Should Wenger be sacked?

Should Arsenal sack Wenger

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No of course Wenger shouldn't be sacked, what possible purpose would it serve?

It's mid Feb, the league is gone, they are out of Europe. You couldn't replace him with someone better now. Should he go at the end of the season, yes absolutely and I'm sure the club are already working on his replacement
 
Faetheshire86 said:
A new manager could come in and set them up to be harder to beat. Sign a goalscorer. And theoretically Arsenal could win the league next year.

Alternatively a new manager could come in and Arsenal could drop out of the top 4, especially with the competitiveness of the league at the minute. A few bad appointments and they could be in a real mess.

What bugs me about the hysterical Arsenal fans is that they want him out, not because they want a change in 'philosophy', but because they think they deserve to win the league and Champions League, over teams like United, City, Chelsea, Barca, Real, Bayern. They don't seem to have the slightest inclination of how bad it could get before it gets better. I wonder how many of them would take 5 years of poor football, finishing below Tottenham and no Champions League football, just to get that new manager they crave so much. Would anyone be surprised if that's how it went?
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When you repeat the same season 7 years in a row , its time for change. where you are totally off base is that no one expects anything nor does anyome think we deserve anything. Wenger has simply grown stale with the same problems year after year its no fun to even watch.

I really think you dont get it. At all. i could care less if we finish outside of top 4 if the reason was we showed ambition and failed. The problems that a new manager could fix are quite clear: no summer of 2015 with zero outfield players, hopefully a move to fix our decades long problem of injury mismanagement, not giving charity contracts to people who contribute zero (arteta, mertesacker going back thru diaby, etc), a focus on actual knock out round tactics something that has always been an arsene weakness (galata 1999). there are some massive inefficiencies in Arsenal reaulting from complacency for too long. we are all well aware that addressing those issues can be a step back before another forward.

See what we want is not repeating the same problems year after year. If 4 finalists in the last 4 CL were built with leas money than Arsenal squad cost, with a cheaper but better manager, then expecting something other than 7 knoco out round defeats is again perfectly reasonable. and even if the results dont change immediately. we dont care! we want change, things have grown too stale. ive already sat through worse seasons than anything you have experienced at United so i am perfectly willing to wait.

Better to risk 7th to try for 1st then be happy complacent and boring in 4th year after year.
 
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i find these line quite interesting and surely will drive Arsenal supporters mad.

"He is close to N’Golo Kante’s agent and a deal was there to be done last summer, but he baulked at paying a big commission fee and the fact the France midfielder wanted wages of £200,000-a-week.

Wenger also feared the arrival of Kante, vital to Leicester's shock title win a year ago, would block Francis Coquelin’s progress. Kante ended up at Chelsea instead, and they now top the Premier League.

Meanwhile, Arsenal’s big midfield signing of the last off-season, £30m Granit Xhaka is seen as “bang-average” in the eyes of some.
 
Raees said:
Wenger is not an all time great manager. Comfortably falls short on a number of fronts. Memorable manager for sure, one who gave the greatest a run for his money for a 8 year period but you'd be mad to refer to him as a top 15 manager of all time.

Tactically naive, poor man management in the sense he is too soft, lacks winning mentality and his dealings in the transfer market have got worse with time. I don't buy this bullshit excuse with the stadium and lack of funds, he simple lacks the nous to identify problem areas within the team and how to recruit effectively. All I see are excuses and nothing being done about it.
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I was talking about this with my Juventus supporting friend yesterday. Basically I feel like a book on "all time greatest managers" would have be divided into several sections. For me at least, I can't just judge "greatest" as "Big trophy winners". I mean if winning Big Ears is a requirement to be great then someone like Di Matteo ranks higher on the greatest managers than not just Wenger but people like Shankly, Lobanovskyi, Bielsa, Rangnick, etc and that just doesn't ring true for me.

So we thought you'd really need 3 different categories to judge great managers although admittedly some fit equally into more than 1 category like Michels or Herrera.

Most Successful: Michels, Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho, Paisley, etc

Tactical Innovators: Chapman to Bielsea, to Rangnick.

Club Builders/Developers: Shankly, Wenger, Herrera, Lobanovskyi

While I have a lot of problems with Wenger's faults of the last half decade and in general, I think few managers have really built a club up like he has even if his philosophy has inherent weaknesses. I was reading an interview with Dragan Stojkovic which was interesting because Stojkovic discussed how much Wenger influenced him "I started to understand tactical behaviour. I started to understand modern football. As a result of that, in 1995 he became J. League manager of the year even though we were only second, and I was player of the year."

although he did leave this interesting quote from 2011 about Wenger and Van Persie incidentally.

