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[Brownie85]

Of course it will. The EU have consistently maintained they will not discuss or negotiate anything until after article 50 is delivered. It's a non-story.

And the quickest way to get everything resolved is to get Article 50 triggered and enter into negotiations.
If the government decide to try and get this amendment overturned, then it shows that they either have little intention of securing the rights of EU citizens, or they feel that the EU is going to play hardball over UK citizens in Europe. The simplest and easiest solution would be to accept the amendment, get the bill to Royal Ascent and get on with things. From what i understand, this amendment only seeks that the Goverment provides proposals on ensuring the Citizens that are legally resident in the UK are allowed to stay within the first 3 months of triggering Article 50. These issues should be sorted out withing 3 months regardless of there being an amendment.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

i'm just watching a dutch program called Uit Europa that covers the hatred of the eu across Europe, right now there is a French farmer that has to give up his dairy cows, "I hate the eu, I don't want to talk about Europe" he says. I imagine this is the view of many French farmers

You should watch it.

I've seen the french farmers moaning about the french government as well.
You will also see the english farmers moaning when their EU funding dries up.

 

[JPRouve]

Yet they have demanded clarity from the UK before negotiations, they just want their cake and eat it I guess, cnuts

What are you talking about, what is the cake?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

The house of lords may be right or they may be wrong, but either way they are certainly not democratic.

Not saying it is democratic, the EU is far more democratic than the UK system but the UK didn't want that, they wanted their country back, this is the way the country has been run for donkeys years.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Yet they have demanded clarity from the UK before negotiations, they just want their cake and eat it I guess, cnuts

All they have to do is trigger Article 50, we're still waiting after 8 months

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yet they have demanded clarity from the UK before negotiations, they just want their cake and eat it I guess, cnuts

Heh. There's one party in these negotiations fecking desperate to have their cake and eat it and it isn't the EU.

 

[Stanley Road]

I've seen the french farmers moaning about the french government as well.
You will also see the english farmers moaning when their EU funding dries up.

This was a french dairy farmer that had to send his cows to slaughter cos of new eu rules. He was in tears but thats ok.

Then some eastern europeans were interviewed in the uk. 1.90 per hour they get paid for working in the fields.

Gotta love this EUtopia

 

[Stanley Road]

What are you talking about, what is the cake?

mate. Just dont read my posts, you never understand them

 

[Stanley Road]

All they have to do is trigger Article 50, we're still waiting after 8 months

Eu cant demand before that yet they still do. When will you start to get that?

 

[Stanley Road]

Heh. There's one party in these negotiations fecking desperate to have their cake and eat it and it isn't the EU.

Then why do they want guarantees before talks begin. tell me that

 

[Dobba]

What are you talking about, what is the cake?

No idea but I bet it either has 27 tiers or 27 bakers and the Germans did the icing. Or something.

 

[JPRouve]

Then why do they want guarantees before talks begin. tell me that

The EU didn't ask for guarantees before talks though.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Eu cant demand before that yet they still do. When will you start to get that?

Then why do they want guarantees before talks begin. tell me that

Some countries will not start talking until Article 50 has been triggered. Officially the UK haven't handed in their resignation letter, how can they discuss these things without it. Maybe they never will trigger article 50, then what.

If it was the other way round I would expect the EU to act first but it's the UK leaving and putting EU and UK citizens in difficulty as a result of their actions, not the EU's actions. If the Uk weren't leaving none of this would be happening.

I've seen posts on facebook, newspaper comments etc from Brexiteers who think that it is the EU holding up the triggering of Article 50. The same kind of people also think that the Uk leaves the EU the day they trigger Article 50 and the same people then complain that they are considered stupid by the Remainers

 

[Wibble]

This was a french dairy farmer that had to send his cows to slaughter cos of new eu rules. He was in tears but thats ok.

Sounds odd. Why?

Then some eastern Europeans were interviewed in the uk. 1.90 per hour they get paid for working in the fields.

That doesn't sound legal. And employment protection will significantly reduce after Brexit.

 

[JPRouve]

Sounds odd. Why?

Because when they complain a french politician tell them that it's Brussels fault despite the fact that a big part of them wouldn't exist without the EU.

 

[Stanley Road]

The EU didn't ask for guarantees before talks though.

Yes they did

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Because when they complain a french politician tell them that it's Brussels fault despite the fact that a big part of them wouldn't exist without the EU.

This sounds familiar.

 

[JPRouve]

Yes they did

No they didn't. Barnier said that when the Uk trigger art.50 only four points will be discussed one of them will be the status of EU and Brits citizens, the UK can fix that problem now or after triggering art.50.

 

[Stanley Road]

Some countries will not start talking until Article 50 has been triggered. Officially the UK haven't handed in their resignation letter, how can they discuss these things without it. Maybe they never will trigger article 50, then what.

If it was the other way round I would expect the EU to act first but it's the UK leaving and putting EU and UK citizens in difficulty as a result of their actions, not the EU's actions. If the Uk weren't leaving none of this would be happening.

I've seen posts on facebook, newspaper comments etc from Brexiteers who think that it is the EU holding up the triggering of Article 50. The same kind of people also think that the Uk leaves the EU the day they trigger Article 50 and the same people then complain that they are considered stupid by the Remainers

Guardian, couple of weeks ago, eu demands uk to guarantee eu citizens right to stay on uk.

Before, and i stress before, article 50 is triggered. How paul, how can they demand that?

