Nothing guarantees you a job anywhere and get this, not even the eu will do that.
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Nothing guarantees you a job anywhere and get this, not even the eu will do that.
No paul it isn't but you get the drift, i know you do.
But the point is that the cheap labour will come from somewhere, whether it's EU citizens or Africans or Asians or wherever - or the other alternative is that companies will go out of business or prices will skyrocket. As you said 'that's life'
There's that classic one with the Sikh girl instantly regretting her and her family's decision to vote Brexit the day after... Silly bitch.
It really was an odd decision to allow Mali into the EU.
Well im all for that, lets see the real costs, let's see companies go down the pan, lets see banks fail and countries go bankrupt then we will really know where we are at. We are living unrealistically and it needs to change. 5 quid a pint of milk then fine, lets drive prices and wages up not down. Lets see how the people react to that. I'm all for it.
Sorry, i thought Italy was in timbuktu
But it's been like that since the dawn of time.
150 years ago the UK ruled a quarter of the earth, exploited people left right and centre, the rich were really rich, and the poor were extremely poor and that includes Brits.
Even that was a considerable advance from from Tudor times or medieval times right back through history.
The world evolves and gradually people have better lives, this has not reached everybody and there's a long way to go .
50 years ago who would have thought China or India would become major world players.
Brexit is a major step backwards for me.
I never said it did. The EU does however offer me the opportunity to find jobs across 27 nations visa free
This is no reason to stick with the norm for me and just cos "thats how its always been" doesn't suit me.
Let the people rise up amd protest.
you are my accuser, now look in my face
Your oppression reeks of your greed and disgrace
So one man has and another has not
How can you love what it is you have got
When you took it all from the weak hands of the poor?
Liars and thieves you know not what is in store
There will come a time I will look in your eye
You will pray to the God that you always denied
Let the people rise up amd protest.
you are my accuser, now look in my face
Your oppression reeks of your greed and disgrace
So one man has and another has not
How can you love what it is you have got
When you took it all from the weak hands of the poor?
Liars and thieves you know not what is in store
There will come a time I will look in your eye
You will pray to the God that you always denied
So where are you going next?
Wherever I want in the eu...... for the next 2 years.
But the EU is not how it's always been, it is a comparatively recent project which still has to develop , still has to improve. The Uk could have helped to improve it from within.
I don't see how by being outside on its own, the life of an average Brit is going to improve by leaving. As you know I believe the opposite will happen. I've said before, be careful what you wish for.
Wherever i choose
He obviously took the Brexit result quite badly.
http://news.sky.com/story/asda-shel...to-join-militants-in-post-brexit-low-10788720
Among the equipment was Kevlar-lined underpants called "Blast Boxers".
http://news.sky.com/story/asda-shel...to-join-militants-in-post-brexit-low-10788720
Among the equipment was Kevlar-lined underpants called "Blast Boxers".
Not reaching any sort of deal will cost a hell of a lot more in the mid to long term than a "divorce bill".
Wallking straight off that cliff with smiles on their faces...
Like the crazy coyote who runs off the cliff and, finding himself suspended momentarily in midair, smiles and thinks everything's fine. We all know what happens next.
Yeah, because if something isn't working the way you want, the very best thing you can do is burn it to the group and hope something better materializes in its place.
I think the thing that makes me most furious (and it's a fairly long list to be fair) is that the pro-Leave people don't seem to have any interest in actually building a new system themselves. It's always just 'we want something better!' and then the people who never wanted the change in the first place are left to fix it all.
Where are the deep, carefully planned strategies from Leave campaigners laying out a roadmap for a future economic direction? No, instead we just get some vague bullshit about new trade deals that are just going to materialize and the rest is left for someone else to figure out.
Oh come on @Kentonio, we all know that if everything turns to shit post Brexit it will be the vindictive EU and the uncooperative remainers that scuppered it.
The same can be said about the stay camp.
Where are your carefully planned strategies for change in the eu?
How would you have convinced the other 27 nations?
Why are you all so negative?
At least they may cheer the feck up as they all shout "Told you so"
One thing I have never got about the 'trade deals'
If we have all this trade we could do with the US, India and everywhere, why haven't we been doing those trade deals for the last 40 years, given we have the EU trade agreements to do it with?
What changes, what trade is going to materialise outside the EU that we did not have inside it?
If we have all this trade we could do with the US, India and everywhere, why haven't we been doing those trade deals for the last 40 years, given we have the EU trade agreements to do it with?
What changes, what trade is going to materialise outside the EU that we did not have inside it?
You already said that, and repeated it once before. Can you respond to my arguement or not? Of course I blame it on the EU, they forced it upon is, they didn't take responsibility for making sure it worked out right, and they prevented national governments from adressing the problems with it.
And on rich bits of Western Europe, the problem is it's not their money, they have lots of overhead and the spending is not democratically checked.
Most countries had those protections in place well before the EU existed. It's a good thing there's one body to work out rules for the whole of the EU, but this not about safety helmet requirements, this is about jobs and wages. The number of laws the EU produces is irrelevant.
Don't you read anything I write? I thought I made it perfectly clear that I'm just opposed to mass migration because of differences in living costs and the wages related to it.
If you could think any further than your own self interest, you'd see there something very wrong with the EU. And as I already pointed out twice, there's nothing wrong with moving from the UK to Germany or the other way around. You move there because there is a job you like there, not because the wages are much higher because life is much more expensive.
Is that all? I thought foreigners were supposed to get equally bad treatment.
Why do you assume we wanted change in the EU?
Simply because I do so love to play devils advocate you can flip this argument entirely on its head and say that the pro-remain people have no interest in actually changing the current system even though a majority of those who voted wanted some form of change. Its the typical liberal response of 'we get you are angry/dissatisfied/disenfranchised ' but be damned if we are going to alter things because 'we are alright jack' and 'we know whats good for you'. No wonder countries end up in shambolic messes. Those in power hear but refuse to take notice.
Many of us recognized that the changes that are so desperately needed are actually needed at a national level. The EU has always been a lazy scapegoat for the major issues which can all be sorted by our own governments. Except that means taking responsibility for the problems, and hey why bother when you can just blame it on the foreigners instead.
Just a wild guess based on some posts in the previous 300 pages of this thread
You didn't want change in your previous post
I said changes made on a national level. The stuff that actually matters, such as the diminishing of workers rights and opportunities have feck all to do with the EU. After Brexit the same problems will still be there, only now we'll also be a poorer country, making conditions even harder on the poor.
I suggest you try telling the Greeks that reduced workers rights, unemployment levels and increasing debt has 'feck all to do with the EU'.
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There is no argument other than it's difficult to police. The answer is not to stop freedom of movement. The answer is to enforce the law effectively.
No, the poor bits, like Wales and the north east of England. The EU has a staff smaller than Birmingham city council. The rules around how money is spent are agreed by the nation states, so their is democratic over site.
They did, but to facilitate trade and prevent a race to the bottom on safety and environmental standards these have been agreed at EU level.
If Britain enforced minimum wage laws there wouldn't be the difference.
If you could see at all you'd know you're blaming the wrong people for the problems you identify
Do you know what Greece was like before they joined the EU?
Greece never joined the EU.
I'm happily telling that to every single Greek I ever see. And they agree.
They've brought this upon themselves and can be lucky the EU bailed them out again and again. Without the EU, the country would be some third world shithole already.
Err what?
What the feck are you talking about?
The EU, Greece joined the EC in the early 80's, but that was a very different institution.