He is a decent player albeit still young. He's been poor from what I hear and read for Sunderland but they're being managed by Moyes and the defence are fecking gash though so you can't really blame him. The fact he been capped 7 times for Belgium and he's only 20 tells you he's certainly not a bad player.
Moussa Dembele, Celtic
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Obviously sunderland isn't a great place to play for any players , its a constant revolving door that boils down to defoe plus ten, I think Moyes has made 13 signings there, not sure what happened to dithering Dave but he has gone to far the other way. I really haven't been convinced by him but from reputation seemed a bit of a standout at SPL.
Wanyama is a solid top 6 player - nothing special but decent enough. Van Dijk, however, is definitely one of the better central defenders in the league. He would start for most PL sides.
I see where you're coming from. For every Alli, you have a Depay, Babel, Markovic. But with Dembele, it's different because he's not actually been that special in the league despite his recent free scoring spree. He's shown against City and Barca this season he can hack it against the big boys.
He's closer to 22 than he is to 21. Bailly is 22, and was 22 for Villareal last year when he was pretty good. Denayer looked absolutely terrible every time I have seen him.
Another two goals so far tonight for the real Dembele.
Maybe we should be taking an interest. He looks like he could go on to be a top striker.
We were linked the other day but so have every other top team.
Tough to say how good he is. Scottish league is probably worse than the Championship where Dwight Gayle has 20 in 24...
That's what, his 31st goal in all competitions? What's the record for most goals in one season for Celtic, is he close at all?
I don't see people like Zidane praising Gayle tbf.
Larsson I assume but no idea how many.
Think Griffiths got 37 last year.
Dembele is half-way to Jimmy McGrory's record of 62.
Blimey.
Cheers for the Griffiths stat, though. Contextualises that this sort of stat should be expected of a starting striker at Celtic. Though I guess it's not as clear cut as that, seeing as Dembele is really only 20.Yeah. Larsson got 53 for Celtic and 6 for Sweden in 2000/01 which isn't far off the McGrory mark. And that was in a stronger SPL.Blimey.
Gayle is a more than decent player though. His goals to games ratio for Palace was quite good.
As for Dembélé, he is still raw in some areas. But from a physical perspective, he is a monster. Everything you could want.
Add in his ability to score with either foot and his aerial ability on top of that, and you have a very good prospect.
He has scored 5 goals against Rangers, 1 against Aberdeen, 2 against City and 1 against Gladbach.
How is his technique, hold up play, link up play, dribbling, pace, intelligence, vision, work rate etc?
Everyone knew Suarez would be top class despite playing in a wank league because his all round game was even more impressive than his scoring record.
Strikers with a great skillset usually almost always translate to tougher Leagues.
Everyone knew Suarez would be top class despite playing in a wank league because his all round game was even more impressive than his scoring record.
Strikers with a great skillset usually almost always translate to tougher Leagues.
I think it's very hard to judge him from watching the SPL this season, it's one of the worst leagues in Europe when you look of the state of the teams in it
Anyone know what happened with his proposed Spurs move?
I know he had a medical to join Spurs from Fulham, but then it fell through for some reason?! Would have been a free transfer too if I remember right
They'll probably end up signing him now for about £40m
I know he had a medical to join Spurs from Fulham, but then it fell through for some reason?! Would have been a free transfer too if I remember right
They'll probably end up signing him now for about £40m
That's the thing with Dembele, he's showing more than just goal scoring. He's good all round and can create chances for himself and others with his dribbling and link up play.
Basically everything had been agreed but Spurs refused to loan him back to Fulham until the end of the season and Fulham pulled the plug.
Blimey.
Griffith hit 31 in 34 games in the SPL last year, Dembele is currently on 17 in 25.
It was his medical that was the issue.
I'm not sure about that. All of the reports indicated at the time that the deal collapsed due to Spurs not allowing him to join Fulham on loan for the remainder of the season (back last Jan). Recent reports (as of last week) seem to indicate that there were issues with the medical but this is very conflicting to every other report that had circulated for over a year.
His first goal last night would have been an embarrassment in a Sunday league match.
Blimey.
I think it's far more about potential really. It's been clear since Dembele broke into the Fulham team at 16 that he was a special talent and for a few years now, he's been coveted by the very top clubs. He's also broken into the French U21 side and has scored 4 in 4 to-date (I would imagine that the French U21 team are quite a talented bunch).
Yeah Griffiths has scored a-lot of goals for Celtic but it's pretty clear that he is at his level and he only broke into the Wolves team when they were relegated to League 1 whereas, Dembele was a regular for Fulham in the Championship last season at 18 and was scoring regularly enough.
People solely focusing on his goal scoring in the SPL haven't really followed his career, I can only assume. His potential is absolutely huge and that's why nearly every top club around Europe is watching him and Zidane took the time out to praise him. No one is talking about him due to the goals he's scored for Celtic in the SPL, it's because his potential is incredible and yeah, 31 goals for Celtic this season at the age of 20 can't be sniffed at either. Anyone who watched him in the CL for Celtic early on the season, must surely have seen how he didn't look out of place at all and caused City all sorts of problems.
That's not what I've heard, there are strong rumours that something nasty came up in his medical that was enough for Spurs to decide not to sign him.
Possibly. Give it a Google though and all the stories that emanated at the time were all to do with the fact that Fulham wanted him back on loan and Spurs said no chance. Only last week did stories start emerging that it was a medical issue. Hard to know what to believe, as for a year or over, everyone was led to believe that the loan aspect killed the deal.
If that's true someone in the Spurs medical department made a massive mistake.
Dembele has had no serious injury problems this season (or ever?) and even if something might pop up in future, the low initial out lay would of made the risk worth it imo.
I guess we will be able to make a more accurate assessment of that decision in a few years time
Maybe he got lucky or maybe it's an issue that is degenerative and might only become a problem over a period of time. We don't know.
Here's just one of the many stories about the loan.
He's an amazing player and wish we could get him.
He has always been good with France's youth teams. Bayern have been linked with him and I hope that it's genuine.
I wouldn't mind us having a look at him when Zlatan goes.
Can't really see us going for him after Lewandowski extended his contract, we can't offer him playing time. Especially since Lewa is almost never injured and has probably at least 4 years left at top level.
Yep there certainlu were a few reports saying that.
I guess it just doesn't make all that much sense. Firstly, if we were that desperate to get him that we wouldn't even loan him out, seems strange we'd then be willing let the whole deal collapse instead. And we'd obviously just done it with Alli too (and maybe Bale too, though I can't remember 100% now).
Just seems a bit strange. Who knows though?
IMO a transfer of another Moussa Dembele to Spurs should be disallowed for headfeck reasons.
I completely missed that extension, Bayern isn't a good fit then.
Perhaps the real reason the deal collapsed. One of the Dembeles couldn't handle the idea of there being another and kiboshed the deal.
Yeah, even at the time - considering how highly coveted he was - I was kind of surprised that you's would let the deal collapse on the basis of that one factor. It's hardly like he would have seen all that much playing time between Feb - May anyway, and surely for his development, loaning him back to Fulham would have been the best option for both parties.