General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
Strong and Stable campaigns shouldn't need to lie to get themselves out of the shit

 
Honestly, how can you vote for her?

Are people this brainwashed by media propaganda?
 
It's great to see a spoiler free thread, I know the thick of it and Game of thrones have a slight difference in viewership levels but the difference in the threads is clear to see.
 
I was doom and gloom about Labour's chances but I must say I'm starting to believe Corbyn can pull this off. Theresa May is a disaster she's so weak and unstable.
 
Has any party ever overcome such a big gap in polls in such a short space of time to then go on and win? Unfortunately I think it's still impossible, but Labour may well end up doing a lot better than anyone would have predicted. Now that May and the Tories are actually having to engage with the election they're looking pretty clueless.
 
Has any party ever overcome such a big gap in polls in such a short space of time to then go on and win? Unfortunately I think it's still impossible, but Labour may well end up doing a lot better than anyone would have predicted. Now that May and the Tories are actually having to engage with the election they're looking pretty clueless.

People seem to have forgotten that the intention behind calling this election was to increase their majority to strengthen their hand in negotiations with the EU.

That's going well.
 


Kuennsberg makes a pretty shit Tory agent!
 
Finally! The Mail have decided enough is enough and that May's performance today deserved some crit...



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Has any party ever overcome such a big gap in polls in such a short space of time to then go on and win? Unfortunately I think it's still impossible, but Labour may well end up doing a lot better than anyone would have predicted. Now that May and the Tories are actually having to engage with the election they're looking pretty clueless.


Largest currently happened in 1945, a 12% swing to labour when Attlee won. This would surpass it.
 
I'm really starting to believe that they've recognised that there is no coming out of the Brexit negotiations with any sort of credibility and they're looking to put the responsibility on Labours shoulders so they can blame Labour for the inevitable shit storm and steal back in 5 years when the deed is done and they will be promising the world once more.

Yeah, I have been thinking that for the past week or two based on what I have seen from the Tories over the last few weeks.
 
I'm really starting to believe that they've recognised that there is no coming out of the Brexit negotiations with any sort of credibility and they're looking to put the responsibility on Labours shoulders so they can blame Labour for the inevitable shit storm and steal back in 5 years when the deed is done and they will be promising the world once more.
This would require Theresa May to put her party before her own personal career. Which is pretty far fetched, the simpler and probably real explanation is that she's just shit. And the people are around her are also shit.
 
Pleasantly surprised by the level of criticism May has faced from media outlets today.
 
Largest currently happened in 1945, a 12% swing to labour when Attlee won. This would surpass it.
That was a swing from the previous election, I think Ibi meant overcome a poll deficit from a month or two out - in this case 20 points (Labour in 45 were ahead in polls for a couple of years). The answer to which is basically no.
 
I'd still be shocked if the Tories don't win but the momentum is definitely swinging - May's press conference which she was having to reiterate there were to be "no changes" or whatever it was she said showed how her to be incredibly flustered and frustrated at how things have been going. Now she's actually being forced to campaign, and people seem to be realising she isn't very good at it. She's a lacking in Prime Ministerial talent as anyone I've ever seen - for all his faults Cameron was an excellent salesman who never really faltered under pressure at all.

News outlets have rightfully highlighted her weakness/flip-flopping. One thing I'd like to see them nail her on is the hypocrisy of the whole 'strong and stable' mantra which was contradicted by the very calling of this election. If May's argument is that Corbyn is fundamentally dangerous as a potential leader of the country, then calling an election during the Brexit process and therefore giving him the opportunity to lead our exit from the EU was an incredibly stupid and risky move from her - one intended solely to boost her own hand heading into talks instead of accepting the majority she had and working within those constraints. If she wins, but barely extends the party majority at all, then she'll look rather silly for calling an election at all; it'll have been a good month or so of the period during which Article 50 has been triggered having been dedicated to a campaign that didn't change all that much at all.
 
Still expect the Tories to win. But for this just shows how dreadful May is.
 
Still expect the Tories to win. But for this just shows how dreadful May is.
It's strange isn't it. She is seen as the safe pair of hands ffs. So few politicians of any real substance. Give me Ken Clarke any day over her.
The monentum is defo shifting, but Corbyn's big rallies semm mainly in his heartlands, eg Leeds, Hull etc...Is he actually focusing on swing seats which would make more sense?
 
Ok, now we're fast approaching the parody event horizon. So he's the one who would be 'irresponsibly isolationist', not the government who just fully embraced UKIP nationalism and the hardest version of Brexit. Because of course nothing says internationalist like kicking out foreigners and telling people that if they think they are citizens of the world then they're 'citizens of nowhere'.



Surely you'd like him even more if he promised to just leave the lot of them homeless and starving, like your heroes in the modern Conservative party?

If you are going to repeatedly misconstrue my posts for the purpose of making baseless attacks, don't expect a response to the comments you make.


With regards to the Falklands I think your being just maybe a tad over dramatic.

And as for an isolationist Britain, the last decade has shown that Britain has only caused absolute misery across the world, the Iraq War, Afghanistan, the bombing and destruction of Libya in 2011 and now currently supplying the Saudi dictatorship with bombs to kill civilians in Yemen(Most of this done under the falsehood of anti terrorism and ''democracy''). A isolationist Britian would be far better for the world.

