Ander Herrera vs N'golo Kanté | Thread has gone well

diarm said:
I don't know if i was watching a different game but I thought Kante was exceptional in the first half?

He was good in the second but it was far easier for him considering we showed zero intention of keeping or playing with the ball.
Click to expand...
He was shite up to the sending off I thought
 
Kostur said:
So basically when we lose the ball and are in transition, Herrera is out of place because he's involved in attack and is on a back foot, whereas Kante is more restrained and is more likely to stop the counter?

Think this is what positioning is all about really and what won't be shown in statistics.
Click to expand...
Is it really? I would argue that is just being more defensive; by avoiding attacking, you are better able to defend.
 
RedChip said:
Is it really? I would argue that is just being more defensive; by avoiding attacking, you are better able to defend.
Click to expand...

Which is pretty much a thing you have to do when playing a double #6 and you know that your partner is more capable in attack than in defending.
 
Kostur said:
Which is pretty much a thing you have to do when playing a double #6 and you know that your partner is more capable in attack than in defending.
Click to expand...

Unless told to be bit more attacking by coach.
 
Since we're talking stats:

Man utd 15.5 interceptions per game
Chelsea 14.6 int per game

Man utd 18.2 tackles per game
Chelsea 16.9 tackles per game

As i said, when it comes to defenders and midfielders, stats only tell a small part of the whole story.
 
RedChip said:
Well Herrera is involved in more of the attack play than Kante, which would make a difference to #2 positioning.
Click to expand...

Being more involved in attack doesn't mean you are better in #2 positioning. What i meant was when we are having the possession on the ball, Herrera tends to pass the ball backward without moving around in a better position, as a result we are relying too much on our defenders to build up the attack. You will notice how Herrera involves more in our attack play when he plays a bit further upfield when a player like Carrick who likes to pass forward play deeper.

To put it simple how Kante is better than Herrera is that Kante dominates the game and midfield while Herrera doesn't.
 
Mike09 said:
Being more involved in attack doesn't mean you are better in #2 positioning. What i meant was when we are having the possession on the ball, Herrera tends to pass the ball backward without moving around in a better position, as a result we are relying too much on our defenders to build up the attack. You will notice how Herrera involves more in our attack play when he plays a bit further upfield when a player like Carrick who likes to pass forward play deeper.

To put it simple how Kante is better than Herrera is that Kante dominates the game and midfield while Herrera doesn't.
Click to expand...
But surely being more involved in attack does affect your ability to position defensively while your team is attacking?

How does Kante dominate midfield? Is this by running more? According to Squawker Herrera makes more passes in total; so you can't argue he controls the midfield more. Equally, you can't argue Kante helps Chelsea build more attacks from midfield than Herrera, who makes more forward passes than Kante.
 
both completly different roles in the teams for me, Kante main job is to track runners and win the ball in a deeper role, Herrera will usually be a lot higher up the park trying to close people down, would actually compliment each other very well in a midfield
 
There's actually not that big of a difference between the two of them, at least not from what I've seen. Kanté tackles more than Herrera. Herrera has more clearances and blocks shots more than Kanté. Ander crosses a lot compared to N'Golo since he rarely does it.

I'm wondering if Kanté would have the same "success" if he and Herrera switched teams. Would Chelsea suddenly not be close to winning the PL and would Manchester United be the PL-leaders, since some claim that it's thanks to Kanté Chelsea is this good and he's doing the job of 2-3 players (that's what people say)?
 
Skills said:
Oh what a laughable thread :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

One game doesn't change anything, in the same way it shouldn't have changed anything when Herrera got sent off and Kante scored.

Glad the jinx didn't hold up today mind. :lol:
 
Seems to have gone quiet how Kante was caught out TWICE for the second goal. Can't say anything bad against our N'golo can we?
 
ivaldo said:
Seems to have gone quiet how Kante was caught out TWICE for the second goal. Can't say anything bad against our N'golo can we?
Click to expand...

It's incredible how people come out in force immediately to shit on our own player. Quiet now though.

For the record he pissed on Kante the last game too until he was wrongly sent off.
 
Today was his day. We did well with the Kante problem by playing around him since we can't get past him
 
ivaldo said:
Seems to have gone quiet how Kante was caught out TWICE for the second goal. Can't say anything bad against our N'golo can we?
Click to expand...

I was wondering if those "United fans" would bump this thread, last time they couldn't wait to bump it.
 
Kante is overrated as feck. There's no doubt that Hazard should be winning player of the year.
 
Harry190 said:
Today was his day. We did well with the Kante problem by playing around him since we can't get past him
Click to expand...
Except when Young waltzed past him twice, Rashford and Pogba doing the same.
 
Harry190 said:
Today was his day. We did well with the Kante problem by playing around him since we can't get past him
Click to expand...

Even Fellaini won duels and possession in the middle against Kante. No need to rewrite what happened, Chelsea were schooled so was Kante.
 


Not saying just saying...
 
Bossed by a 'shit midfielder who couldn't get into the Spain team'.
 
He's been our best midfielder this season. Bossed the game today, as a right back. Excellent player.
 
Zoo said:
Kante is overrated as feck. There's no doubt that Hazard should be winning player of the year.
Click to expand...

Indeed. He's a good player of course, but the recent uproar re: Kante has become ridiculous.
 
I know stats dont tell the full story... we have all seen the stats showing Herrera has been as good as Kante this season. I think Anders better. Not only has been defensively briilaint in a team that has conceded less than Chelsea. Not to undermine Kante, but Ander played in a team that conceded less than the champions last year and may repeat it again. Yet, one is heralded as a god, the other never seems to receive any plaudits. Lets not also forget Ander is closing in on 10 assists this season.
 
Harry190 said:
Today was his day. We did well with the Kante problem by playing around him since we can't get past him
Click to expand...

Nah. I think the "Herrera is better than Kante" argument is silly but today Herrera bossed the game while Kante (along with Chelsea in general) played poorly. We didn't play around Kante, we outplayed him.
 
Kante > Herrera this season.

But today Herrera > Kante. Mainly because the tactical genius from Mourinho who set Herrera to man mark and watching Hazard.
 
Kante was their best player. Not saying much but people on here have a propensity to jump on his back as soon as he makes a mistake. Chelsea lost because their team collective was shambolic and Utd's were superb.
 
Always knew Herrera was better. :smirk:
 
I didn't go through the trouble of finding this thread, I knew I had to just refresh the main page a few times.

Herrera was a complete midfielder today. Goal and an assist to go with his defensive work against Hazard.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.