I think Real will win, they're much the superior side. That midfield trio 
Juventus - Real Madrid (CL Final)
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Really expect Juve to win this, especially if they score first. Thy are the best team in the world defensively and shut out Barca at the nou camp when Barca needed to score 4 goals.
I think it's their turn and like other expect ronaldo to have an off day and wouldn't be surprised by a Juve clean sheet; 1-0 or 2-0
I think it's their turn and like other expect ronaldo to have an off day and wouldn't be surprised by a Juve clean sheet; 1-0 or 2-0
Going for Juve. Would love to see Buffon holding the big ears.
A combined XI would be something like this
Buffon
Carvajal Bonucci Ramos Marcelo
Casemiro
Modric Kroos
Dybala Higuain Ronaldo
Carvajal Bonucci Ramos Marcelo
Casemiro
Modric Kroos
Dybala Higuain Ronaldo
I would rather pick Alves instead of Carvajal and maybe Marchisio instead of Casemiro but agree on the rest
I would love it for Gigi to win the Champions League. What a legend he is.
But I would bet money on Real Madrid, unfortunately.
But I would bet money on Real Madrid, unfortunately.
With this excellent analysis in mind i would go for 1:0 win for Juventus!
Rooting for Juve even though Juve gave you a footballing lesson?
Let's say this year Juve showed they have an extra gear when it really matters, that's why I am confident for this final. Madrid's midfielders can keep the ball and dictate their pace, though, so we'll see.
I'm easy..... United aren't in it, no specific reason to dislike either team. Fine if Madrid wins (Ronaldo) but also happy with Juve winning (Buffon).... think a lot will depend on Madrid tactics and whether they go for extra midfielder/possession or extra attacker/pace. Personally, I'd go for pace as trying to score against a Juve team that is allowed time to set itself, is tough.
Either way, want an early goal to bring other team out.
Real Madrid to 2-1 after extra time.
so you think it's more logical for Barcelona fan to root for Real Madrid then?
Does it really surprise you us Barcelona fans will support Real Madrid's opponents in a Champions League final? Plus, there's no need for any Juventus related animosity on our part - they beat us fair and square.
If this goes to extra time Madrid will win without any doubt. Anything can happen in those 90 minutes tho.
Madrid are always crazy dangerous in extra time because of their squad depth and I can't see any team in the world surviving an extra time against Madrid.
Madrid are always crazy dangerous in extra time because of their squad depth and I can't see any team in the world surviving an extra time against Madrid.
Historically speaking, best defence are most likely to win against best attack, but lets see.
If Carvajal will be fit and ready the only danger we have no answer for is Mandzukic as an outlet on their left wing. He'll win every duel and every long ball against Carvajal and Modric who will play against him on that side.
We have the better team individually. They have the better system (a team that is more then the sum od it's parts). It will be interesting to see who wins this.
We have the better team individually. They have the better system (a team that is more then the sum od it's parts). It will be interesting to see who wins this.
I think the most important factor will be how Madrids defence copes with the Italians counterattacks. Madrid's strategy after losing the ball is to quickly try and win it back for a short period in time (only when close to the ball ofc), if the oppononent manages to break out of the first wave of pressing they let go and run back. Nothing wrong with that, but it relies on the players discipline and that is their weakness. Madrid fans should just hope guys like Benzema and Ronaldo can be arsed to actually chase the ball from an opponent.
Stellar Defence vs. Sizzling Attack.
Expecting Juve to play 5 at the back (Alves & Sandro as Wing backs + Chiellini, Barzagli & Bonucci as 3 central defenders).
Hope there is no red card to tilt the tie one way or other.
Expecting Juve to play 5 at the back (Alves & Sandro as Wing backs + Chiellini, Barzagli & Bonucci as 3 central defenders).
Hope there is no red card to tilt the tie one way or other.
We have stopped doing that for quite some months, we always play with a back 4 even when BBC+Alves are there.
Barzagli plays as a proper rightback and Alves as a proper winger.
I expect us to play as against Monaco
---------------------Buffon-------------------------
Barzagli-----Bonucci-------Chiellini-----Alex Sandro
--------------Pjanic--------Khedira-----------------
-----Alves-----------Dybala----------Mandzukic
--------------------Higuain-----------------------
Though to be honest it's improper to say we play as 4-2-3-1, it's more like an asymmetric 4-4-2
I agree with you to quite an extent but let me explain with an example what I wanted to say. Case in point being against Monaco earlier this month; as soon as Juve took the lead they delivered a masterclass in holding onto it. The formation became 5-3-2 and Monaco huffed and puffed, Bernando Silva kept cutting in but could not find a way through.
