If we win the Europa league

I do not understand the notion of EL being "mickey mouse trophy". Specially when we are sweating about getting in to the competition's final. It gives us no right to say nonsense like "we belong to CL" and "we're to big for EL". No we don't and no we're not if we can't win inferior competition.

On topic - IF we get to the final and IF we win it - I'll be fairly satisfied. Charity Shield, EFL cup and EL trophy is a nice trio to have in the locker by the end of the season. I could see no reason why Jose shouldn't stay on the job (who would replace him anyway). But there must be changes in the summer if we're to challenge next season.
 
rocks13 said:
So you think that winning the Champions League is no more prestigious than winning the Europa League and is only really seen as a way to qualify for next season's competition?
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No. The Champions League is the pinnacle of a club's football season. What I'm saying is winning the Europa League definitely means more than just qualifying for the Champions League.
 
maba723 said:
No. The Champions League is the pinnacle of a club's football season. What I'm saying is winning the Europa League definitely means more than just qualifying for the Champions League.
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Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, but we're basically winning a competition that we never wanted to be in and that any big club is embarrassed to be involved in. We've mocked the fans of other clubs for years about it.
 
rocks13 said:
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, but we're basically winning a competition that we never wanted to be in and that any big club is embarrassed to be involved in. We've mocked the fans of other clubs for years about it.
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thats true in fairness

Anyone who remembers liverpool being in the final last season

Then it was the mickey mouse cup to most on here
 
ants7 said:
I do not understand the notion of EL being "mickey mouse trophy". Specially when we are sweating about getting in to the competition's final. It gives us no right to say nonsense like "we belong to CL" and "we're to big for EL". No we don't and no we're not if we can't win inferior competition.

On topic - IF we get to the final and IF we win it - I'll be fairly satisfied. Charity Shield, EFL cup and EL trophy is a nice trio to have in the locker by the end of the season. I could see no reason why Jose shouldn't stay on the job (who would replace him anyway). But there must be changes in the summer if we're to challenge next season.
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The Europa is hardly the most prestigious trophy to win, but it does grant us a CL place for next season and everything that comes with that, such as significantly increasing our pull value to the likes of Griezeman, Silva, Mbappe and the like, who may consider other options should we fail to qualify.

Plus the fact that we've never won it before, that'll be a nice bonus. 3 trophies, as you pointed out, should be considered a reasonably successful season, regardless of the "mickey mouse-ness" (tm) associated with those particular trophies.
 
Randall Flagg said:
thats true in fairness

Anyone who remembers liverpool being in the final last season

Then it was the mickey mouse cup to most on here
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They did exactly the same to us this season. Arsenal fans were mocking us for playing it and now watch their attitude next season with Arsenal playing in it !

These things happen.
 
Random Task said:
The Europa is hardly the most prestigious trophy to win, but it does grant us a CL place for next season and everything that comes with that, such as significantly increasing our pull value to the likes of Griezeman, Silva, Mbappe and the like, who may consider other options should we fail to qualify.

Plus the fact that we've never won it before, that'll be a nice bonus. 3 trophies, as you pointed out, should be considered a reasonably successful season, regardless of the "mickey mouse-ness" (tm) associated with those particular trophies.
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Three trophies is better than zilch. Would also give us a Supercup tie against, presumably Real/Juve to look forward to.
 
Red Dreams said:
glad some on here are giving Ajax the respect they deserve.

I was happy Liverpool lost the final last season, because this is a significant trophy.
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It could have been a springboard. It could now be a springboard for us. Yes Liverpool might get Top 4, but they still haven't won anything under Klopp.
 
el3mel said:
They did exactly the same to us this season. Arsenal fans were mocking us for playing it and now watch their attitude next season with Arsenal playing in it !

These things happen.
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Oh I am sure they have done

Would like to point out that I still look at it as something I would love us to win now that we are in it
 
Randall Flagg said:
Oh I am sure they have done

Would like to point out that I still look at it as something I would love us to win now that we are in it
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I think with the current era of EPL, you can't simply mock a club for playing in Europe League for a season anymore as there are 6 teams 2 of them will miss CL, there's always a possibility of you being on these 2 clubs next season so you should be careful !
 
el3mel said:
I think with the current era of EPL, you can't simply mock a club for playing in Europe League for a season anymore as there are 6 teams 2 of them will miss CL, there's always a possibility of you being on these 2 clubs next season so you should be careful !
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Good point.
 
rocks13 said:
Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion, but we're basically winning a competition that we never wanted to be in and that any big club is embarrassed to be involved in. We've mocked the fans of other clubs for years about it.
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I personally didn't but fans look for any angle to take the piss out of rivals and say shit whether they believe it or not. That was then we were too good to play in the competition, now we're not good enough for the champions league and this is United's current level.

If we're in it we might as well try to win it, and if we do win it we might as well enjoy it. I can't imagine watching United contesting a final and possibly winning a major trophy and acting indifferent and not being happy about it.
 
