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The traditional party politics in the UK now seems dead

Tories previously centre right are more like fascists
Labour previously centre left are more like the old tories but completely devoid of leadership
UKIP right wing but presumably defunct once the UK leaves the EU
No far left

What choice do people have to vote for?

Traditional older labour voters voted Tory in the last GE just so they'd get the referendum
 
Wibble said:
1.4 billion euro a year in things ranging from infrastructure to business development grants, unemployment mitigation schemes like the 175 million quid one that helped MG Rover employees find work when they collapsed, multimillion pound redevelopment of Swansea waterfront museum and uni campus, Liverpool alone got 1.3 billion quid over 9 years with another half billion on its way and Manchester has benefited nearly as much with many schemes producing financial benefit to the area well after the initial funding stopped. The NE, Scotland and Cornwall have been huge net receivers.

The irony is the Jippy's of the world who are actually paying something for all this benefit are getting little or nothing directly in return but are more than willing to pay it because of the huge indirect financial and social benefits of membership mainly voted to stay.
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I'm not sure any of those things got me excited
 
Paul the Wolf said:
The traditional party politics in the UK now seems dead

Tories previously centre right are more like fascists
Labour previously centre left are more like the old tories but completely devoid of leadership
UKIP right wing but presumably defunct once the UK leaves the EU
No far left

What choice do people have to vote for?

Traditional older labour voters voted Tory in the last GE just so they'd get the referendum
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I don't recognise any of those traits in the current political parties.
 
Wibble said:
That is one of the worst non sequiturs in this thread and it has some competition.
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That's kind of a double negative. The worst non logical argument is surely a winner winner chicken dinner as the most logical non sequiturs argument...

Regardless, if you weren't able to deduct it, my argument was not directed at the post I quoted specifically but at the Brexit argument of taking back control in general which Will has also advocated during the course of this thread.
 
An example about how the UK influenced EU policy:

The EU changed finance-market regulation quite a bit since the crisis and the UK had a very positive influence and stopped many bad ideas that came from the continent. One example is consumer protection, where the EU copied UK regulations that were far more sophisticated. But that is just one example of many. A lot has to do with different traditions of how to approach the problem. Overall the UK has much more expertise in this field and is able to influence the rule-making a lot. In the end everyone is better off.

If the UK leaves, future regulations will probably head in a different direction. Yet when the UK wants to access the market via “equivalence assessment”, they have to adopt most of the EU regulations without having a say in them.
 
Jippy said:
This is the ridiculous sutuation we find ourselves in. I've said before that I'd not moan at an extra penny on income tax for the NHS. Maybe that is easy for me to say as someone who is comfortable and has a wife earning a good chunk more. Stick it just on higher rate tax then.

But if those Sunderland voters who voted out in their droves lose their lifeblood Nissan plant, it's the likes of me and my wife who'll be footing the tab. Surefire way to build more mutual resentment and reinforce the north/south divide.
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1, If only those Southern voters who voted Conservative in their droves which lead to the Conservative victory in the general election a referendum and the voting pattern induced by decades of hopeless industrial decline in places like Sunderland it might all have been avoided.

2, It might close the divide a little if the financial service sector ends up buggered and we all know those jobs are really really important unlike all the other jobs because (insert reason but don't mention where they are mostly situated).

Milton Keynes voted to leave but meh, don't mind that so much.Teeside steel plant closed the year before and no one gave a toss but post-Brexit we can all pretend we would give a damn about the car plant if only they hadn't voted leave, so it will serve them right.

I'm sorry but I put this sudden interest in the well-being of northern manufacturing right alongside Osborne's Northern powerhouse and call bullshit.
 
Maybe the eu can pay for new transport systems and roads before the uk leaves so people can actually get to these jobs fom out of town.
 
Dan said:
They already have where I live and they still voted leave.
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Well then you live in the only part of the uk with decent transport, where's that.

People voting for what they belive in needs to be commended. Well done your town
 
Ultimate Grib said:
That's kind of a double negative. The worst non logical argument is surely a winner winner chicken dinner as the most logical non sequiturs argument...

Regardless, if you weren't able to deduct it, my argument was not directed at the post I quoted specifically but at the Brexit argument of taking back control in general which Will has also advocated during the course of this thread.
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Ok. It deserves a prize for being the best non sequitur in the thread.

And I am now entirely confused as to your point. Can we agree that Will is wrong?
 
