yes.
his analysis is top notch.
very good football knowledge.
EDIT: fun guy to banter with.
Should Wenger be sacked?
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yes.
his analysis is top notch.
very good football knowledge.
EDIT: fun guy to banter with.
Haha. Yes, I remember being very well versed and articulate on a whole range of football topics.
Alas, you'll probably be disappointed to here I compared him to Ty in the other thread! However, only to the borderline evangelical extent to which he used to defend Arsene. He used to have some blazing rows with the other gooner regular, Jopub, about if change was needed at Arsenal.
I remarked as to whether he still felt the same way. Judging by your initial post perhaps there has been a slight shift in opinion.
I like them both.
Jopub stopped posting a long time ago though.
Both have terrific knowledge of the game. Though they did disagree about Wenger
The funny thing is that I don't actually blame Wenger for Arsenal's plight, it's been the board and their obsession with balancing the books or trying to save money when it's been clear for years that they needed major investment. Wenger has evolved into the manager he is today simply becasue the message from up high has been Champions League qualification and a decent showing in the league is all that is required, he's done exactly that.
He was a great poster.
used to blame the board myself. But some gooners think Wenger has not spent wisely or worse not spent at all.
like 4 years ago.
The delusion is in thinking any manager would be able to do much better than Wenger under the same financial constraints. Hence the calls for Wenger to resign so that the club freefalls and the board is forced to put more money into the club.
There are some things that can and should be blamed on the board. I'll save those for later and just list the festering issues that are strictly Wenger's domain.
1. Mismanagement of injuries. Literally been a problem going on 15 years. For well over a decade we were either 1st or 2nd in injury table with no changes at all until last year when we appointed Shad Forsythe. Just last month Wenger plays Ramsey who had niggling injury and Ramsey gets injured. This falls on Wenger as there is a chronic mismanagement of injury issue with Wenger consistently bringing back players too soon.
2. Outdated Socialist Wage Structure. The biggest single issue holding back Arsenal from achieving economic efficiency at our current level of investment is the outdated wage structure which systematically over pays mediocre squad dross and underpays our best players for over a decade. From Squillaci to Chamakh to a number of our current "British core" squad players have consistently earned more per week at Arsenal than they would on the open market.
3. Charity Contracts. Connected to the above problem is that in the last 8-9 Wenger has lost his ruthlessness and gives out the most baffling charity contracts to his favored players even if they are not contributing on the pitch. Diaby he kept faith in 4 full years past a logical sell-by date. He extended Arteta 1-2 years after Arteta's legs had completely gone. This problem is also not changing. This year Wenger extended Per Mertesacker's contract who hasn't played yet the whole season. Even extending Santi Cazorla this year was madness. Sure he has been great and important but for two seasons in a row he can only stay healthy for 2-3 months at best! At his age, that is not someone who should be given a 100K a week contract extension. Its just piss poor economic efficiency.
4. Favoritism and wasting players. Some of Wenger's favored players seem to have permanent spots in the starting XI. And his unfavored players he leaves to rot on the bench. Joel Campbell is a perfect example. Wenger clearly didn't rate him for years. So why keep him just to rot on the bench? Makes no sense. After Campbell's good WC we could have sold him for 12M or so that summer. But Wenger kept him, almost never played him, now he loans him out and Campbell has lost all value on the market. Perez is another example. Looks good the few chances he gets, better than most of our players this year yet doesn't get a chance.
So those are a few clearly problematic areas that Wenger has let fester. Wenger is far too stubborn to change. He is too attached to wanting to prove all the critics wrong. So for those issues to change (and there are still more) we simply need a new manager with fresh ideas and a fresh perspective.
very good post.
I asked a gooner about Campbell after his impressive WC performance. He felt Wenger thought him too young.
Wenger seems to have lost his touch from those days.
He may well be on his way out.
I asked a gooner about Campbell after his impressive WC performance. He felt Wenger thought him too young.
Wenger seems to have lost his touch from those days.
He may well be on his way out.
A truly fecking nightmare. Image the atmospheer at the Emirates next seasonFor you
I think what United went through during and post-moyes eras affected the board's decision. The board is just way too risk averse. They would rather settle for mediocrity than take a gamble.