Polite Poster said:
Just for context

The Europa League is the trophy none of Europe's big clubs want or expect to win.
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If you're not in the CL you obviously really want to win it. Seems you don't apply context yourself. Obviously everyone would prefer challenging for the CL but the Europa league definitely more important that stuff like the Carling cup etc. It's a meaingful trophy that is valued by the victor.
 
Winning the Europa League would be the only thing that saves this season from being a disaster.

As much as I don't blame Jose for our forwards being unable to finish a happy meal, the fact is Man Utd has been a massive let down this season. Dress up the League Cup however you want to. We have bottled it massively any time we might catch up with teams above us (and basically any time we have 1v1 in games!)

Winning a credible competition will make the season respectable. Yet, if we lose to either Celta or Ajax it will have been a woeful, woeful year.
 
stevoc said:
I personally didn't but fans look for any angle to take the piss out of rivals and say shit whether they believe it or not. That was then we were too good to play in the competition, now we're not good enough for the champions league and this is United's current level.

If we're in it we might as well try to win it, and if we do win it we might as well enjoy it. I can't imagine watching United contesting a final and possibly winning a major trophy and acting indifferent and not being happy about it.
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Again, fair enough that you feel that way. But I know like a lot of fans I was completely indifferent to this competition in the group stages so it kind of feels like bandwagon jumping to start making a big fuss about it now that we're close to the final.

It's always nice to win a trophy but given the level of opposition we've faced it's hard to see it as any sort of tangible progress other than qualifying for the Champion's League next season.
 
rocks13 said:
Again, fair enough that you feel that way. But I know like a lot of fans I was completely indifferent to this competition in the group stages so it kind of feels like bandwagon jumping to start making a big fuss about it now that we're close to the final.
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Well i would have preferred us to be in the CL also, but before the season started i knew we were in this cup. So i just accepted it and hoped we did well in it. If you can't get that excited about it fair enough mate, but i personally don't get being indifferent to the prospect of your Team possibly winning a European trophy. I've seen us win the Champions League twice was a bit too young to appreciate the Cup Winners Cup in 91. So i would be delighted to see United win this competition, even for a club like United winning a european trophy is a rare enough event.

rocks13 said:
It's always nice to win a trophy but given the level of opposition we've faced it's hard to see it as any sort of tangible progress other than qualifying for the Champion's League next season.
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We've not exactly shown ourselves to be a level above many if any of the teams we've faced in the competition to be fair.
 
slir32 said:
Our starting 11 is decent but is still missing a couple players to make it work. Add a player who can break down defenses and someone who can finish 2 chances out of 5 and we are in business. The rest of the squad though is very average.
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What exactly do you mean by a player that can break down defences? Isn't that what Pogba was signed for? Mkhitaryan? Isn't Zlatan a great striker? Don't you have Rashford and Martial who are adept enough? Then someone like Mhitaryan who had the most assists in Europe last season, along with a goal scoring AM in Mata?

Also, Depay was an option to work with. You have had more than enough fire power up front to do a decent job of the season IMO. They're all top forwards. Shaw and Valencia are a good full back pairing. Bailly is a top defender. DDG is a world class goalkeeper. The first 11 is strong. You have to be kidding if you look at United's squad right now and think that the league table position reflects the quality of it. I can't accept that tbh.

rocks13 said:
Since it became important for the Mourinho fans to run down our squad to prove what a great job Jose is doing.
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I don't understand why so many are eager to defend Jose's season like this. Sure, he should get another season, but that doesn't mean he's excluded from criticism this season. Jose has a decent enough squad to have challenged impressively this season. It just sounds eerily similar to some Chelsea fans who wanted the likes of Fabregas and Hazard gone because they didn't perform well last year, but the quality is clearly there, as we've seen this season.
 
Zlatan was a giant for much of the season, and many of the other players are good to great
Wouldn't say the team is that unremarkable
 
If we get through we will need to improve a lot to beat Ajax. Celta are 12th in Spain. Ajax could easily be champs in Holland this season.
 
The Skipper said:
What exactly do you mean by a player that can break down defences? Isn't that what Pogba was signed for? Mkhitaryan? Isn't Zlatan a great striker? Don't you have Rashford and Martial who are adept enough? Then someone like Mhitaryan who had the most assists in Europe last season, along with a goal scoring AM in Mata?.
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Jose should've challenged this season for sure, the 4 horrific autumn draws with some of the worst finishing in history just gave us too much to do sadly. Not quite sure Jose can be blamed for that awful finishing though, I know I've never seen a bunch of games like those in all my time watching United.

And I've personally said for 3 seasons now that we just don't have enough on the wings. We're very very average there.

Add one special winger to the first 10 in this squad and I fully believe this season is a different story.
 
KN5 said:
Mate instead of dwelling on who we've faced why not enjoy where we're headed instead? Like everyone brings up how we've had easy opponents, who cares? Not me that's for sure, Spurs had an easy team too no? They failed to beat them, we actually beat our 'easy teams'. League positions are deceptive, Liverpool are ahead of us but we know we're a class above them so there's an example straight away. Could argue Everton are better than the woeful Arsenal too right now.

