o into the fold), at Madrid he used Higuaín and Benzema (more of a poacher, and a complete-ish 9), at Chelsea he found his 9 in Costa (great physical profile and determination when he's arsed). Lacazette is too different to all those strikers (particularly in terms of height as the focal point) - more of a Sturridge or Jesus than a Costa or Kane, and more suited to the type of setup Klopp and Tuchel and Guardiola often (but not always) employ with mobile strikers that can stretch defenses.
Plus, as was pointed out - he's Lyon's designated penalty taker, and scored loads this season (so the bulk stats aren't open play goals):
http://www.transfermarkt.com/alexandre-lacazette/elfmetertore/spieler/93720
José's unlikely to use Griezmann as a False 9 or lone forward for similar reasons. His ideal is essentially some sort of Batistuta lite to lead the line (in terms of physical profile and competence in the air and the ability to hold a high line in the box as a lone striker). From the list - Icardi, Lukaku and Belotti are more suitable in terms of profile, though all three have their flaws (Icardi's private life is often under scrutiny, Lukaku's touch is a bit short of ideal, and Belotti has evidenced high productivity for just one season).
Plus, as was pointed out - he's Lyon's designated penalty taker, and scored loads this season (so the bulk stats aren't open play goals):
16/17 Ligue 1 
Feb 19, 2017 4:2 
Baptiste Reynet
16/17 Ligue 1 Feb 8, 2017 4:0 
Sergey Chernik
16/17 Ligue 1 Jan 28, 2017 1:2 
Vincent Enyeama
16/17 Ligue 1 Jan 15, 2017 3:2 Rémy Vercoutre
16/17 Ligue 1 Nov 30, 2016 0:6 Rémy Riou
16/17 Ligue 1 Nov 5, 2016 2:1 
Jean-Louis Leca
16/17 Ligue 1 Oct 29, 2016 1:2 Alban Lafont
16/17 Ligue 1 Oct 22, 2016 1:3 
Karl-Johan Johnsson
16/17 Ligue 1 Aug 19, 2016 2:0 
Rémy Vercoutre
16/17 Ligue 1 Aug 19, 2016 2:0 Rémy Vercoutre
Feb 19, 2017 4:2 Baptiste Reynet16/17 Ligue 1
Feb 8, 2017 4:0 Sergey Chernik16/17 Ligue 1
Jan 28, 2017 1:2 Vincent Enyeama16/17 Ligue 1
Jan 15, 2017 3:2 Rémy Vercoutre16/17 Ligue 1
Nov 30, 2016 0:6 Rémy Riou16/17 Ligue 1
Nov 5, 2016 2:1 Jean-Louis Leca16/17 Ligue 1
Oct 29, 2016 1:2 Alban Lafont16/17 Ligue 1
Oct 22, 2016 1:3 Karl-Johan Johnsson16/17 Ligue 1
Aug 19, 2016 2:0 Rémy Vercoutre16/17 Ligue 1
Aug 19, 2016 2:0 Rémy Vercoutrehttp://www.transfermarkt.com/alexandre-lacazette/elfmetertore/spieler/93720
José's unlikely to use Griezmann as a False 9 or lone forward for similar reasons. His ideal is essentially some sort of Batistuta lite to lead the line (in terms of physical profile and competence in the air and the ability to hold a high line in the box as a lone striker). From the list - Icardi, Lukaku and Belotti are more suitable in terms of profile, though all three have their flaws (Icardi's private life is often under scrutiny, Lukaku's touch is a bit short of ideal, and Belotti has evidenced high productivity for just one season).
And Lukaku is a limited striker with a horid first touch. If we sign him for 60+m and he failed to deliver at the highest level then we can have no complaints either I guess
If Mourinho can get Pogba and Zlatan to come in the same window with no champions league, although a dream, could Mou get Ronaldo to replace Ibra as athe main man up top?
Put me out of my misery now...
Put me out of my misery now...
Di Maria was bought for £59m and sold for £44m. The loss was £15m. Depay was bought for £25 and was sold for £16m rising to £21.7m. The loss was £3.3m-£9m. How exactly were we taken to the cleaners?
The loss price on some of these resales is lower than the insurance buy-in cost for EPL players. If you went to buy Kane from Tottenham and you argue he is a £50-£60m quality player, you'll end up paying a premium of at least £40m probably more. Lukaku might be lower premium cause Everton are a bit below Tottenham in standing, but it would be at least £20m premium over Lacazette I would expect.
I don't agree with your view.
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