Cristiano Ronaldo - Performances (wums will be thread banned)

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Adisa said:
I doubt we'll ever see anything like him. Just the sheer desperation to improve himself is something I don't think I'll ever see again.
I remember seeing a video of him trying to do a trick. Chelsea fans were mocking him for failing. 99% of players would not have bothered trying to do it again for fear of looking even more stupid...not Ronaldo.
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Well put.

That's Ronaldo's biggest talent for me, other than the God given ability of course. The way he's just clearly given everything he possibly could to be the absolute best he could be.

What a player he's been.

So many players when faced with a rival as superhuman as Messi would have happily accepted being the 2nd best player but he's not done that. He's fought as hard as he possibly could and rivals him all the way. Incredible.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Well put.

That's Ronaldo's biggest talent for me, other than the God given ability of course. The way he's just clearly given everything he possibly could to be the absolute best he could be.

What a player he's been.

So many players when faced with a rival as superhuman as Messi would have happily accepted being the 2nd best player but he's not done that. He's fought as hard as he possibly could and rivals him all the way. Incredible.
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I remember reading one of his interviews when Messi had won 4 straight Balon d'ors and he was still on the one. He said, he would prove he's the best.
I was like, "leave it out mate, you've lost". Remarkable spirit.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Well put.

That's Ronaldo's biggest talent for me, other than the God given ability of course. The way he's just clearly given everything he possibly could to be the absolute best he could be.

What a player he's been.

So many players when faced with a rival as superhuman as Messi would have happily accepted being the 2nd best player but he's not done that. He's fought as hard as he possibly could and rivals him all the way. Incredible.
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You could also say that Messi was faced with a superhuman rival in Ronaldo and fought hard to perform at his level.:)

But it's not like Messi just presses a button and plays like this, he probably worked quite hard as well.

For me it's also a big + Ronaldo has over Messi, that he's also done it in the best league in the world.
 
Adisa said:
I doubt we'll ever see anything like him. Just the sheer desperation to improve himself is something I don't think I'll ever see again.
I remember seeing a video of him trying to do a trick. Chelsea fans were mocking him for failing. 99% of players would not have bothered trying to do it again for fear of looking even more stupid...not Ronaldo.
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I remember that clip well, he executed it perfectly on the second try and the Chelsea fans didn't have a choice but to cheer :lol:
 
totaalvoetbal said:
Ronaldo plays Dortmund twice this season and has scored 1 goal over 2 games against them with forgettable performances.

He was non existent against Barcelona in December.

Bayern have lost to Atletico Madrid already this season and haven't beaten a great team this year so saying they are much stronger than Barcelona is fallacy based on no evidence. Where is this Bayern hype coming from?

My point is that in the context of being called the 'best footballer' he is nothing more than a poacher. His performance was Inzaghi like and had it been Inzaghi thay scored those 2 goals noone would care.

Again this is in context of people saying he is the best.

Judging him just as a goal scorer, he is fantastic and is the greatest alongside Bican, Gerd Muller, Pele and Messi.

He is just so variable in terms of the goals he can score from supply. It is easier ton get goals out of him than any other player because he is good in the box, arguably the best aerial forward of all time alongside Santillana, van Basten, Gerd Muller etc.
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It's not as if goals win you football matches or anything :lol:
 
dannyrhinos89 said:
Yeah thats the way I see it and that's exactly why I think Ronaldo is better than Messi.

Thing with Messi is he's played in an extremely dominant Barca team all his career.

If he would've moved to another team then he wouldn't have hit anywhere near the figures he has done. The fact Ronaldo has been successful at another club is what edges him in front add to that his international trophy too and he's clearly the better player.
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I think that argument would carry more weight had he done it at a lesser club. The reality is that he left one top team for another. There's no reason why he shouldn't have carried on scoring goals etc.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
Ronaldo plays Dortmund twice this season and has scored 1 goal over 2 games against them with forgettable performances.

He was non existent against Barcelona in December.

Bayern have lost to Atletico Madrid already this season and haven't beaten a great team this year so saying they are much stronger than Barcelona is fallacy based on no evidence. Where is this Bayern hype coming from?

My point is that in the context of being called the 'best footballer' he is nothing more than a poacher. His performance was Inzaghi like and had it been Inzaghi thay scored those 2 goals noone would care.

Again this is in context of people saying he is the best.

Judging him just as a goal scorer, he is fantastic and is the greatest alongside Bican, Gerd Muller, Pele and Messi.

He is just so variable in terms of the goals he can score from supply. It is easier ton get goals out of him than any other player because he is good in the box, arguably the best aerial forward of all time alongside Santillana, van Basten, Gerd Muller etc.
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But that's not true though. No one is saying he is the best because of yesterday's game. People are calling him great because of his achievement where he became th top scorer of the CL.

