Who's gaining in all of these polls where the changes in the parties listed add up to a few negative percentage points?
Is a Monster Raving Loony surge afoot?
Is a Monster Raving Loony surge afoot?
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Rounding, and "other" which includes SNP and Plaid.
But we live in hope that Nick the Flying Brick will make an impact.
Tory voter gymnastics is one of the best things to come out of this election campaign.
It has not been a disaster like how many predicted, even with the unfortunate Manchester attack. We just need a Comey sort of letter on May right now
They are in the process of doing so right now.
They really aren't, certainly not in the US sense.
Selling services to the likes of Virgin doesn't count apparently.
I think even the most Tory of Tories, when it comes to the NHS, are aware that - to use an expression from Yes Minister - only 'salami tactics' are feasible.
They can make minor changes toward privatisation but if they ever dared do too much at once we'd probably burn down parliament, given how fond of the NHS we are as a nation.
They can make minor changes toward privatisation but if they ever dared do too much at once we'd probably burn down parliament, given how fond of the NHS we are as a nation.
Apparently Jeremy Hunt wrote a book on how it can be done. I haven't read it and don't have a link though.
Edit: (after a quick google) https://whatwouldvirchowdo.files.wo...mocracy___an_agenda_for_a_new_model_party.pdf
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Certainly suggests no-one has a clue. Also wish I had a punt on Corbyn earlier. This as weird an election as I can remember. Trying to think- maybe Kinnock's massive fail or Major's shock win as a comparison?
I have heard so, many times. I find it entirely believable that he wishes to do it. I very much doubt he or anyone else could get close in five years, mind.
They'll do severe damage. Of course. I don't believe they can scrap it without us electing them again and again for about thirty years, though.
It's not privatisation in the US sense, no. It's publicly funded private provision, which may or may not be good but it's more like what Canada have. Thus the scare story about bomb victims receiving medical bills isn't relevant.
They'll start with means testing. "The country is so in debt, its only fair that the better off contribute, but of course those most in need will be covered for free!". And then once that 'free for everyone' barrier is finally broken, the system will be finished. They'll chip away, and add more and more limits until it's a truly private system. It's their dream.
No, it's fecking shit.
Chipping away takes a while though. Only works if you keep winning.
As long as any Tory manifesto promises that the brown bloke who talks funny down the road has to pay more, the moronic masses will lap it up. They could do it tomorrow.
In which case it should be perfectly easy to show how shit it is by comparing to systems that use it, rather than using the US system which doesn't. It's about private profit within a public healthcare system, which I'd agree is bad and we should be looking at funding our system at the same level as other developed countries do, but it's not about turning it into a private system like the US.
From memory only, both of those were quite late swings, and not the only examples.
Maybe the message is to expect the unexpected?
Or that the Tories generally outperform the polls.
I do believe in the shy Tory theory, but there are also swings in opinion, which is different.
Of course.
My suspicion is we will wind up with polls of somewhere around a 7-8 point Tory lead before we see results around the 10-11 region.
I'd agree. The Tory PR machine has cocked up so far, as has May, but I think they'll be studying and learning. There could be a complete May meltdown, the only thing that could save Corbyn, but it's unlikely.
The two really unpredictable things are turnout (there's a big difference between pollsters because they account for young voter turnout in particular differently), and whether voting behaviour is different in marginals. For instance, if Labour increased their vote share in the south, southwest and northwest by a fair amount, but lost an equivalent amount in the midlands and north east, it would be bad for their seat total without looking too bad in vote share.
They are outsourcing which is different.
Partial Privatisation is working on the continent quite nicely. People have to pay for it tho and thats so un UK like. Everything for free please.
True enough. Everytime I read your drivel I feel like I should be being paid to do so.
Presumably that will be why from next year or the year after France is changing to a system which is more like the NHS, where people won't have to pay up front to see a doctor?
The joys of ex-pats who think they know what's best for a country they don't wish to live in.
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Didn't know she'd pulled out of the televised leader debate. Being replaced by Amber fecking Rudd.. 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
She's a coward.Didn't know she'd pulled out of the televised leader debate. Being replaced by Amber fecking Rudd..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
Well, now we know they are definitely trying to lose seats.Didn't know she'd pulled out of the televised leader debate. Being replaced by Amber fecking Rudd..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
What are they up to?
