General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Tis good. How are you finding work and wages at the moment? Is everything on the move upwards?


That's.. interesting. Reverse image search says it comes from this http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/distributional-analysis

Looks like, for those not on benefits, it's a little gain from the tax cuts and increases... makes sense

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The unfairness of things seriously, seriously depresses me. I NEED the joy I get at work - and the sertraline. Was close to clocking off for good at times when I was street homeless and realised I couldn't get my possessions back from my landlord after he illegally evicted me and took all my stuff, leaving me with the clothes I arrived home from work, with the main police station being closed due to underfunding and the fact that it was considered a civil matter and that legal aid had been removed. I had some quality stuff by the way, along with a lot of sentimentally valuable things from both deceased parents and from my kids when they were little. I struggle to type now, tbh, when I think about it. Yeah... today was good. *sips his stella in the beer garden*
 
Angela Raynor making the Labour party look like they are making it up as they go along this time.



The policies are costed so I don't think they are making it up on the fly so much as suffering from the occasional brain fart.

The Tories don't seem to be getting questioned to the same standard either.
 
I defintely don't mean anything I said as a personal dig at you. You make a very good point, as did Cheesy - young people don't get good advice. Nobody from my family had ever been to uni when I went. I was encouraged to be a Doctor by my parents (as all asian parents do) but i was never smart enough to do that. I ended up picking computer science because GCSE IT was easy and I had a couple of mates who chose the same degree. i landed on my feet out of sheer dumb luck.

Universities could do a better job of making more rounded degrees too. You're right with the idea of a foundation year where you learn some finance and some computing, a bit of business studies. That'd be really useful to someone studying an arts degree when they want to hit the job market. Or maybe they could limit the seats on art subjects and divert resources into STEM subjects? Unfortunately uni's are all about self preservation. Why would you get rid of your unionised arts lecturers to them go out hunting for expensive physics lecturers causing all this upheaval and unrest when students will pay 9K a year either way?
no offence taken at all.

Thats the problem isn't it, its a business, its about getting people through the doors, it isn't about providing an education that sets graduates up for for their life post education, it isn't about providing the country with the skilled workers it needs, its about getting 9k a week of as many students as possible.

Whats worse is that these problems arn't even on the agenda, people are so obsessed with fee's, (that don't really effect peoples lives) that they are ignoring the fact our higher education system is a mess.
 
Tis good. How are you finding work and wages at the moment? Is everything on the move upwards?


That's.. interesting. Reverse image search says it comes from this http://election2015.ifs.org.uk/distributional-analysis

Looks like, for those not on benefits, it's a little gain from the tax cuts and increases... makes sense

distribution_fig1.jpg
That's what I said initially though - the "taking out of tax" was more than offset by cuts in tax credits and other things like child benefit. I like the idea of the raising of the threshold but in terms of outcomes, at least over the coalition parliament, it wasn't good for those lower down. Though that chart does also show that the richest did pay a lot which is to be lauded.

On this new thing of removing tuition fees - just saw on the Guardian that it could cost £10bn, and surely there are better ways of spending that. The analysis of the Labour policy at the last election (reduce to 6k) showed it disproportionately benefited kids from higher up the income scale.
 
Morally easy to justify. Harder to explain is the diplomatic impact, the loss of income and the loss of jobs from BAE systems in Lancashire. If Labour can answer those well I'd cautiously be behind the policy, but I'm not convinced there will be any answer, never mind a good one.
We don't want to kill people in Yemen is pretty good answer to those questions.
 
I am totally disbelieving that Labour can deliver this land of milk and honey in the face of Brexit.
They won't win. Guess they're thinking they may as well propose stuff to reduce the gap.

Just watched Theresa May on the One Show. She just came across as boring, conservative and slightly awkward. Nothing of note was said or even asked, so I suppose not negatives there for her.
 
That's what I said initially though - the "taking out of tax" was more than offset by cuts in tax credits and other things like child benefit. I like the idea of the raising of the threshold but in terms of outcomes, at least over the coalition parliament, it wasn't good for those lower down. Though that chart does also show that the richest did pay a lot which is to be lauded.

On this new thing of removing tuition fees - just saw on the Guardian that it could cost £10bn, and surely there are better ways of spending that. The analysis of the Labour policy at the last election (reduce to 6k) showed it disproportionately benefited kids from higher up the income scale.
I'm actually quite confused by the scale. Where is the boost to the 1%'s following the reduction of the 50p tax rate? Is that really included in that far right bar?
 
What are the chances of Labour going up in the polls between now and polling day? Surely a 5-7% increase between now and election day can swing the election? Provided Jezza Corbyn campaigns well?
His campaigning will probably increase the troy majority.
 
You're not suggesting that would stop if we stopped selling Saudi arms are you?

It won't stop, but distancing ourselves from a reprehensible regime who are the antithesis of most of what our modern society believes would be fairly commendable.
 
I'm actually quite confused by the scale. Where is the boost to the 1%'s following the reduction of the 50p tax rate? Is that really included in that far right bar?
According to the site:
Unlike the other income decile groups, the richest tenth of households see an increase in direct taxes, mainly as a result of higher NICs rates, restrictions on tax relief on pension contributions, real cuts in the point at which the higher 40p rate of income tax starts to be applied. These more than offset the impact of the reduction in the additional rate of income tax from 50% to 45%, which gives a large benefit to a relatively small number of very high income individuals.

Also came across the IFS analysis of Labour's time in power:
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Bloody red Tories.
 
Morally easy to justify. Harder to explain is the diplomatic impact, the loss of income and the loss of jobs from BAE systems in Lancashire. If Labour can answer those well I'd cautiously be behind the policy, but I'm not convinced there will be any answer, never mind a good one.