Ideal timeline for me would be:-
1. Arsenal win 5 games in a row. Wenger signs new contract.
2. Arsenal fan meltdown.
3. Form dips and Arsenal miss out on top 4.
4. Arsenal fan meltdown.
5. Wenger sees out contract and leaves club in 2019.
6. Arsenal fans rejoice.
7. Piers Morgan is found dead at home after his celebratory asphyxiwank goes wrong.
8. Arsenal sign David Moyes on 6 year contract.
9. Arsenal fan meltdown.
10. Moyes hints at big signing.
11. Arsenal fans mildly optimistic.
12. Wenger joins new club and spends £200 million on players in his first few weeks.
13. Arsenal fan meltdown.
14. Moyes spunks entire summer transfer budget buying Fellaini from Utd.
15. Arsenal fan meltdown, realising when Moyes said big he was actually talking about height.
16. Wenger wins league in first year at new club.
17. Arsenal fan meltdown.
1. Arsenal win 5 games in a row. Wenger signs new contract.
2. Arsenal fan meltdown.
3. Form dips and Arsenal miss out on top 4.
4. Arsenal fan meltdown.
5. Wenger sees out contract and leaves club in 2019.
6. Arsenal fans rejoice.
7. Piers Morgan is found dead at home after his celebratory asphyxiwank goes wrong.
8. Arsenal sign David Moyes on 6 year contract.
9. Arsenal fan meltdown.
10. Moyes hints at big signing.
11. Arsenal fans mildly optimistic.
12. Wenger joins new club and spends £200 million on players in his first few weeks.
13. Arsenal fan meltdown.
14. Moyes spunks entire summer transfer budget buying Fellaini from Utd.
15. Arsenal fan meltdown, realising when Moyes said big he was actually talking about height.
16. Wenger wins league in first year at new club.
17. Arsenal fan meltdown.
You may want to take another look at your list @Lan
Totally agree with Eckers, he has done well for them yet with player unrest and the fans split now is the time to move on. Hopefully it will be a mutual decision though if they finish 5th instead of the usual top four he may go with the fans thinking he stayed one season too many.
Wenger out banners at Emirates
Wenger is outdated, but their board are out of touch with expectations.
Bob Bradley is looking for work.
He'll leave and Arsenal will be a worse team without him, like we were (and still are) after Fergie.
He probably should have gone in 2008 after surrendering the title, although I understand why he stayed on. Arsenal have missed a trick by allowing Jose, Pep, Klopp, Anchelotti, Conte all get snapped up in the past 18 months. Diego Simone would be perfect for them, he is the ultimate fighter and would drive winning mentality into them. Arsenal have a squad that rivals anyone in England, yet every year come unstuck. As a Spurs fan I pray he signs that 2 year deal, I think he won't this time though.
I 10-2 think he's a goner now
there's a CL manager at Sunderland free soon. Experience on the continent, hard working...
I'd been assuming he'd be gone at the end of the season. Now I'm wondering if he just goes now?
Ferguson was the best manager ever in England, he won the league with arguably his weakest title winning squad, you then brought in Moyes, and LVG.... of course you ended up being a worse side. Arsenal have a great squad, and will lose their best player if he stays, a top manager transforms Arsenal. People act like Arsenal are still winning titles, they can't be compared to United losing Fergie.
There is a reason why he qualifies for the ucl every year, it helps that the league is all they have to play for in the last two months of the season for most years in the past 10 years.
Wenger did amazing things for Arsenal...15 years ago. It doesn't give him the right to stay there as long as he pleases, he should have some pride and leave.
Similar to Van Gaal but dragged out over the best part of a decade. Clear that how he sees the game isn't how it works any more. His approach, his tactics are outdated. Football's moved on and Wenger's still trying to party like it's 2004.
Poor chap has been on the wrong end of some absolute thrashings.
Italian Tv just said Allegri is very likely to become our new manager.
Here's hoping!
Wenger isn't helped by the fact his players are quitters. Although they may just be taking their cue from the manager. They were still so open even after going a man down. Little game intelligence on display. It's hard to tell who is at fault sometimes.
There isn't enough quality in the side. I'd sell off three quarters of them if I could.
There isn't enough quality in the side. I'd sell off three quarters of them if I could.
Where is the regular Arsenal rival thread? Is it still being used?
I'm calling it - He's gone within the next 7 days.
Not sure but I remember the 'Arsene Wenger: The Man The Mystery' thread being pretty good. Seems like it's been ditched now.
If they lose to Lincoln then he really should be sacked then and there on the spot. His legacy is pretty much in tatters already.
Nah...if he goes, he goes at the end of the season.
Wengerin
Looks like he'll get the sack at the end of the season now. Not sure if its a good thing or not. He's a good guarantee for them to do nothing outside of qualifying but if they can relieve a CL spot by dropping out the top four for a few years then it would help, what with Spurs being up there.
What I can never understand with Wenger is he had strong tall players with ability like Vieira, Pires and so on then for the last whatever it's been, 10-15 years he's relied on these lightweight poser manicured players.
What I can never understand with Wenger is he had strong tall players with ability like Vieira, Pires and so on then for the last whatever it's been, 10-15 years he's relied on these lightweight poser manicured players.
Losing Wenger, Sanchez and Ozil in one summer is going to be quite the blow if it happens