I'd pick Cameron over Thatcher any day of the week.
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May will do something as well, which will destroy any sort of privacy online and continue the needless deaths and increasing food bank use in this country. But she's strong and stable so she's harmless and status quo. Not true, her manifesto gives her the flexibility to feck over a lot of people.
I agree. But May is trying to give off the impression she is boring and status quo, when really she has quite drastic plans.
I have never argued that May will be terrible for the UK. I'm just saying that 'but at least Farage will do something, like Corbyn instead of doing nothing' is a bit....
Farage and his conviction. I've seen it all now. Tomorrow if he sends out a tweet backing May on some random Brexit measure, he'll be back to being a toerag like usual.
It's all good praising/respecting Farage for his conviction. I wonder what happened to the conviction of the people praising Farage's conviction.
My conviction has been to be steadily posting pro-Corbyn content on social media, trying to persuade voters to vote Labour, due to the importance I believe we have of avoiding a tory government at all costs.
Err, that quote is not only made up, it's misleading. Totally mincing what I said and making it somewhat anti-Corbyn?
Will be very, very interesting to see the shift if Corbyn performs well tonight. If Rudd for whatever reason struggles, and comes off worse, May's avoiding the debate will make her seem very, very weak and incapable by comparison.
It's interesting for a lot of reasons, the main for me: Can a progressive alliance actually work? If even for one night, if they all gang-up on Rudd we could see a real shift in public opinion. I have a feeling Farron is gonna feck that up for us though.
It's a huge opportunity to dent the failing Tory campaign. Strong showing tonight, maybe a gaff from May in the coming days and it'll be very interesting to see the polling.
I wonder exactly what May is doing tonight on Brexit thats so important. That would be my audience question to Rudd although im sure the answer would be "working on getting the bestest deal for Brexit"
Also the fact May has pointed out that she's too busy and the debates are pointless surely undermines Rudd being there at all? She not got anything better to do?
Also the fact May has pointed out that she's too busy and the debates are pointless surely undermines Rudd being there at all? She not got anything better to do?
She'll be sat at home watching Rudd debate. It's farcical.
I strongly believe Corbyn is the right candidate for this election. I'm not promoting Corbyn related material in social media though, but I do believe a conservative government is seriously bad for the UK. I just don't agree that Farage is a 'principled man, though his views are abhorent'.
English isn't my first language, so maybe I'm just not communicating my point across effectively.
Heck, even if Rudd does well, May could still look weak for not debating Jezz. All it would take is a couple of catchy quotes, to be picked up tomorrow.
But even if it all goes well tomorrow, it probably won't be enough. Labour need to keep dripping this image that May is weak, into the public psyche.
One week of "weak and nasty" images are needed.
An utter shambles. I don't remember seeing a Labour or Conservative leader with such dreadful body language?
She looks utterly unconfident and unstable. No-one will be watching her and feeling reassured or convinced that she could effectively lead the country.
Do you want Boris negotiating for Britain? That should be enough to scare anyone shitless
And in fairness I didn't say he was principled but I see your point. I'd have never known, your english is excellent mate.
Even Brown would deliver a barnstorming speech.
I get second hand embarrassment watching her, there's very few occasions where she makes me feel comfortable.
At this point, we would be arguing semantics even though we agree that Farage is not a nice man. And it is completely possible that I'm overreacting to a fair point, and it wouldn't be the first time.
Let's hope the debate goes well today so that we have better things to analyze.
It's genuinely bizarre that they thought they could pull off the strong and stable nonsense, literally nonsensical considering May, her record and her mannerisms, yet in all likelihood have probably convinced a large proportion of the electorate that it's the case. They changed tact yes but for alot the phrase has probably somehow stuck.
The mind boggles at it! She's a robot with a faulty processor, they can't let her near the public unscripted because they know, there's nothing much behind the eyes.
I wish I could do written or oral impressions of people. What a mugwump
He elicits emotion, I understand mate. I'm confident Corbyn will do well.
And by confident I mean I'm bricking it and praying he will do well!
My mum has been hypnotised into think Corbyn isn't fit to lead because he has bad tastes in suits, and isn't as polished as Cameron or Blair was.
Amazingly, she has no comment about May.
I'm with you, the mind absolutely boggles.
I think the plan is to increase dementia rates, then target them in future elections. Fool-proof.
I preferred it when pollsters were all similarly wrong so I'd at least think I knew what was going on.
That's a great pity, you should really try and persuade her otherwise, she's almost certainly the demograph which is going to win the election for May. Reasoning as poor as that is can be really entrenched though, I suspect the public's problem with Corbyn is something just on the tip of their tongues, a suspicion that the media and the tories have embedded very well, sadly, it's almost impossible to argue against because it's something unknowable in terms, quantified only because 'it exists.'