You need a financial argument not to support such a regime?

Seems a double standard for arms sales and interventionism
 
You need a financial argument not to support such a regime?

Seems a double standard for arms sales and interventionism
If it was up to me I'd stop any deals with them immediately, but the financial/jobs argument is used by the unions. As with the nuclear debate, the unions don't always chime with Corbyn's politics.
 
I am totally disbelieving that Labour can deliver this land of milk and honey in the face of Brexit.
i think thats one of the biggest problems with Corbyn(other then most people hate him because he is two left wing) is that he's promesing the earth.
£10 an hour minimum wage, while eradicating zero hour contracts and delivering full employment, in the face of all the problems Breixt will bring and ever increasing Automation. Save the NHS, Remove Tuition fees, He's gonna build 200,000 house a year while protecting the environment.....

People keep saying its costed, but reading it it does feel a bit too good to be true and i'm a Corbyn supporter!
 
i think thats one of the biggest problems with Corbyn(other then most people hate him because he is two left wing) is that he's promesing the earth.
£10 an hour minimum wage, while eradicating zero hour contracts and delivering full employment, in the face of all the problems Breixt will bring and ever increasing Automation. Save the NHS, Remove Tuition fees, He's gonna build 200,000 house a year while protecting the environment.....

People keep saying its costed, but reading it it does feel a bit too good to be true and i'm a Corbyn supporter!

Don't forget abolishing tuition fees, walking away from trade with Saudi Arabia and making the country less attractive to big business to invest in.

It all sounds completely fanciful considering the huge economic challenges we face in the near future. It would even sound fanciful in the light of recent economic circumstances without the prospect of Brexit.
 
Don't forget abolishing tuition fees, walking away from trade with Saudi Arabia and making the country less attractive to big business to invest in.

It all sounds completely fanciful considering the huge economic challenges we face in the near future. It would even sound fanciful in the light of recent economic circumstances without the prospect of Brexit.
the worse part about that is I agree, I like Corbyn and i will be voting for him, but at times he does come across as naive.
 
The policies are costed so I don't think they are making it up on the fly so much as suffering from the occasional brain fart.

The Tories don't seem to be getting questioned to the same standard either.

Well they won't be by a Tory Cnut like Ferrari. LBC also employ Hartley-Brewer & Hopkins I believe.

''It was suggested in June 2006 by Conservative leader David Cameron that, if he joined the Conservative Party and put himself forward, Ferrari could win the ballot to be the party's candidate for Mayor of London''
 
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In 2015, Ferrari was investigated by Ofcom after he said on his radio programme that the November 2015 Paris attacks were "a Muslim problem" and told a Muslim caller to "go some place else" if the caller didn't agree with UK foreign policy. Ofcom found Ferrari not in breach of any broadcasting rules, saying "We found the caller was given an opportunity to rebuke Mr Ferrari’s offensive comments, while two other callers also challenged Nick Ferrari in strong terms. In addition, the presenter made clear that he was not characterising all Muslims as violent extremists"
 
Well they won't by a Tory Cnut like Ferrari. LBC also employ Hartley-Brewer & Hopkins I believe.

''It was suggested in June 2006 by Conservative leader David Cameron that, if he joined the Conservative Party and put himself forward, Ferrari could win the ballot to be the party's candidate for Mayor of London''

He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.
 
Not all Tories are cnuts btw, obviously. There are some decent folks over on that side of the divide - they are genuinely quite a 'broad church' - possibly more tolerant of the proper RW nutters than they ought to be though. Not helped by being in thrall to the neo-Liberal economics of heartfelt belief in the free market of course, the bellends.

I also think their message is easier to transmit to the non-interested or to the selfish, self-interested and / or plain old fashioned stupid.

(he posts in an ideologically superior Lefty way) <--- a previous point I had some agreement with, actually.
 
He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.

Yup, I do think Corbyn gets a much harsher time from the media than his Tory counterparts but that doesn't excuse basic incompetence when heading into interviews.
 
You are right... For some reason I used the 2008 figures.

I think it's wrong to only look those earning less than £6k though. Are we really saying that a family of four with only a dad working, who earns, £12k aren't poor?

I'm not defending Tory welfare cuts, just saying, it's not an out right attack on "the poor", but more Tories = tax and welfare cuts.

Where did I say they aren't poor. Just that the increase isn't helping a lot of those it's intended to help.

Yes the Tories are about tax cuts, and what they can't cut they privatise, because the people who own these newly privatised services are Tories
 
He very well may be a Tory but that the shadow education secretary went on his show without doing her basic homework after the Abbott debacle is really really shoddy and indicative of woeful incompetence from her team and Labour.

I saw her earlier on BBC Breakfast actually & thought that her & Abbot wouldn't be winning many hearts & minds in enemy territory, tbh.

I also thought she was quite a well-meaning good egg for want of a better way of describing it, whereas Abbot just seems to be in complete lunatic mode most of the time, just recently. I don't think DA has moved with the times all that much, so outside her comfort-zone / 'home constituency' in a general sense, is quite prone to flapping around cluelessly.
 
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Not all Tories are cnuts btw, obviously. There are some decent folks over on that side of the divide - they are genuinely quite a 'broad church' - possibly more tolerant of the proper RW nutters than they ought to be though. Not helped by being in thrall to the neo-Liberal economics of heartfelt belief in the free market of course, the bellends.

I also think their message is easier to transmit to the non-interested or to the selfish, self-interested and / or plain old fashioned stupid.

(he posts in an ideologically superior Lefty way) <--- a previous point I had some agreement with, actually.
They do some bloody good impressions then.

The Torygraph are fuming at what seems to be at least part of the Labour manifesto. Lovely stuff.