Should Wenger be sacked?
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Absolute waste of time, the greedy owners/board or whatever are killing that club, it would be okay if they at least invested that money in some way to make the team competitve in Europe, their defeat to Bayern was embarrassing.
It's just mismanagement.
Just look at the trend football has followed over the last decade. Clubs that are winners have exponential rise in sponsorship value etc. Pouring money into the club is far more likely to reap massive dividends than sitting back and waiting for 4th place. You already have 6 clubs vying for 4 spots in the premier league. Clubs like United and Chelsea are also doing it for the money -- they just have a better strategy. Arsenal will be left behind.
Chelsea is not really a good example. Roman poured what a billion pounds into Chelsea and is paying their new stadium? He basically just gave them a massive donation to modernize their club and had the first mover advantage of being first sugar daddy. Not really comparable at all to United, Arsenal, Tottenham or Liverpool. Kroenke's Arsenal asset has already made him £600M for doing virtually nothing. While I certainly don't deny that there are better, more profitable strategies available to Arsenal, from a lazy investor perspective (not a fan's) Kroenke's decisions are certainly logical.
If Wenger transitions into managing a national team, I hope he brings success to them. Imagine his side winning a World Cup the after all the years of underwhelming at Arsenal.
That DT ranter guy on Arsenal Fan TV got it right when he said "we are getting the same results now and finishing the same in the league as when we had Chamakh in the team and now we have Sanchez and Ozil" or something like that when he was talking to G Nev
You have to believe that this manager doesn't know how to change to win the league regardless of the players at his disposal as his refusal to change and adapt game to game will always be his downfall. I have never known a top club to get as many drubbings as they get in recent seasons Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea et al have all handily beaten them scoring 4 or 5 goals more than once
You have to believe that this manager doesn't know how to change to win the league regardless of the players at his disposal as his refusal to change and adapt game to game will always be his downfall. I have never known a top club to get as many drubbings as they get in recent seasons Bayern, Liverpool, Chelsea et al have all handily beaten them scoring 4 or 5 goals more than once
As a Financial manager, Wenger doesn't deserve to be sacked. And the shareholders know it.
Ultimately this is the main thing keeping him in a job now. He's a shareholders dream. I'm not sure Arsenal fans are passionate enough to push Wenger out for it to make financial sense for the board to let him go. I actually think he'll leave through personal choice in summer, just out of self respect.
I expect this will all pass again soon - once the second Bayern game is in the past then Arsenal fans can start focusing on the FA Cup semi-final, where Wenger can get some credit back. The team can at that point concentrate on another top 4 finish, and things will be back to their usual calm for a while. If Arsenal manage to advance past the FA semi and maybe even win it then Wenger will renew in the after-glow of that and Groundhog Day can start all over again.
He's become the equivalent of politicians who routinely promise that 'lessons will be learnt'.
Like it or not Football is a business and everyone is in it to make money. Fans are paying customers. However, the fans can make their voices heard. Arsenal are an example of a business minded club taken to extremes. They are milking the fans with totally no commitment to deliver trophies. When the Glazers took over UTD many people protested but look how that has worked out? At least there is still proper and serious investment taking place, they didn't just focus on commercial deals and decide that there was no need to reinvest in the playing squad.
When Wenger leaves, their choice of successor will provide a very strong clue as to what their board's intentions are. Will they sign a serious manager like Mourinho / Guardiola who can win things? Or will they go for an unproven, low cost manager like Howe, or a mediocre one like Rodgers, and just try their luck?
We UTD fans are actually quite lucky that our owners aren't like Arsenal's owners.
When Wenger leaves, their choice of successor will provide a very strong clue as to what their board's intentions are. Will they sign a serious manager like Mourinho / Guardiola who can win things? Or will they go for an unproven, low cost manager like Howe, or a mediocre one like Rodgers, and just try their luck?
We UTD fans are actually quite lucky that our owners aren't like Arsenal's owners.
