Everton and they were still permitted to the qualifying round as 4th place. It was UEFA bending over to Liverpool's bitching that saw a fifth side enter.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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Everton and they were still permitted to the qualifying round as 4th place. It was UEFA bending over to Liverpool's bitching that saw a fifth side enter.
Winning those three games is an incredible ask.
If anyone can, Jose can.
That's why it's imperative we beat City now as the EL tie is sandwiched in between Arsenal and Spurs. Hopefully the other results go our way up to them giving us some leeway.
Odd thing to say, but I think we can afford to draw at City and Spurs as long as we win the rest - I believe that would sneak us into 4th.
Sh*t just got interesting.
Then we'd be putting our fate back in the hands of either Liverpool or City.
We'd need to beat City. Even then, look at the respective run-ins:
Thanks ... Will pin that up on my wall!
Thursday/Sunday til season end so a chance to build some rhythm and momentum in the coaching calendar.
Fosu-Mensah and Tuanzebe need to be trusted at some point, else Bailly will also get injured soon.
Feels like 1999, albeit a much inferior quality experience. Still, massive progress given where we have recently been
Indeed, but I don't think either side will take maximum points from the run-in, just like we won't. There's at least another draw each in there.
If we did go W4 D2 that's 77 Points. I can't imagine 77 Points being 5th Place.. but we shall see how it goes!
Possibly. Twists and turns to come
My guess is we'll draw against City, beat Swansea, win/draw against Arsenal, lose to Spurs, then 4 points from the last 2. So 9 or 11 points in the last 6 games, putting us on 72-74 points.
Liverpool, feck knows how they'll do. 4 games where with them it could be easy one game and a loss the next. My guess is 7-10 points, putting them on 73-76 points.
City will probably win the home games (draw with United though), then a draw or loss in one of the away games. My guess is 12-14 points from their last 6, so on 76-78 points.
We're up against it still, but a win on thursday would make me a lot more confident.
Liverpool, feck knows how they'll do. 4 games where with them it could be easy one game and a loss the next. My guess is 7-10 points, putting them on 73-76 points.
City will probably win the home games (draw with United though), then a draw or loss in one of the away games. My guess is 12-14 points from their last 6, so on 76-78 points.
We're up against it still, but a win on thursday would make me a lot more confident.
We're the best away side in the league in terms of points per game.
Chelsea and City have picked up more points on the road but have played two more away games.
Bodes well for upcoming fixtures.
But just to balance that out - the commentator mentioned that Burnley have taken more points at home than we have. Brutal stat.
Chelsea and City have picked up more points on the road but have played two more away games.
Bodes well for upcoming fixtures.
But just to balance that out - the commentator mentioned that Burnley have taken more points at home than we have. Brutal stat.
Burnley have a better home record than City too
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I spent 5 minutes on this sentence to understand, just couldn't ... please elaborate.
Think he means Palace need to go to Spurs, City and Chelsea; in which games they may steal points away from our competitors, like today.
Yeah sure.
So Crystal Palace looking at their last ten games, Chelsea away, Arsenal home, Liverpool away. One them 3, did us (Utd) a favour. They now have spurs, city and us (Utd) away in their last few games.
Quite a tough run. Hopefully they can help us (Utd) out by getting results against spurs and city and then be on the beach when they play us.
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Essentially, yes.
Terrible finish Alcacer
To beat Stoke and West Brom away and lose at home to Palace is bonkers behaviour.
I just really really want us to finish top 4 AND win Europa League so we take a champions league spot we don't need!
It would be fun for a bit, but truth is you want as many PL teams to qualify as possible: 1) coefficients, 2) keeping them also busy with groups, Chelsea wouldn't be so out of reach with two games a week and imagine how much farther Liverpool would be with all the extra injuries and tiredness that comes with playing more than 2-3 times a month.
Hardly the former two are on holiday and will coast the rest of the season, Palace on the other are trying to ensure safety. Though that is the Liverpool way...
In the 18/19 season the big 4 leagues have automatic entry for their top 4 places, coefficients will mean nothing after next season other than group stage pot placement.
I think Liverpool will need to drop points in 2 of their last 4 for us to sneak it.
We'd need to beat City. Even then, look at the respective run-ins:
One game at a time, we need to beat City, and then, with 2 days rest, beat Swansea.
But most importantly, if we then beat Celta Vigo away, we will give ourselves a really good platform to get possibly 3rd and also get to the EL final.
If we beat City I'll believe (for the first time all season) we can finish top 4.
Also noticed our goal difference is only two behind Liverpool now, with two games in hand. Hopefully could bring that beyond theirs in the event we end level on points.
Mental how good our GD actually is (well compared with our nearest rivals) given how few goals we score, just highlights how poor all their defences are
Being Liverpool
We're a bonkers team. Wouldn't be surprised if we finished 6th and lost 3 of our next 4 games - wouldn't be surprised if we went and won them all either.
And how good yours has been. The number of league goals you've conceded since losing 4-0 at Chelsea is very impressive.
I reckon that's right. If Liverpool win all 4 they will finish in the top 4, dropped points in 1 will be touch and go for us all.
I reckon Arsenal will struggle to score more than 10-12 more points from here on in. Liverpool will finish on 76 and ourselves and City will finish on 77.
Not sure who'll finish 3rd on GD but I'm quite confident of top 4 now.
Edit: This is based on the fact I think we'll win our next 3 games and can afford to drop 2 or 3 points against Spurs.
Not sure who'll finish 3rd on GD but I'm quite confident of top 4 now.
Edit: This is based on the fact I think we'll win our next 3 games and can afford to drop 2 or 3 points against Spurs.
If we beat City and Swansea, we could finish next weekend's fixtures in 3rd.
If we win both of those games would we be relying on results elsewhere to be 3rd?
Depends on who has better goal difference between United and Liverpool if they beat Watford (would both be on 69 points)
I think we would have a game in hand though
Liverpool would need to draw Watford or else we would need to catch them on goal differential by then (we're two behind so let's say we beat City 1-0 and Swansea 3-0, and Liverpool beat Watford 3-2), we'd be in third with a game in hand even if they win.
Arsenal will make the top at the expense of Liverpool. This is where Wenger shines.
I hope we are able to pip City. Both City and Liverpool out of the top 4 will make this an even better season.
I hope we are able to pip City. Both City and Liverpool out of the top 4 will make this an even better season.
There is no way Arsenal are making the top 4. They wont beat us. They are too far behind.
I really wasn't even thinking about the title, but that fact that we might miss out on my expectation after having been within touching distance of Chelsea says a lot about how badly we've managed this.