Wenger isn't the problem, its the owner. As long as they qualify for the CL and the owner is getting a return on his investment there is no need in his eyes to rock the boat. He's not interested in winning, just earning and for those goals there aren't many safer options than Wenger.
Should Wenger be sacked?
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No.
This guy gave his best for the club for 20 years. Like him or hate him, but he is a legend and staying that long with a club is something special nowadays.
You don't sack people like him. If anything, he will be suggested to leave on his own terms.
Wenger's time will be over sooner or later - no matter how good his performance is, at some point it is time to go. But after 20 years, losing in the CL should not be the factor for this decision.
However, I think it is time for him. But I don't think it has anything to do with this or the past season. In years to come, he will be remembered, what difference will it really make whether he stayed for 20 years or 22?
This guy gave his best for the club for 20 years. Like him or hate him, but he is a legend and staying that long with a club is something special nowadays.
You don't sack people like him. If anything, he will be suggested to leave on his own terms.
Wenger's time will be over sooner or later - no matter how good his performance is, at some point it is time to go. But after 20 years, losing in the CL should not be the factor for this decision.
However, I think it is time for him. But I don't think it has anything to do with this or the past season. In years to come, he will be remembered, what difference will it really make whether he stayed for 20 years or 22?
I believe this position is untenable now
If Arsene stops now without winning anything this season, he'll have achieved less than Fergie did before he joined United.
They both had 4 league titles, Wenger had 6 FA cups and a couple of French/Japanese cups to Fergies 4 Scottish cups, but Fergie had a Drybrough Cup, a European Cup Winners Cup and a UEFA Super Cup.
Similar trophy hauls in terms of numbers but pre-United Fergies European success gives him the clear edge.
They both had 4 league titles, Wenger had 6 FA cups and a couple of French/Japanese cups to Fergies 4 Scottish cups, but Fergie had a Drybrough Cup, a European Cup Winners Cup and a UEFA Super Cup.
Similar trophy hauls in terms of numbers but pre-United Fergies European success gives him the clear edge.
Jardim would walk to the the Emirates.
Sampaoli may end up at Barca
Allegri from his interviews seems keen on managing in the EPL.
Tuchel may want to stay at Dortmund alittle longer.
His time is up but they should allow him to leave in the summer on his own terms.
A novel, by Jackie Collins.
For some reason, I have Jardim linked to Arsenal, last spring. I thought that Puel would join Monaco while Jardim waits for Atletico or Arsenal. Now, I don't see Puel leave Southampton or the PL just yet, so Wenger to Monaco would be nice, he would be a great pull for young players.
Some real-life wisdoms from the Dark Knight. Wenger has lived long enough to see himself become the villain at Arsenal.
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I know. He's missed his chance. Definitely the villain now.
Jardim in my opinion would be a brilliant acquisition for Arsenal and would get them to the next level in Europe.
Wenger on #afc fans' anger: "It's not like Arsenal had won the European Cup 5 times before I arrived. They've never won it."
Think Wenger is delusional if he thinks anything is going to change before he retires.
If he doesn't walk away this year he's going to look that way. For better or worse, Arsenal need a refresh.
If he doesn't walk away this year he's going to look that way. For better or worse, Arsenal need a refresh.
that really amounts to firing him, especially considering how in today's environment the press will find out about it and report it.
It's a minor face saving thing, but in the end everyone will know he was essentially fired.
trollol. Great wumming from wenger if that's a real quote.
Its sad that he thinks the outstanding achivements pre-2005 would buy him a decade of doing nothing. That's not how football works even when we look away from the business side of things.
Long ago.
I agree and I think that he could work well with Stan "tightwad" Kroenke.
No way he said that haha
1) Arsenal fires him.
2) Pochettino leaves Spurs for Barca.
3) Spurs hire Wenger.
4) ???????
5) Arsenal TV Meltdown
So based on the BBC's latest report what is the Caf's consenus? Will Arsene finally call it a day or will he cause a complete implosion of the Arsenal fanbase by signing that two year deal?!
6) Wenger wins league with Spurs and retires
"I managed to stay alive for 15 years, baby!"
His press conference today, makes me think he's going to stay.
It was almost a "you better appreciate me" kind of message to the fans.
It was almost a "you better appreciate me" kind of message to the fans.
As someone on Arsenalmania put it, it's emotional blackmail. He knows most fans want him gone but, deep down they still love him. He's doing what he's done for the past few years. He's playing the fan base.
Wenger manager another club at this stage? Pfft! He's staying.
Wenger manager another club at this stage? Pfft! He's staying.
I get what you are saying as well, but I think you are missing some context.
First Chapman has to be tempered with giving Sir Henry Norris a lion's share of credit. Without his money (we were called the Bank of England team then) and his shadiness (briding Arsenal way to promotion to the Premiership) Chapman never would have happened. And ironically it wasn't even Chapman who actually thought of the WM innovation, it was one of his players. So Chapman is a bit overrated historically IMO. Never fancied the WM anyway.