Dragan Stojkovic said:
"I don’t know his situation with goalkeepers. But he continues to believe. I told him last time that the problem for Arsenal was goalkeepers. He could find a good goalkeeper. It’s a big problem for Arsenal, but he still believes that he is right. He also needs a real striker, who is expensive of course. Van Persie is not a real striker, Arshavin is not a real striker. Adebayor was a real striker but they decided to sell him for a lot of money. Arsenal get a lot of benefits from his coaching from a financial point of view."
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oneniltothearsenal said:
I was talking about this with my Juventus supporting friend yesterday. Basically I feel like a book on "all time greatest managers" would have be divided into several sections. For me at least, I can't just judge "greatest" as "Big trophy winners". I mean if winning Big Ears is a requirement to be great then someone like Di Matteo ranks higher on the greatest managers than not just Wenger but people like Shankly, Lobanovskyi, Bielsa, Rangnick, etc and that just doesn't ring true for me.

So we thought you'd really need 3 different categories to judge great managers although admittedly some fit equally into more than 1 category like Michels or Herrera.

Most Successful: Michels, Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho, Paisley, etc

Tactical Innovators: Chapman to Bielsea, to Rangnick.

Club Builders/Developers: Shankly, Wenger, Herrera, Lobanovskyi

While I have a lot of problems with Wenger's faults of the last half decade and in general, I think few managers have really built a club up like he has even if his philosophy has inherent weaknesses. I was reading an interview with Dragan Stojkovic which was interesting because Stojkovic discussed how much Wenger influenced him "I started to understand tactical behaviour. I started to understand modern football. As a result of that, in 1995 he became J. League manager of the year even though we were only second, and I was player of the year."

although he did leave this interesting quote from 2011 about Wenger and Van Persie incidentally.
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SAF win's no 1 all those categories in my opinion.
 
Absolutely. If I were an Arse fan I simply wouldn't put up with this mediocre, inconsistent, bottleless shite. They need a change ASAP.
 
pixel said:
Nah Fergie was never a tactical innovator. He would win the other 2 categories though.
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dont agree


bought back 442 and wingers
Introduced youth and foreign players before most
went to 4231 before all before him.
Was doing the press way before it became chic.

He constantly evolved his tactics to be ahead of the era he played in
 
Take off the red specs. Clubs outside England were playing 4-2-3-1 and other stifling tactics well before SAF switched circa 2002. I believe he made comments about needing to switch tactics (hence Veron in) as Bayern and Real and ilk had played them off the park with varying formations and tactics.
 
I find it a bit strange with all the 'he's finished' articles - you'd think they were fighting relegation, never mind being 2nd or there abouts for most of the season. I get the continual 'failure' to win the league and CL but hasn't Wenger won 6 FA Cups with consistent top 4 finishes - very difficult to achieve, especially as he isn't breaking record transfers and spends (I think) considerably less than others. Granted, I understand the fans' issue with accepting 4th place but that's really just modern football.
 
Find it harsh that he's being treated like this. I've always liked him.

I think the 3 greatest PL managers, thus far, are, in order...

Fergie
José
Wenger

And he's currently sat 4th in the PL, 2 points off 2nd, still in the FA Cup.

Fair enough they got well beat by Bayern (I haven't seen the game, just the score-line), but that will happen against the best from time to time.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Find it harsh that he's being treated like this. I've always liked him.

I think the 3 greatest PL managers, thus far, are, in order...

Fergie
José
Wenger

And he's currently sat 2nd in the PL, still in the FA Cup.

Fair enough they got well beat by Bayern (I haven't seen the game, just the score-line), but that will happen against the best from time to time.
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Arsenal are sat 4th in the EPL table.
 
Rhyme Animal said:
Find it harsh that he's being treated like this. I've always liked him.

I think the 3 greatest PL managers, thus far, are, in order...

Fergie
José
Wenger

And he's currently sat 2nd in the PL, still in the FA Cup.

Fair enough they got well beat by Bayern (I haven't seen the game, just the score-line), but that will happen against the best from time to time.
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Or every year in the champions league.
 
Rolandofgilead said:
arguably yes, but would they come?
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Wenger is the 4th best paid manager in the world....so yeah I think they would. They've spent like 200m in the past 3/4 transfer windows so its not like they are poor

I hope Wenger stays on. Would be annoying having another club with a good manager to compete with
 
If he is to leave in the summer, he should announce it now imo. He will get to spend the last few months at Arsenal in peace and the fans who want him out will get to relax and give him a good send off rather than bringing out the banners and all the toxicity.
 
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I think he should announce that he is leaving now. Arsenal's remaining games will be like a one last time round the circuit farewell tour for Arsene Wenger. He deserves it. Opposition fans can bring banners of praise and show their appreciation for Wenger's contribution by giving one minute standing ovations on the 75th minute mark (the time Arsenal fans always get audibly pissed off that he's not making any substitutions). There's going to be a massive feature on the last day's Football Focus looking back on his first seven years.
 
No, this isn't good. We must give them ideas :)

My take on it is Arsene is going to leave regardless at the end of this season. The Arsenal board and Arsene were a match made in heaven. The board wanted a stable team that made it to the CL every season without a lot of investment and Arsene was vary of talking too much risk himself. Even if money was available, Arsene rarely spent because with new shiny toys will come the pressure of expectations.