It's wrong to say he is just a poacher though. How many poachers do you know who also end up as someone with highest assists for the club? Ronaldo had more than 10 assists and more than 30 goals for the last 2 seasons

Edit- Bayern just beat Dortmund by a big margin last week. Clearly they are a level above
 
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Dobbs said:
You're seriously misrepresenting his argument there.
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How so?

You're trying to say that because he only scores goals, he shouldn't be regarded as one of the best of all time. I'm telling you goals decide matches.
But not only that, Ronaldo racks up the one of the highest amount of assists in the CL as well. He can do it all.

He's not just a poacher.. far from it. Even then, I'd rather a poacher who scores 50+ goals a season and decides games more than a creative midfielder who influences games but doesn't actually decide games in the caliber of Ronnie.
 
Dobbs said:
I think that argument would carry more weight had he done it at a lesser club. The reality is that he left one top team for another. There's no reason why he shouldn't have carried on scoring goals etc.
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Yeah we were good at that point but My point on that was if you took Messi out of Barca and put him in out team I don't think he could perform like Ronaldo did for us. I know it's cliche saying but that cold night at away at stoke comment comes to mind. Ronaldo could perform in those games. Messi...I can't see it. It's all opinion though.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
Ronaldo plays Dortmund twice this season and has scored 1 goal over 2 games against them with forgettable performances.

He was non existent against Barcelona in December.

Bayern have lost to Atletico Madrid already this season and haven't beaten a great team this year so saying they are much stronger than Barcelona is fallacy based on no evidence. Where is this Bayern hype coming from?

My point is that in the context of being called the 'best footballer' he is nothing more than a poacher. His performance was Inzaghi like and had it been Inzaghi thay scored those 2 goals noone would care.

Again this is in context of people saying he is the best.

Judging him just as a goal scorer, he is fantastic and is the greatest alongside Bican, Gerd Muller, Pele and Messi.

He is just so variable in terms of the goals he can score from supply. It is easier ton get goals out of him than any other player because he is good in the box, arguably the best aerial forward of all time alongside Santillana, van Basten, Gerd Muller etc.
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But he wasn't always just a poacher. He's changed his game. He used to be a great dribbler and exciting to watch. Then he became that with goals. Then he moved on and scored more goals. Now he plays in a different position and still scores a lot of goals. Inzaghi could never do that.

Your entire post is just off
 
Rossa said:
But he wasn't always just a poacher. He's changed his game. He used to be a great dribbler and exciting to watch. Then he became that with goals. Then he moved on and scored more goals. Now he plays in a different position and still scores a lot of goals. Inzaghi could never do that.

Your entire post is just off
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It does not matter mate, Cruijffians think they invented football, let them live in their bubble and believe in their lies.
 
Billy Blaggs said:
Maybe we should say we are watching the Pele vs Maradona of this generation. Of that I don't think there is an argument.
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Well, pele and maradona played in different eras so there's no comparison at all really.
 
totaalvoetbal said:
It was a good perfomances but nothing that would make you get off your seat. I don't see any difference between what he did and Inzaghi in his final years but the latter didn't have the name Ronaldo attached to his name.

Mbappe and Dybala both had better games than him in this round yet no one is waxing lyrical about it.

He had a great perfomances for a poacher.

Note that when talking about Ronaldo I talk about him in the context of being called 'the best footballer'.
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Yeah it's not like he has the most assists in CL history either, he's just simply a goalscorer apparently.

Don't mistake his incredible goal scoring stats for thinking that's all he does.
 
Dobbs said:
I think that argument would carry more weight had he done it at a lesser club. The reality is that he left one top team for another. There's no reason why he shouldn't have carried on scoring goals etc.
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Tbf Barca have been a top team in Europe ever since Messi came into the team. We had a massive dip between our title in 2003 to 2006 and then when he joined Madrid they hadn't been past the second round of the CL for like 6 years in a row.
 
SCP said:
It does not matter mate, Cruijffians think they invented football, let them live in their bubble and believe in their lies.
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There really is a cult of posters on here that follow the Cruyff way of playing football and act extremely arrogant towards all other forms of football and players.

They almost seem to act as if they're a level above everyone.
 
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Interesting Ronaldo question, I'm not sure which i'd choose myself.

Who would you rather have back at united? The player who left us, or current version of Ronaldo?
 
Arbitrium said:
Interesting Ronaldo question, I'm not sure which i'd choose myself.