Stanley Road said:
I'm not sure any of those things got me excited
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You live in Holland. Even if you lived in one of the main areas that benefits it is only when the funding goes away that most will notice. No way will a Tory government continue funding such projects.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
1, If only those Southern voters who voted Conservative in their droves which lead to the Conservative victory in the general election a referendum and the voting pattern induced by decades of hopeless industrial decline in places like Sunderland it might all have been avoided.

2, It might close the divide a little if the financial service sector ends up buggered and we all know those jobs are really really important unlike all the other jobs because (insert reason but don't mention where they are mostly situated).

Milton Keynes voted to leave but meh, don't mind that so much.Teeside steel plant closed the year before and no one gave a toss but post-Brexit we can all pretend we would give a damn about the car plant if only they hadn't voted leave, so it will serve them right.

I'm sorry but I put this sudden interest in the well-being of northern manufacturing right alongside Osborne's Northern powerhouse and call bullshit.
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When we forge new relationships with India, China and the rest of the western exploited countries in Asia industry will boom again for sure. I mean there's no reason for it not to surely. Its not like those are big industrial countries with heaps of cheap labour that would price out British industry. No siree Bob!

People want something for nothing. They want their jobs secured despite it making no sense whatsoever for those jobs to even exist. It's not socialism. Deal with it!
 
Wibble said:
Ok. It deserves a prize for being the best non sequitur in the thread.

And I am now entirely confused as to your point. Can we agree that Will is wrong?
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Will is a Brexiteer. He's no exception. So yes we are in agreement.
 
Ultimate Grib said:
When we forge new relationships with India, China and the rest of the western exploited countries in Asia industry will boom again for sure. I mean there's no reason for it not to surely. Its not like those are big industrial countries with heaps of cheap labour that would price out British industry. No siree Bob!

People want something for nothing. They want their jobs secured despite it making no sense whatsoever for those jobs to even exist. It's not socialism. Deal with it!
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Get on with it then, stop trying to pretend you give damn and deal with the Brexit vote while you are at it.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
Get on with it then, stop trying to pretend you give damn and deal with the Brexit vote while you are at it.
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Give a damn about what? The country going in the toilet? I give a damn about that much more than any of those idiots who think pigs will fly.
 
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Wibble said:
You live in Holland. Even if you lived in one of the main areas that benefits it is only when the funding goes away that most will notice. No way will a Tory government continue funding such projects.
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Especially not for building a fence on your farm like one poster gets ffs
 
Wibble said:
You live in Holland. Even if you lived in one of the main areas that benefits it is only when the funding goes away that most will notice. No way will a Tory government continue funding such projects.
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Does funding come from contributions?
 
Ultimate Grib said:
When we forge new relationships with India, China and the rest of the western exploited countries in Asia industry will boom again for sure. I mean there's no reason for it not to surely. Its not like those are big industrial countries with heaps of cheap labour that would price out British industry. No siree Bob!

People want something for nothing. They want their jobs secured despite it making no sense whatsoever for those jobs to even exist. It's not socialism. Deal with it!
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Our retail outlets already use these places for slave labour, in the eu or not.
 
Stanley Road said:
Our retail outlets already use these places for slave labour, in the eu or not.
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I feel like there's supposed to be a point to this post.

Stanley Road said:
The country has been going to the toilet for years, nothing changed since a vote.
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Something did change, we pressed the flush button.

It's all Nick Cleggs fault to be honest, he took the people's trust and screwed them even harder then they could have ever imagined. Five years of tory squeeze, cuts and mismanagement needed a scapegoat. T'was the immigrants that bloody done it rabble rabble rabble and here we are.

Screw you Nick Clegg!
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
1, If only those Southern voters who voted Conservative in their droves which lead to the Conservative victory in the general election a referendum and the voting pattern induced by decades of hopeless industrial decline in places like Sunderland it might all have been avoided.

2, It might close the divide a little if the financial service sector ends up buggered and we all know those jobs are really really important unlike all the other jobs because (insert reason but don't mention where they are mostly situated).

Milton Keynes voted to leave but meh, don't mind that so much.Teeside steel plant closed the year before and no one gave a toss but post-Brexit we can all pretend we would give a damn about the car plant if only they hadn't voted leave, so it will serve them right.

I'm sorry but I put this sudden interest in the well-being of northern manufacturing right alongside Osborne's Northern powerhouse and call bullshit.
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Well, I grew up in Haltemprice & Howden, David Davis' safe Tory seat in East Yorkshire and outside of the urban areas, northern England was a sea of blue.