Just enjoy the ride, let the haters do their thing, we can only beat what's infront of us and we have done, something the 'second best team' in England failed to do. Negative Nancy's, everywhere.
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I am not negative - I am in fact extremely positive. I am celebrating our luck....and let's be honest....we have been lucky!
 


Thats not too bad. Maybe we should just stick to Europa League each season? How much does a club make from going to CL quarters and semis etc? Joke about Europa League!
 
lysglimt said:
I am not negative - I am in fact extremely positive. I am celebrating our luck....and let's be honest....we have been lucky!
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Did you see Chelsea road to the 2013 competition ?

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el3mel said:
Did you see Chelsea road to the 2013 competition ?

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I'm sure like most Utd fans I had as little interest in Chelsea winning it then as fans of other clubs have in us winning it now. It does certainly reiterate what a second rate competition the Europa League is though.
 
i really don't get how a UEFA hosted competition, could mean nothing to some. Yes, it's not the pinnacle, yet it's an European trophy. And makes it even more mandatory to win it, simply because it's the 2nd tier cup. At the start of the season I wanted us to win it and I am demanding that we should win it. It's LVG's fault we are competing here - it's our duty to prove the world we are a solid team and winning it is our prove. You can't laugh at other teams for competing at the so called mickey mouse trophy and when we are in it not winning it, because you see "we don't care about such lesser competitions".
European grands take seriously whatever they have at their table and at the moment that's what we have. Top 4 looks gone, but we are a draw and a win away from a European cup we've never won. The squad might not be perfect, but is promising, there's a lot of talent and our defense, unlike our attack, seems running pretty well. So no excuses.
 
rocks13 said:
I'm sure like most Utd fans I had as little interest in Chelsea winning it then as fans of other clubs have in us winning it now. It does certainly reiterate what a second rate competition the Europa League is though.
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I have no interest either, but they were even more luckier than us in their road. The point here is no one really remember their road anymore. The only thing remembered is they won the 2013 trophy. That's what everyone will remember regarding us too when we hopefully win it.
 
el3mel said:
I have no interest either, but they were even more luckier than us in their road. The point here is no one really remember their road anymore. The only thing remembered is they won the 2013 trophy. That's what everyone will remember regarding us too when we hopefully win it.
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Also probably worth noting that Chelsea didn't see the Europa League as enough of a success for their manager to keep his job.
 
rocks13 said:
Also probably worth noting that Chelsea didn't see the Europa League as enough of a success for their manager to keep his job.
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Well Chelsea didn't reckon winning the Premier League or Champions League was reason enough not to sack the manager within 6 months, so I don't really think they're any sort of benchmark to aspire to.
 
rocks13 said:
Also probably worth noting that Chelsea didn't see the Europa League as enough of a success for their manager to keep his job.
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Not true. I think you don't know much about Chelsea then. Beneitz was not the permanent manager, he took charge for the team till the end of the season after Di Matteo got sacked. Interim manager that's what he was, just as Hiddink last season after Jose got sacked.

Not to mention he was extremely hated by Chelsea fans anyway.

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shaky said:
Well Chelsea didn't reckon winning the Premier League or Champions League was reason enough not to sack the manager within 6 months, so I don't really think they're any sort of benchmark to aspire to.
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I'd say that the 2 titles Chelsea have won in the last 3 years is a reasonable benchmark to aspire to.
 
el3mel said:
Not true. I think you don't know much about Chelsea then. Beneitz was not the permanent manager, he took charge for the team till the end of the season after Di Matteo got sacked. Interim manager that's what he was, just as Hiddink last season after Jose got sacked.

Not to mention he was extremely hated by Chelsea fans anyway.
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Yes, Di Matteo was also an interim manager who kept his job after winning the Champions League.
 
rocks13 said:
Yes, Di Matteo was also an interim manager who kept his job after winning the Champions League.
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Well the second part of the post replies on this. Beneitz was extremely hated by Chelsea fans due to his history with Liverpool that Roman can't let him continue in the job against the fans will. Also at this time Jose was being available. What on Earth will make Roman let such a hated manager continue in his job while the most loved manager by Chelsea fans is available ? No reason.
 
el3mel said:
Well the second part of the post replies on this. Beneitz was extremely hated by Chelsea fans due to his history with Liverpool that Roman can't let him continue in the job against the fans will. Also at this time Jose was being available. What on Earth will make Roman let such a hated manager continue in his job while the most loved manager by Chelsea fans is available ? No reason.
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Certainly not winning a second rate European trophy anyway.
 
Won't winning it make us undisputably England's most successful club too? Also 3 trophies in 12 months. Don't knock that, Liverpool have won one trophy in 11 seasons. Spurs have won one too in the same time.
 
People who call this a Mickey Mouse Cup should look at the recent past and realize a European Cup win is quite a big deal and a step in the right path.

And it's also a chance for another Cup, UEFA Super Cup next season vs probably Real Madrid/Juventus. And those should be the kind of games United supporters should aspire to be watching once again every year.
 
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