Who would you rather have back at united? The player who left us, or current version of Ronaldo?
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Given our inability to score goals, this current version, but probably a few years younger
 
Cal? said:
Given our inability to score goals, this current version, but probably a few years younger
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Yeah you have to think he'd elevate those around him too, probably an ego clash with him and zlatan... or the worlds greatest bromance :lol:
 
Rossa said:
But he wasn't always just a poacher. He's changed his game. He used to be a great dribbler and exciting to watch. Then he became that with goals. Then he moved on and scored more goals. Now he plays in a different position and still scores a lot of goals. Inzaghi could never do that.

Your entire post is just off
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Exactly. People act as if he's been a poacher his whole career. The dude was one of the best dribblers in the world for years, then adjusted his game to add more goals to his game and then took it even further and became one of the most deadly players scoring wise. The fact that he was able to adjust and adapt his game so much throughout his career speaks for his genius. My goat. A monster really.
 
Ronaldo's Mum Eh? said:
How so?

You're trying to say that because he only scores goals, he shouldn't be regarded as one of the best of all time. I'm telling you goals decide matches.
But not only that, Ronaldo racks up the one of the highest amount of assists in the CL as well. He can do it all.

He's not just a poacher.. far from it. Even then, I'd rather a poacher who scores 50+ goals a season and decides games more than a creative midfielder who influences games but doesn't actually decide games in the caliber of Ronnie.
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Because the guys point wasn't that goals don't count. He was saying in the context of being the best player there has to be a lot more to a player's game.

Now if you want to argue he's more than a poacher (he obviously was more than that) fair enough but that's a seprate point.

dannyrhinos89 said:
Yeah we were good at that point but My point on that was if you took Messi out of Barca and put him in out team I don't think he could perform like Ronaldo did for us. I know it's cliche saying but that cold night at away at stoke comment comes to mind. Ronaldo could perform in those games. Messi...I can't see it. It's all opinion though.
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It's a hypothetical criticism of Messi though and given his ability it's a long shot I'd say.

Ronaldo deserves shit loads of praise but I don't think we need to go overboard on him doing it for two different clubs. He's played for two very good teams.
 
Arbitrium said:
Interesting Ronaldo question, I'm not sure which i'd choose myself.

Who would you rather have back at united? The player who left us, or current version of Ronaldo?
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Easy. He scored 42 in 49 for you in 2008/09, then in his first season for us he had 33 in 35, and those weren't tap-ins, we were a one-man team that season

He's had one poor goalscoring season, 2008/09, were honestly his head was already half in madrid imho. As soon as he got a team with great playmakers allowing him to just concentrate on being a forward rather than needing him to pick up the ball in his own half and dribble half the opposing team his goalscoring numbers skyrocketed. If he'd stayed in manchester, he'd have scored just as much as he did for us at least until 2011
 
Dobbs said:
I think that argument would carry more weight had he done it at a lesser club. The reality is that he left one top team for another. There's no reason why he shouldn't have carried on scoring goals etc.
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You're right but I still consider a great achievement from him to have succeeded at the level he has in both Premier League (when it was more competitive in Europe) and now Spanish League (who are also currently dominating Europe). Then you have what he has accomplished with his nation which isn't exactly a 'lesser club' but it's a good football nation that doesn't figure among the favorites, so I think when considering how well he has performed with his country as well it puts more weight in the argument of having succeed in different environments and circumstances. That's really remarkable for a player that some people try to diminish as just a pure 'poacher' when in reality he has showed to be quite versatile.

As for current Ronaldo he still serves his good amount of assists, it's just that when his teammates fails and it doesn't go to the score people won't bring up he served a nice pass and would only try to remember only the chances he fails. Last game for example he could had an assist had Marcelo scored a good ball by him, and that goes without saying he is also the playr with top assists in UCL.
 
VanGaalEra said:
There really is a cult on posters on here that follow that the Cruyff way of playing football and act extremely arrogant towards all other forms of football and players.

They almost seem to act as if they're a level above everyone.
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"More than a club" you know..
 
Adisa said:
I doubt we'll ever see anything like him. Just the sheer desperation to improve himself is something I don't think I'll ever see again.
I remember seeing a video of him trying to do a trick. Chelsea fans were mocking him for failing. 99% of players would not have bothered trying to do it again for fear of looking even more stupid...not Ronaldo.
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Yep - I love that clip!

 
Raees said:
His skill level is so underrated.
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It is but it is his determination that is probably his most outstanding attribute.

I loved the Nike ad that finished with "Your love makes me strong. Your hate makes me unstoppable".

When he came back from the world cup and faced stadiums of opposition fans booing his every touch, it only drove him on. Such a contrast to some players, such as Rooney, who tended to struggle when in those environments - such as anytime we played at Everton.
 
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