Wow. 30m a year 
Just goes to show that many footballers/managers won't move to China regardless of money being offered. I can't blame them - it's a huge cultural change moving from West to East.
Fair play to him. I would never go there.
Arsenal's not that bad a place.
'Masochist Wenger admits his job hurts but hints at staying at Arsenal'
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...not-looking-new-job-arsenal-barcelona-vacancy
It's a bloody charade, this fantasy that Wenger is objective & magnanimous enough to let the Arsenal board decide on his future, and that they're not content to let him stay as long as wishes. An insult to Gooners who want much-needed change. I could've done without the sycophantic reportage too; it's not supposed to be Arsenal's or their fans' job to provide Wenger with his raison d'etre and his pet project. I've written this before but, again: Arsenal are a club held hostage.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...not-looking-new-job-arsenal-barcelona-vacancy
It's a bloody charade, this fantasy that Wenger is objective & magnanimous enough to let the Arsenal board decide on his future, and that they're not content to let him stay as long as wishes. An insult to Gooners who want much-needed change. I could've done without the sycophantic reportage too; it's not supposed to be Arsenal's or their fans' job to provide Wenger with his raison d'etre and his pet project. I've written this before but, again: Arsenal are a club held hostage.
My take on it is Arsene is going to leave regardless at the end of this season. The Arsenal board and Arsene were a match made in heaven. The board wanted a stable team that made it to the CL every season without a lot of investment and Arsene was vary of talking too much risk himself. Even if money was available, Arsene rarely spent because with new shiny toys will come the pressure of expectations.
Wenger is going nowhere.
He is simply waiting for the anger to die down, finish in the top 4 and possibly win another FA cup.
Then he'll act all smug and sign a new 3 year deal.
Yep.
Wenger seems to be getting more and more unhinged. The pressure is showing and he is finally losing the plot.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...enger-priest-20-years-arsenal-premier-league/
He referred to himself as a "football priest", "a specialist in machocism", and said that his job is "90 per cent gratification". Also had a dig at the media and said that if Luis Enrique needs time out, then he will need 10 years out. The words of a raving lunatic. He is finally caving in. He sounds like he has been truly broken.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/foot...enger-priest-20-years-arsenal-premier-league/
He referred to himself as a "football priest", "a specialist in machocism", and said that his job is "90 per cent gratification". Also had a dig at the media and said that if Luis Enrique needs time out, then he will need 10 years out. The words of a raving lunatic. He is finally caving in. He sounds like he has been truly broken.
Almost like that is a message to the Arsenal fans. Get off his back, see how loyal he is to your cause.
Being played like a fiddle.
Wenger will only leave when he decides to. And he doesn't seem like he's close to that point yet.
This.
I said it from day one, he's going nowhere. I'm pretty sure the contract is signed. He and the board are just waiting for a convenient time to announce it. Arsenal fans are being played for fools.
Ah, armchair psychology. Didn't they say that about Mourinho?
Conte should've been Mourinho's assistant, don't you know?
Wenger usually says the money is available, so he's either stuck in the past with his valuations of players, and refuses to pay more, or he's content to cover for the board by pretending that lack of funds isn't an issue. Either one should be cause for concern.
How would you feel if he stays?
Wenger spent £90m last summer. How could he be refusing to pay more when he just signed xkaka for 30m and Mustafi for 35m.
That's 2 of only 4 signings over £20m that Wenger has made in his entire time at Arsenal. At a time when the best players are now in the £60m + bracket, Wenger is dipping his toe in at the £30m mark, probably grudgingly at that.
I would be more worried than pissed off because it could cause a toxic mood.
I think he wants to stay and is going to. Club also want him to stay.
I've said this already but the true measure of a club's financial means is the wage bill. Arsenal's is very close to city's this season. So no, money is definitely not an issue. It's the way wenger is using that money that's the problem
Of course, the problem is our fans.
In what sense if you don't mind me asking?
There would be more protests than support. They would make life so difficult for him.
Surely on dodgy ground if the result remains...