The government's Brexit white paper stated that two thirds of financial services in the UK are outside of London, so cut your nose off to spite your own face.

You seem hellbent on dragging else down to the worst level of misery in the country. Nice plan.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
1, If only those Southern voters who voted Conservative in their droves which lead to the Conservative victory in the general election a referendum and the voting pattern induced by decades of hopeless industrial decline in places like Sunderland it might all have been avoided.

2, It might close the divide a little if the financial service sector ends up buggered and we all know those jobs are really really important unlike all the other jobs because (insert reason but don't mention where they are mostly situated).

Milton Keynes voted to leave but meh, don't mind that so much.Teeside steel plant closed the year before and no one gave a toss but post-Brexit we can all pretend we would give a damn about the car plant if only they hadn't voted leave, so it will serve them right.

I'm sorry but I put this sudden interest in the well-being of northern manufacturing right alongside Osborne's Northern powerhouse and call bullshit.
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Bullshit to your north / south divide, it's a clued up /clueless divide and those wanting to trash the pitifully few successful sectors of our economy like finance because it will hurt London fail to see that any hurt the British GDP suffers will be felt by all and will be hardest felt by those who already had least. I'm as northern as they come but chose to move south for work if I wanted career progression with the bonus of the occasional break from the rain and self pity; as far south as Perth WA and Singapore at one point. I've remained staunchly labour and waste my vote whenever I am back in my adopted home in Tunbridge Wells as they would elect a poodle if you stuck a blue rosette on it yet we were the only non-metropolitan area in the whole of England to vote remain and our MP honoured his consituents wishes by voting against the signing of Article 50.

My sister on the other hand who remains in the labour heartlands in the northern powerhouse votes tory as she considers herself middle class, is as Daily Maily as they come and voted leave because her job is related to the steel industry and the EU have ruined it, she still fails to accept that the EU tried to block Chinese imports whilst dodgy Dave signed the deals that wrote off Port Talbot and Redcar just as she continues to believe all sorts of shite about bananas, benefit Britain and those immigrants.
 
Jippy said:
Well, I grew up in Haltemprice & Howden, David Davis' safe Tory seat in East Yorkshire and outside of the urban areas, northern England was a sea of blue.

The government's Brexit white paper stated that two thirds of financial services in the UK are outside of London, so cut your nose off to spite your own face.

You seem hellbent on dragging else down to the worst level of misery in the country. Nice plan.
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When was the last time the North of England Voted Tory though? They didn't vote for the referendum party you guys did.

So when I compare and contrast your views about that monumental cock up you remain strangely silent and sanguine regarding that side of the Brexit equation.

I don't want to see anyone lose their jobs North or South and it is not me wishing ill on those who voted the other way to me in the referendum to serve them right.

It does strike me, that this all got taken much more seriously when jobs based mostly in the south get threatened and the bile that pours out is telling.

Why is your focus on who is to blame for Brexit, not on the Welsh, East Anglia or Kent?

Much easier to scapegoat Sunderland and the North.
 
Bury Red said:
Bullshit to your north / south divide, it's a clued up /clueless divide and those wanting to trash the pitifully few successful sectors of our economy like finance because it will hurt London fail to see that any hurt the British GDP suffers will be felt by all and will be hardest felt by those who already had least. I'm as northern as they come but chose to move south for work if I wanted career progression with the bonus of the occasional break from the rain and self pity; as far south as Perth WA and Singapore at one point. I've remained staunchly labour and waste my vote whenever I am back in my adopted home in Tunbridge Wells as they would elect a poodle if you stuck a blue rosette on it yet we were the only non-metropolitan area in the whole of England to vote remain and our MP honoured his consituents wishes by voting against the signing of Article 50.

My sister on the other hand who remains in the labour heartlands in the northern powerhouse votes tory as she considers herself middle class, is as Daily Maily as they come and voted leave because her job is related to the steel industry and the EU have ruined it, she still fails to accept that the EU tried to block Chinese imports whilst dodgy Dave signed the deals that wrote off Port Talbot and Redcar just as she continues to believe all sorts of shite about bananas, benefit Britain and those immigrants.
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I'm not seeing it that much in this thread.
 
I dont think the shape and size of fruit is given enough consideration, we pay people to actually discuss shit like this when no one gives a toss.
 
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