The fans on the other hand are rightly frustrated but they need to understand that with their current wage budget and cap, the only reason they are realistically competing for top 4 is because of the stability that Arsene brings. Take him away and you are looking forward to at least a 4-5 year rebuilding period followed by a huge outlay in money (which the board may not provide).
 
I hope the spanking against Bayern will confirm his departure at the end of the season, it really is the best and if I were an Arsenal supporter I'd prefer getting a completely new aproach with a different manager even if it means dropping from top 4 in the attempt of being more ambitious. The team is in a stale state that it isn't what the supporters want, and that stability bs is something it only benefits the owners while it isn't providing anything for the supporters so I wouldn't be concerned about losing that stability (more like mediocrity) and ruining their business.
 
He has to go but Arsenal's problems don't ultimately stop at Wenger, there are a lot of issues across the side to resolve.

l think they will go the same way as Liverpool and United during their transition period: i.e. struggle to match their relative success from before. At that juncture you can bet the Arsenal Fan TV lunatic brigade will still be blaming Wenger.
 
AR87 said:
That was truly embarrassing. Fabio and Rafael in the middle of the park or something right? We utterly dominated the match too. Pathetic.
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From memory, Wes at RB, Smalling and Evans CBs, Evra LB, O'Shea Gibson center mids, Fabio Rafael LW/RW, Rooney Hernandez ST. Fabio scored the opener and Rooney sealed it.

Season after we twatted them 8-2 but that FA Cup tie had to be my favourite :lol:, utter humiliation.
 
oneniltothearsenal said:
I was talking about this with my Juventus supporting friend yesterday. Basically I feel like a book on "all time greatest managers" would have be divided into several sections. For me at least, I can't just judge "greatest" as "Big trophy winners". I mean if winning Big Ears is a requirement to be great then someone like Di Matteo ranks higher on the greatest managers than not just Wenger but people like Shankly, Lobanovskyi, Bielsa, Rangnick, etc and that just doesn't ring true for me.

So we thought you'd really need 3 different categories to judge great managers although admittedly some fit equally into more than 1 category like Michels or Herrera.

Most Successful: Michels, Ferguson, Clough, Mourinho, Paisley, etc

Tactical Innovators: Chapman to Bielsea, to Rangnick.

Club Builders/Developers: Shankly, Wenger, Herrera, Lobanovskyi

While I have a lot of problems with Wenger's faults of the last half decade and in general, I think few managers have really built a club up like he has even if his philosophy has inherent weaknesses. I was reading an interview with Dragan Stojkovic which was interesting because Stojkovic discussed how much Wenger influenced him "I started to understand tactical behaviour. I started to understand modern football. As a result of that, in 1995 he became J. League manager of the year even though we were only second, and I was player of the year."

although he did leave this interesting quote from 2011 about Wenger and Van Persie incidentally.
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I get what you are saying but how has he built a great club in Arsenal? you're an average club who has always been one of the biggest in England (Herbert Chapman did more for Arsenal than Wenger), he has if anything restored you to a position you were already in the late 80's for example and you have fallen backwards as a club now which will need a major rebuild.

It is hardly a job like Shankley did with Liverpool, creating an international global phenomenon and a european powerhouse, one of the iconic clubs in football or what Fergie did with United building up a team from scratch.

For me that is an Arsenal fans way of ensuring Wenger is remembered as a great but from a neutral perspective, whilst I respect how long he's stayed in his job and the length of service he's give the club, he still doesn't deserve to be known in the upper echelon of managers. It is another case of longevity substituting for actual quality.

In the UK, he will of course be remembered as one of the great managers. He's one of the best British team managers ever (in top 10 for sure).. but internationally, it is a different kettle of fish.

Big ears alone doesn't equate to greatness, no one is silly enough to base it on that achievement alone and guys like Di Matteo's are anamolies, but it is definitely a huge factor in separating average from great, as is consistency over a long period and league/cup wins etc. It all gets taken into context.
 
I would like him to stay on until he is a full-on dribbling wreck. So maybe another season.
 
sincher said:
I would like him to stay on until he is a full-on dribbling wreck. So maybe another season.
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The thing to send him over the edge could be a new jacket with multiple zips, each more difficult to close than the last.
 
Brophs said:
The thing to send him over the edge could be a new jacket with multiple zips, each more difficult to close than the last.
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:lol: with pictures of Mourinho's face underneath
 
Do kind of feel sorry for him but it is what it is. He's come to an end, he should manage a national team.
 
AlecHDR said:
If he is to leave in the summer, he should announce it now imo. He will get to spend the last few months at Arsenal in peace and the fans who want him out will get to relax and give him a good send off rather than bringing out the banners and all the toxicity.
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Spot on.
 
If he goes, it will be of his own accord.

He won't be sacked.
 
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