That game in mind I therefore predicted Juve to possibly start as 5-3-2 against Real, because an early goal from Ronaldo n co might put Juve in the back seat and seriously dent their strategy of playing on the counter.
That is something we always do, we always change set up several times during the game, this is why I call it an asymmetric and fluid 4-4-2 since it can become a 5-3-2, a 4-2-3-1 or a 5-4-1 at will without losing anything on the pitch.
But no 5-3-2, even Allegri said he dropped it since we became too conservative with that formation and was never going to use it again.
Indeed 90% of our conceded goals or defeat happened whit the 5-3-2 this season
Have 200 snoops on Madrid. Vamos Real!
We all know what'll happen. It will be a scratchy game and Real will get awarded a soft pen in the 7th minute of added time. Ronaldo will convert it and cal will wank himself into a coma. Casemiro will also still be on the pitch despite doing everything short of actual murder.
Isco plays Real wins, Bale plays and real will lose.
and that was a terrible game, I was hoping for Monaco to reach the final and not Atletico or Juventus.
Juve will win it.
Because no one scored? Please
A lot happened in that game, for both sides
Monaco was completely inadequate to play at this level, if they reached the semi-finals it's rather because their opponents' performance ranged from laughable to embarrassing. They have been the easiest opponent of our entire european campaign (after Dinamo Zagreb).
I just want to stress again that we didn't just beat Barca 1-0 from a goal out of nowhere: we trashed them 3-0.
We are in Cardiff because we have proven that both our attack and defense are elite
We are not like the Atletico side, our football is not ugly and dirty.
cant wait for this! decided to invite people around and treat it like a superbowl party with BBQ, food and drinks. Should be a great final too
Legit 50-50 this one. Madrid may look as the favorite, for having a better team, but Juve are no joke. And Allegri is the best manager in Europe right now. So there are pluses and minuses for both sides.
It may come down to who is the most clinical with their chances conversion.
It may come down to who is the most clinical with their chances conversion.
The only weakness juve has defending is in the air and that's one of madrid's strengths. Don't see Madrid cutting them open through the middle or on the counter as Juve must be the most compact team around. It'll be very interesting to see what formation Allegri goes with. I think a 3-4-3 will be very risky against such a great ball playing side.
I may be biased, but this match should end 2-1 to Juventus with Sergio Ramos scoring 2 own goals in the 90th and 93rd minute.
even in that game though we never played with a 5 men defensive line because Alves was always on the second line of defence ready to counter.
It was a 4231 that reversed to a 442 or 4411 when not in possession. That has a very different shape than a 352 that becomes a 532 when not in possession (our classic system under Conte and partially with Allegri).
The game will be very interesting tactically. Real clearly has more depth because they have 5 top players on the bench too while juve have a couple maybe.
The key decision and only doubt will be whether playing Alves and Cuadrado on the right or Barzagli and Alves as a winger like in Monaco. This last one seems to be the preferred solution for three reasons:
1) Real prefers a perimetral circulation that creates space for its formidable attacking players runs or crosses for Ronaldo or Bale that continuously swap positions not giving points of reference to CB. This is particularly true against strong defences. The only central attacks happens during counters with superiority situations. Barzagli is slower and less good than Cuadrado in positive transitions, but he is a very intelligent defender and the best among all ours in positional defending.
2) Real is lazy during negative transitions and their defence line is often misaligned therefore having Alves in a more advanced position with less defensive tasks and able to triangle with Dybala and Higuain can create spaces behind Real line for runs of either one or room for a cross towards the weak side where Mandzukic can be a threat
3) Cuadrado will be a resource thanks to his runs during the second half when players will be more tired and his runs can be lethal.
Obviously the effectiveness of the tactic will depend on our defence ability to prevent Real from scoring first.
It is 55/45 for Real, but I hope we have a good chance to get it!
Hope Madrid win it now just to piss off atletico fans and Griezmann.
The problem here is Madrid don't have to be in the box to score. They have so many players who can hit wonders from outside the box - so Juve having quality defence may not mean much against this Madrid side.
It's going to be a tactical battle - I have a sneaky feeling Bale/Marcelo would steal the shine and conjure a magic that would be talked about for months. Juventus would put up a fight but I don't think they have enough to keep Zidane's team from scoring.
Impossible to call. Closest CL final in years.
Yeah in 2013 I think most predicted Bayern, in 2014 most predicted Real, in 2015 most predicted Barca, in 2016 most predicted Real again. However, this one is much harder.
Actually Juve is quite strong in the air, the biggest weakness is on set pieces that historically contribute to an insane proportion of the goals we concede (to be fair also because in open play it is very difficult to score against us). This year 2 out of 3 goals concedes are from set pieces
I really don't know which team to support here. Just hope to see a great final