So if it boils down to judgment(And I think there's some valid criticism of Corbyn judgement on foreign policy in the 90's)then last decade surely proves Corbyn has had the better judgment, well at the very least better then the person he is running against.

Do you accept that such concerns over sovereignty derive from Corbyn's own declared positions? Pretty recently too, i might add.

You fail to mention British troops on the ground in Nigeria, for the purpose of anti-terror ops, and similarly the support we offer to our allies in the Baltic. Of a more direct nature, are the missions we've undertaken in Iraq against IS forces. We also know that Corbyn is highly reluctant to use drones in an offensive capacity; hell, it was a struggle for him to admit that he'd take out al-Baghdadi, let alone British fighters for Islamic State. Most if not all of these operations would come to an end.I'm not thrilled about our involvement in the Yemeni conflict either, yet with much of the West offering military support we're talking about a gesture in practical terms.

Given the context of events at the time, i don't consider Libya to be analogous with Iraq in 2003. Had we but learnt more lessons from that earlier (tragic) mistake, something better than we see before us today might have been possible. And whether it is guilt on my part or an inherent inclination toward better intervention, i'd also have wanted to explore the practicalities of UK forces helping the Yazidis in particular. We'd have offered as many as possible sanctuary afterwards of course. In terms of mindset, myself and Corbyn are separated by quite some margin.

As matters stand, May hasn't done done much either way to alter what existed previously. We are rightly more hesitant than at the beginning of the 2000s. yet i wouldn't want to see us go to Corbyn's extreme.
 
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If she wins, but barely extends the party majority at all, then she'll look rather silly for calling an election at all; it'll have been a good month or so of the period during which Article 50 has been triggered having been dedicated to a campaign that didn't change all that much at all.
In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.
 
In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.
Her goose would be cooked if she only gained that many, it'll have been an emperor's new clothes moment.
 
The narrative is fascinating. The strong and stable leader who's going to be going up all the rest of Europe in negotiations, who's afraid to have a leadership debate and flip-flops in 24hrs in the face of public outcry. I wonder how far this can go?
 
Losing to Jeremy Corbyn is like losing the PL to Liverpool. It's unthinkable. But if she does do it, it'll be hilarious (the complete opposite of the scousers winning the league).
 
In this scenario, you'd have to wonder how long she'd last as PM. If she gains 10-15 seats, that looks like a failure considering the landscape when the election was called (and the U-turn). It would almost amount to a public rejection of her bid for a "strong hand" to enter negotiations.

Aye, her party will quite clearly see that she's not very good at all if she can barely etch out a majority against Corbyn. If, and it's a big if, Labour get in a leader post-Corbyn who's genuinely very good and becomes well-liked by the country as a whole, May will be toast. Especially in the wake of Brexit - if it goes terribly, the government of the time will be out, and even if it goes fairly well, I suspect a lot of people will still be disappointed when they don't see any material, noticeable improvement to their lives, and they'll blame the government anyway.

Quite honestly though, May being a shite speaker is nothing new. I remember on the night of the 2015 election she was on BBC/ITV and her determination to avoid answering anything was bizarre, bordering on fascinating. The major EU leaders must be pissing themselves laughing right now at the prospect of facing up to someone who seems scared of conflict.
 
Losing to Jeremy Corbyn is like losing the PL to Liverpool. It's unthinkable. But if she does do it, it'll be hilarious (the complete opposite of the scousers winning the league).

To be fair, it would marry well with the narrative in British politics since Brexit. An unnecessary referendum that went against their intention followed by an unnecessary GE that went against their intention. A full circle of idiocy.
 
I'm interested to see how the small Tory to Labour swing affects voting in Scotland - presuming Labour appear stronger again, we may see more unionist voters sticking with Labour, which I'd argue benefits the SNP overall.
 
To be fair, it would marry well with the narrative in British politics since Brexit. An unnecessary referendum that went against their intention followed by an unnecessary GE that went against their intention. A full circle of idiocy.

Corbyn assures worried Tories the day after his shock victory by offering them another vote...in 2022.
 
I'm interested to see how the small Tory to Labour swing affects voting in Scotland - presuming Labour appear stronger again, we may see more unionist voters sticking with Labour, which I'd argue benefits the SNP overall.
Subsamples in polls have shown the gap closed to both being at around 20%, but those are tiny samples so big margin of error.
 
Her goose would be cooked if she only gained that many, it'll have been an emperor's new clothes moment.
I'd rejoice but who knows which Tory then assumes the throne. And I'm not convinced it won't be a landslide Tory win anyway.

Aye, her party will quite clearly see that she's not very good at all if she can barely etch out a majority against Corbyn. If, and it's a big if, Labour get in a leader post-Corbyn who's genuinely very good and becomes well-liked by the country as a whole, May will be toast. Especially in the wake of Brexit - if it goes terribly, the government of the time will be out, and even if it goes fairly well, I suspect a lot of people will still be disappointed when they don't see any material, noticeable improvement to their lives, and they'll blame the government anyway.
If the result is a minor Tory gain, I wonder if Corbyn goes at all. He should irregardless, but he'll see that as a victory.


Labour now 10 points ahead in Wales according to Yougov, which is a reversal of a 10 point Tory lead just a month ago.
 
Finally! The Mail have decided enough is enough and that May's performance today deserved some crit...



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Well to be fair this was yesterdays front page.

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I'm very surprised they used the phrase dementia tax.