Now you have to fast forward to 1990s. Graham was the one who built the modern foundation, winning the league in historic fashion in 89 then 91 and even bringing the only respectable European trophy we ever won - Cup Winners Cup in 94. But you have to also look at the serious damage done by Graham's mistakes. After his famous bung scandal and its fallout, we had Bruce Rioch and finished 94/95 on 12th spot. This was after a few years of Graham going off a bit dictator and completely alienating many of our flair players (Thomas, Davis, Smith, Limpar). David Dein has to get credit too, but when Wenger first arrived at Arsenal there was absolutely no indication that Arsenal were on the way up. We very easily could have fallen even further down the table at that point and never recovered. c.1995 Blackburn and Newcastle looked like far better bets to challenge United and build on their status.
Also, this is about the only time I will bring money into it but without Wenger, there would have been no Emirates. See, our board made some really bad strategic decisions after the Hillsborough induced stadium retrofits. While you made some astute choices in the hospitality market, Arsenal completely missed the board in 90-91 with the Highbury remodels that left Arsenal very weak in match day revenue in the 1990s. The improvements Wenger made on the pitch leading to the 98 double had a massive effect on Arsenal's finances. Another year or two of Rioch or similar 95-97 and we never would have been challenging your United in that 98-06 time frame. We would have been mid table and probably lost Bergkamp not long after. Also can't underestimate how much the 98-04 era grew our global fanbase. We would have nowhere near the number of world wide fans without that. Again, our global fanbase would probably be Blackburn size.
The modern approach Wenger brought to the club is credited with not just revitalizing and modernizing the team. He brought about the end to the drinking culture that still dominated Arsenal in the mid-1990s before matches and Tony Adams credit those modernizing changes with changing his entire life for the better. His scouting network that brought in the French and French-African players was a coup for English football and really began the trend of the PL clubs looking all around the world for players not just to Dutch and Scandinavian players. These are two massive, massive changes that layed the foundation for Arsenal reaching the status it did. Without these changes we would be where Newcastle or Blackburn are right now at best.
Is Wenger the only manager that could have modernized Arsenal and paved the foundation 97-06? Maybe not. But he was the one who did it. I will be the first criticize Wenger's mistakes of the last 10 years but you are definitely greatly underestimating the massive impact he has had on Arsenal.
on a micro level, arsenal losing to bayern isnt surprising (maybe the scoreline could be but not imo. Bayern are levels above anyone in the PL on paper). Bayern would win the tie 9/10 times and so it would be unfair to blame arsene wenger for that
on a macro level though, its disappointing for their fans surely. They have the same manager for the last 5 years at the least. They have no major exits since RvP left (Sagna aside). Plus they have also added players who are improvements (ozil, sanchez, cech, xhaka, mustafi bellerin). So ideally they should be the best squad on paper in the PL. yet not only are they not, they also havent improved one bit (sure, their position improved but overall they keep making the same mistakes again and again both in PL and CL). That is clearly the manager's issue imo. The obvious solution would be to change the manager.
on a macro level though, its disappointing for their fans surely. They have the same manager for the last 5 years at the least. They have no major exits since RvP left (Sagna aside). Plus they have also added players who are improvements (ozil, sanchez, cech, xhaka, mustafi bellerin). So ideally they should be the best squad on paper in the PL. yet not only are they not, they also havent improved one bit (sure, their position improved but overall they keep making the same mistakes again and again both in PL and CL). That is clearly the manager's issue imo. The obvious solution would be to change the manager.
At the moment the problems are one and the same. Wenger appointed his "boss" for the record. That shows how much power Wenger has at the club. In fact, Gazidis even said a year or two ago that Wenger is only answerable to the fans not the board.
He basically called out the fans.
And reading AM, it's worked. The forum has gone from almost unanimous "Wenger out" to "maybe we have it as good as we can" in a matter of hours.
Their now in panic that he'd go to PSG, Bayern or Barca and win the CL.
It's a bit like Stockholm syndrome.
And reading AM, it's worked. The forum has gone from almost unanimous "Wenger out" to "maybe we have it as good as we can" in a matter of hours.
Their now in panic that he'd go to PSG, Bayern or Barca and win the CL.
It's a bit like Stockholm syndrome.
Are Arsenal fans really that thick?!
Wenger has really done a number on that lot. I almost feel sorry for them.
Back to France?
It's hysterical. He's played them again with the old "be careful what you wish for" trope. It's like the bloke who can't leave his wife because better the devil he knows. Even suffering can become familiar enough to be a comfort.
I swear he's doing this just to be a contrarian. He wanted to call it quits at the end of the season but because now everybody's calling for him to do that, he's decided to stick around another year just to prove them wrong
He actually has a reputation for being difficult.
I don't want him to leave. He changed English football for the better and will go down as one of the best managers of the premier league era. Maybe arsenal's best ever manager. He's struggling, and perhaps Arsenal could do with a change, but I have respect for the man and it will be a sad day for the league when he calls it quits.