Look at hospitals and funding systems in western Europe. I could do the same job in the uk i do here for half the tax, thats where you dont want to pay.
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Look at hospitals and funding systems in western Europe. I could do the same job in the uk i do here for half the tax, thats where you dont want to pay.
I call it as it is because when you say the EU, you protect the actual culprit who conveniently will point to Brussels.
You decide among yourselves. From where I'm standing, it's nothing but a dirty deal.
No but I've spent a lot of time in France since the 70s, I was 14 when decimalisation was introduced - things change and we adapt.
As I was doing a lot of trading from Europe , when the Euro was introduced my life became considerably easier
The EU won't be standing up to America either tbh, the US is a big player and likely always will be
I agree with you on the dirty deal but let's blame the member states instead of hiding them behind the "EU".
And i saw prices rise by 60% and while the big guns all denied such rises, the German govt eventually admitted it.
And now the weaker countries have nothing to de value but their internal costs. Austerity its called and its shit.
They pay but they don't pay enough, we pay more in other countries in the EU and get better health care , infrastructure etc.
How much more would the British public be willing to pay and do they trust the UK government to utilise that money where they want them to use it.
It is political symmetry, anti-EU it is all the EU's fault, pro-EU it is all the nation states fault. At least there might be an end to this in the UK post-Brexit.
That said it is clear that the EU is responsible for the Euro's problems and frankly I don't have much time for people who try to lay blame elsewhere they are in denial.
Tory.
I got that annual breakdown of where your tax went from HMRC last week. I'm not sure my £174 syphoned off by our EU overlords last year will save the NHS...
174 quid wasted basically
I also see that you contribute almost 50% less to health care than i do
Spent a week on holiday anywhere in the EU and you'll probably spend more than that on the internet roaming charges that have just been abolished for the rest of us.
If we could get that welfare bill down it would be a start. Health is getting the second biggest allocation, but is still chronically underfunded.
God knows what crap they'll be spending it on when Britain leaves the EU. Maybe billboard to reminds everybody that everything's is just fine and is going to continue to be fine.
Under-spending on the NHS is one way to bring that welfare bill down by potentially shortening the lifespan of civil service pension holders. The welfare bill in that breakdown is one of the biggest political misdirections ever and plays into the Mail's hands by demonising all those on welfare as it fails to declare that almost a quarter of that welfare sum is spent on topping up the state pension with things like fuel allowances and long term care for the sick and elderly and another quarter on paying civil service pensions including police, nursing, fire services etc which should realistically be lumped in with state pensions, health or civil defence.
I worked at a building site for a construction of a new super hospital (for 3 years). The main construction companies ransomed the NHS in the final year because they held the cards when it came to the warranties. So they would often charge 100% markup (minimum) on sub contractors quotes and the NHS would reluctantly agree. A £2,000 job which we thought was taking the piss a wee bit got quoted to the NHS at £18,000. The job entailed lifting up 4 ceiling tiles and installing a 25m long fibre cable.
If it was happening at this site, bet it happens everywhere. Problem isn't NHS funding, problem is how the money is spent imo.
i'd say underfunded and under managed
what about overmanaged. Or just managed badly. Too many chiefs etc...
managers for managers sake probably, too many, too many not doing much.
Yeah, they keep moving the goalposts, particularly regarding which silo the state pension is included in. I guess you could add in things like free bus fares and TV licences for the elderly, along with winter fuel allowances etc...I might have a look back at previous years' tax breakdowns tonight, because they do seem to change it every year.
It's all too believable and depressing tbh.
yep it happens in all organisations of every type when it becomes siloed and too large to manage effectively.
There are areas where it is more obvious like, do you remember that massive IT project to update the NHS and it went catastrophically wrong?
Yes, another reorganisation, that's what's needed.
There are so many projects that have been scrapped so I'm not sure which one. Was it something they spent billions on and then just dropped it?
what @Jippy said.
I can't imagine the other cumulative feck ups we have not heard about or are buried in other things.
Hook, line and sinker. Congratulations, you've been conned by George Osborne.
https://fullfact.org/economy/what-you-need-know-about-treasurys-tax-statement/
Yeah, but if you read my reply to Bury Red, you'll see that we all know there is loads of obfuscation about what expensive is allocated where, eg pensions, and it seemingly changes every year.
Yes i remember reading about this - absolute joke and should be highlighted more clearly.
I'd love to see the tax breakdown of the average Brexiter, I estimate that a high number don't pay very much tax at all.
One of the big initiatives a few years back was to sack managers because they were a part of the 'bloat' and replace the with Doctors because doctors know medicine.
I don't know how far that scheme got, but the demonisation of paying people who are good at organising to organise always struck me as a bit weird.
Yeah, this is how it all went wrong for Britain:
Working class householders in the cities received the vote in 1867. Those in the countryside did so in 1884. Finally, non-householders — people living with their parents, or in the homes of their employers (such as servants), or in barracks (soldiers, etc), or who were homeless — got the vote in 1918.
That's not my point, we've had a breakdown of age, of geographical position, of education etc , let's have a breakdown of amount of tax paid, I'll have a bet that the tax paid by the 48% is far superior to that paid by the 52%.
I'd be willing to bet against that. Younger people tend to have lower wages.
Pensioners and unemployed don't tend to pay much either
Such generalisation but.....if you are right, what value is the eu and especially fom to this group?
Well I can understand the unemployed eager to stop the immigrants taking their jobs and are very eager to get out there in the job market instead of living off the state.
When the increased cost of the pensioners' shopping basket exceeds the amount of tax they were paying towards the EU, they may well start complaining that it was better in the old days, when the UK were still in the EU.
Yeah ok