Ubik
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Look forward to hearing about his time captaining the starship Enterprise.The Nuttall one should be good.
Look forward to hearing about his time captaining the starship Enterprise.The Nuttall one should be good.
Strong and Stable campaigns shouldn't need to lie to get themselves out of the shit
Has any party ever overcome such a big gap in polls in such a short space of time to then go on and win? Unfortunately I think it's still impossible, but Labour may well end up doing a lot better than anyone would have predicted. Now that May and the Tories are actually having to engage with the election they're looking pretty clueless.
I stuck a tenner on no overall majority at 8/1 today.http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08rz03p/the-andrew-neil-interviews-election-2017-theresa-may
For the first time I am thinking the Tories could lose it
Has any party ever overcome such a big gap in polls in such a short space of time to then go on and win? Unfortunately I think it's still impossible, but Labour may well end up doing a lot better than anyone would have predicted. Now that May and the Tories are actually having to engage with the election they're looking pretty clueless.
I'm really starting to believe that they've recognised that there is no coming out of the Brexit negotiations with any sort of credibility and they're looking to put the responsibility on Labours shoulders so they can blame Labour for the inevitable shit storm and steal back in 5 years when the deed is done and they will be promising the world once more.
This would require Theresa May to put her party before her own personal career. Which is pretty far fetched, the simpler and probably real explanation is that she's just shit. And the people are around her are also shit.I'm really starting to believe that they've recognised that there is no coming out of the Brexit negotiations with any sort of credibility and they're looking to put the responsibility on Labours shoulders so they can blame Labour for the inevitable shit storm and steal back in 5 years when the deed is done and they will be promising the world once more.
That was a swing from the previous election, I think Ibi meant overcome a poll deficit from a month or two out - in this case 20 points (Labour in 45 were ahead in polls for a couple of years). The answer to which is basically no.Largest currently happened in 1945, a 12% swing to labour when Attlee won. This would surpass it.
It's strange isn't it. She is seen as the safe pair of hands ffs. So few politicians of any real substance. Give me Ken Clarke any day over her.Still expect the Tories to win. But for this just shows how dreadful May is.
Ok, now we're fast approaching the parody event horizon. So he's the one who would be 'irresponsibly isolationist', not the government who just fully embraced UKIP nationalism and the hardest version of Brexit. Because of course nothing says internationalist like kicking out foreigners and telling people that if they think they are citizens of the world then they're 'citizens of nowhere'.
Surely you'd like him even more if he promised to just leave the lot of them homeless and starving, like your heroes in the modern Conservative party?
With regards to the Falklands I think your being just maybe a tad over dramatic.
And as for an isolationist Britain, the last decade has shown that Britain has only caused absolute misery across the world, the Iraq War, Afghanistan, the bombing and destruction of Libya in 2011 and now currently supplying the Saudi dictatorship with bombs to kill civilians in Yemen(Most of this done under the falsehood of anti terrorism and ''democracy''). A isolationist Britian would be far better for the world.
So if it boils down to judgment(And I think there's some valid criticism of Corbyn judgement on foreign policy in the 90's)then last decade surely proves Corbyn has had the better judgment, well at the very least better then the person he is running against.
In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.If she wins, but barely extends the party majority at all, then she'll look rather silly for calling an election at all; it'll have been a good month or so of the period during which Article 50 has been triggered having been dedicated to a campaign that didn't change all that much at all.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08rz03p/the-andrew-neil-interviews-election-2017-theresa-may
For the first time I am thinking the Tories could lose it
Her goose would be cooked if she only gained that many, it'll have been an emperor's new clothes moment.In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.
In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.
Losing to Jeremy Corbyn is like losing the PL to Liverpool. It's unthinkable. But if she does do it, it'll be hilarious (the complete opposite of the scousers winning the league).
To be fair, it would marry well with the narrative in British politics since Brexit. An unnecessary referendum that went against their intention followed by an unnecessary GE that went against their intention. A full circle of idiocy.
Subsamples in polls have shown the gap closed to both being at around 20%, but those are tiny samples so big margin of error.I'm interested to see how the small Tory to Labour swing affects voting in Scotland - presuming Labour appear stronger again, we may see more unionist voters sticking with Labour, which I'd argue benefits the SNP overall.
I'd rejoice but who knows which Tory then assumes the throne. And I'm not convinced it won't be a landslide Tory win anyway.Her goose would be cooked if she only gained that many, it'll have been an emperor's new clothes moment.
If the result is a minor Tory gain, I wonder if Corbyn goes at all. He should irregardless, but he'll see that as a victory.Aye, her party will quite clearly see that she's not very good at all if she can barely etch out a majority against Corbyn. If, and it's a big if, Labour get in a leader post-Corbyn who's genuinely very good and becomes well-liked by the country as a whole, May will be toast. Especially in the wake of Brexit - if it goes terribly, the government of the time will be out, and even if it goes fairly well, I suspect a lot of people will still be disappointed when they don't see any material, noticeable improvement to their lives, and they'll blame the government anyway.
Finally! The Mail have decided enough is enough and that May's performance today deserved some crit...
Oh.