EDIT - They've panicked about Brexit, haven't they? They think whoever has to deliver it will be doomed for a generation so they're desperately trying to lose. It's the only thing that can explain their utter ineptitude.
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Always find stuff like this odd
And then
So the person you most trust with brexit negotiations is the person you least trust to look after your own interests.
And then
So the person you most trust with brexit negotiations is the person you least trust to look after your own interests.
Didn't know she'd pulled out of the televised leader debate. Being replaced by Amber fecking Rudd..
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-for-theresa-may-in-televised-leaders-debate
Isn't it just that they think she's a bit evil but when it comes to Brexit they fancy someone like that doing the negotiations?
Rather a twisted robot than a nice slightly naive seeming bloke, when it comes to battling our sworn enemy.
Where do you propose they raise revenue from then? Or do we just stick to as austerity plan that is failing miserably and continue to hammer the poorest in the country?
I despise the Tories and everything they stand for. The sooner they are out of Government the better.
That said, I sort of hope they retain a majority heading into the disaster that is going to be Brexit. That will pave the way for a Labour Government in 2022.
No, because they know it's political suicide. They will just sell the service provision to private providers, which are owned by Tory donors, no matter how badly this effects patients. Those donors can then skim off 5% for themselves
The problem is that when you raise taxes people who can afford to pay more often find ways to avoid doing so. It's not to say raising taxes is never justified because of that reason, of course it is. But the reality is if you're pledging to spend £X on public services you can't assume that you can do so simply by raising tax and assuming what the income to the exchequer will be based on that. Especially tax rises targeted at those who could afford decent accountants to do their taxes for them.
It's why spending commitments of raising £X by taxing Y and giving it to Z often get ripped apart by the IFS, because they often assume a level of compliance that simply isn't realistic. Therefore you end up in a situation where a party proposes spending based on income that they're simply not going to get leading to black holes and etc.
Everyone is against privatisation of the NHS, but why can't we look to the continent where there often exists a better standard of care and treatment? Surely it should be about what's the best way of delivering universal health care. Especially when we know that there's a fair chance at least 50% of the time the NHS will be run by a Tory government. The idea that the Tories want to destroy the NHS yet we insist it's a disgrace if there's any suggestion it isn't run entirely by a Tory health secretary, never really made sense to me.
It's why spending commitments of raising £X by taxing Y and giving it to Z often get ripped apart by the IFS, because they often assume a level of compliance that simply isn't realistic. Therefore you end up in a situation where a party proposes spending based on income that they're simply not going to get leading to black holes and etc.
Everyone is against privatisation of the NHS, but why can't we look to the continent where there often exists a better standard of care and treatment? Surely it should be about what's the best way of delivering universal health care. Especially when we know that there's a fair chance at least 50% of the time the NHS will be run by a Tory government. The idea that the Tories want to destroy the NHS yet we insist it's a disgrace if there's any suggestion it isn't run entirely by a Tory health secretary, never really made sense to me.
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Then the Government of the day needs to clamp down on tax avoidance. I can't avoid paying tax for X amount of years and then come to a sweetheart deal with the Government so why can one of the biggest companies in the world in Google? Didn't they end up paying any effective rate of tax of 3%? The whole system is a joke.
Clamping down on avoidance is fine but could lead to bigger problems with corporations then basing themselves for tax purposes overseas. If the cost of doing so begins to look appealing compared to paying an increased tax domestically then more and more will do it. Only it won't be just the corporations, it'll be large to medium sizes companies depending on turnover and how affected they are.
Like it or not the tax system is more delicate and complicated than: raising = more money, cutting = less
We might not like it and it might seem shit that we effectively reward people for having the financial ability to cheat the system, but at the same time we can't pretend that it doesn't work like exactly that.
Like it or not the tax system is more delicate and complicated than: raising = more money, cutting = less
We might not like it and it might seem shit that we effectively reward people for having the financial ability to cheat the system, but at the same time we can't pretend that it doesn't work like exactly that.
You pop in with this sort of criticism against a non existent phenomena every other week. Half the people in this thread will want Corbyn removed as Labour leader, a sizeable chunk will want him to stay on, and some will never have wanted him to be leader in the first place.
But it's an election. Labour supporters in supporting Labour leader shocker.