 

[Paul the Wolf]

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ite-tariff-free-single-market-access-bridgend

Yet another car manufacturer in the UK wanting guarantees of the single market

We all know the price.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Guardian, couple of weeks ago, eu demands uk to guarantee eu citizens right to stay on uk.

Before, and i stress before, article 50 is triggered. How paul, how can they demand that?

I haven't seen that but they can't, no, but no discussions can start until A50 is triggered

 

[JPRouve]

I haven't seen that but they can't, no, but no discussions can start until A50 is triggered

Here you almost have the opposite.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ories-in-row-over-rights-of-eu-citizens-in-uk

 

[Stanley Road]

Because when they complain a french politician tell them that it's Brussels fault despite the fact that a big part of them wouldn't exist without the EU.

Well no cos its happening in holland too. If you care to watch the program it features people all over europe, not just tattooed grannies from essex that voted ukip

 

[Stanley Road]

No they didn't. Barnier said that when the Uk trigger art.50 only four points will be discussed one of them will be the status of EU and Brits citizens, the UK can fix that problem now or after triggering art.50.

Wrong but ok

 

[Stanley Road]

I haven't seen that but they can't, no, but no discussions can start until A50 is triggered

but they did cos thats how they work, when it suits us and all that. I reckon if the pound was worth 5.50 euros in 10 years time youd be ok with brexit.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Here you almost have the opposite.https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ories-in-row-over-rights-of-eu-citizens-in-uk

Yes I remember that, it just boils down to A50.

 

[Stanley Road]

I haven't seen that but they can't, no, but no discussions can start until A50 is triggered

No we tend not to see the things we dont want to

 

[Paul the Wolf]

but they did cos thats how they work, when it suits us and all that. I reckon if the pound was worth 5.50 euros in 10 years time youd be ok with brexit.

No, I think Brexit is a massive step backwards whatever the economies do. My biggest concern is the hatred and scapegoating which has been caused mainly because of mis-information , ignorance and bigotry together with the politicians without scruples(not only in the UK of course).

 

[Paul the Wolf]

No we tend not to see the things we dont want to

Send me the article

 

[Brownie85]

Send me the article

I've had a quick look about, and i can't find any article saying the EU wants guarantees for their citizens before A50 is triggered.
It'd seem a bit daft to me that they'd want guarantees for their citizens before we trigger A50, but are happy to leave the UK's citizens in limbo and refuse to discuss them until A50 is triggered.

 

[Stanley Road]

Send me the article

Ah, you dont belive it

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I've had a quick look about, and i can't find any article saying the EU wants guarantees for their citizens before A50 is triggered.
It'd seem a bit daft to me that they'd want guarantees for their citizens before we trigger A50, but are happy to leave the UK's citizens in limbo and refuse to discuss them until A50 is triggered.

I don't remember seeing one but I don't look every day.
As I said above, how can the EU do anything until A50 is triggered.
Both Stan and I are UK citizens living in Europe, I've decided to take French citizenship to avoid any problems in the future, just in case. But I don't feel it is up to the EU to do anything yet until the UK officially says something.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Ah, you dont belive it

I don't remember it but I don't look every day but I'd like to see it just the same, I believe you Stan

 

[Chorley1974]

No, I think Brexit is a massive step backwards whatever the economies do. My biggest concern is the hatred and scapegoating which has been caused mainly because of mis-information , ignorance and bigotry together with the politicians without scruples(not only in the UK of course).

You've been banging on with your economic predictions for months, now it's other reasons that are the biggest concerns. You will now peddle that anyone that voted brexit is racist

 

[Wibble]

Racism ranging from casual to rabid played a huge part in the vote even if not ever single person who voted to leave was a racist. Many who say that racism played no part then trot out typical, "Don't want foreigners controlling my country" before breaking in to a chorus of Land of Hope and Glory. Which is of course racist even if it isn't of the more overt vicious hatred sort.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

You've been banging on with your economic predictions for months, now it's other reasons that are the biggest concerns. You will now peddle that anyone that voted brexit is racist

I still stand by my economic predictions which is not going to help the UK or even the EU, even if it is to a lesser extent. Not everyone is racist, but there is certainly a large xenophobic nature to Brexit. There is also the misinformation about how the EU controls the UK.
When the legal side of it was referred to the Uk courts, judges were labelled as traitors, when the sovereignty issue comes up, Brexiters don't want parliament , which is sovereign, to vote on A50, when the House of Lords vote, they are threatened with being expunged if they don't comply.

What exactly do Brexiters want?

If the Uk goes down the tube economically it is not going to affect me. If the Uk throw out all EU citizens and the EU reciprocates it's not going to affect me either.

Globalisation is here, as said Boris - Can you remember when the UK was so divided

 

[711]

Can you remember when the UK was so divided

Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.

I lived through the Thatcher years , but that doesn't compare imo with what is happening to the UK now.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

Yeah, there's no comparison with the Thatcher years. To be fair that was quite a while ago I suppose, but you did ask.

I think it's on a par with the 80s, but the opposition is much more fractured.

 

[711]

I lived through the Thatcher years , but that doesn't compare imo with what is happening to the UK now.

Maybe, but it's noticeable that on here the majority of the over-excited are posting from outside the UK, whereas my experience within is that whilst there's been a lot of discussion, nearly everyone I've heard speak seemed to see both sides of the argument, and I often heard the phrase 'on balance', from both Leavers and Remainers. That sure didn't happen with Thatcher, you either loved her or wanted her dead. Painfully.

Now how people might feel if the economy tanks and unemployment rages will be another matter of course, I'm commentating on how people have felt up to now, not what might happen in the future.