No surprise that with longer and better (and if only it were fairer) coverage of Corbyn, he has risen in the polls. He's not the spooky poltergeist of the IRA or a communist in a 'bad' suit, he's at least human not a droid.
People's Assembly Press Release
Wednesday 31 May 2017
Immediate Release
What: Captain Ska & People's Assembly protest & party outside BBC Chart Show
When: Friday 2 June 2017, 4pm - 7pm
Where: BBC Broadcasting Hose, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA
Captain Ska's track, accusing Theresa May of being a "Liar Liar" has stormed to the top of the charts - but the radio broadcasters are refusing to play it.
The track's promoters, the People's Assembly Against Austerity, and Captain Ska have called for a "protest and party" outside the BBC headquarters as the Radio One Chart Show is aired to demand the track is played. On the facebook event page they stated "If they wont play it on the airways we'll blast the song to the public ourselves!"
Earlier in the week the song hit No.10 on the Big Top 40 download charts but radio stations refused to play the song. Since then the song has hit No.1 in the iTunes download charts and looks set to be high up in the official charts this Friday.
BBC Radio One has said "...our editorial guidelines require us to remain impartial and the UK is currently in an election period so we will not be playing the song"
Sam Fairbairn, People's Assembly national secretary, said "The BBC has been anything but impartial throughout the election campaign with a constant bias in favour of the Conservatives. We believe true public opinion should be heard. The popularity of this song shows people are fed up with Theresa May's lies and a Government who's cut, privatised and attacked the poorest and most vulnerable people for too long now."
Jake Painter, band member and songwriter, said "We're overwhelmed by public support and how news of this track has spread globally from the New York Times to the Australian media and everywhere in-between. The fact we, as an unsigned band, had to rely on the People's Assembly to operate as a label and have managed to get this far is a damning indication of how unpolitical the music industry has become. To have the BBC and other broadcasters censor our song is effectively saying that people can't express their political views through popular culture."
Captain Ska's "Liar Liar GE2017" is a scathing attack on the Conservative's record in office, attacking the Tories over food banks, the NHS crisis, education funding crisis and a drop in living standards.
ENDS
Wednesday 31 May 2017
Immediate Release
What: Captain Ska & People's Assembly protest & party outside BBC Chart Show
When: Friday 2 June 2017, 4pm - 7pm
Where: BBC Broadcasting Hose, Portland Place, London W1A 1AA
Captain Ska's track, accusing Theresa May of being a "Liar Liar" has stormed to the top of the charts - but the radio broadcasters are refusing to play it.
The track's promoters, the People's Assembly Against Austerity, and Captain Ska have called for a "protest and party" outside the BBC headquarters as the Radio One Chart Show is aired to demand the track is played. On the facebook event page they stated "If they wont play it on the airways we'll blast the song to the public ourselves!"
Earlier in the week the song hit No.10 on the Big Top 40 download charts but radio stations refused to play the song. Since then the song has hit No.1 in the iTunes download charts and looks set to be high up in the official charts this Friday.
BBC Radio One has said "...our editorial guidelines require us to remain impartial and the UK is currently in an election period so we will not be playing the song"
Sam Fairbairn, People's Assembly national secretary, said "The BBC has been anything but impartial throughout the election campaign with a constant bias in favour of the Conservatives. We believe true public opinion should be heard. The popularity of this song shows people are fed up with Theresa May's lies and a Government who's cut, privatised and attacked the poorest and most vulnerable people for too long now."
Jake Painter, band member and songwriter, said "We're overwhelmed by public support and how news of this track has spread globally from the New York Times to the Australian media and everywhere in-between. The fact we, as an unsigned band, had to rely on the People's Assembly to operate as a label and have managed to get this far is a damning indication of how unpolitical the music industry has become. To have the BBC and other broadcasters censor our song is effectively saying that people can't express their political views through popular culture."
Captain Ska's "Liar Liar GE2017" is a scathing attack on the Conservative's record in office, attacking the Tories over food banks, the NHS crisis, education funding crisis and a drop in living standards.
ENDS
My mum is a strange demographic - first generation non-eu immigrant, grew up working class - all points to a traditional Labour voter.
But she likes people to look the part because she doesn't really understand politics as such, she doesn't care about IRA - but she does care about ISIS and is convinced Muslims need harsher guidelines as a result, doesn't like people on benefits considering she had to work hard all her life etc.
If we were in America i'm sure she'd vote for Trump, strangely enough.
I think there's a lot of people out there who are similar.
Its not like theyd be choosing to air it though, its their standard chart update of which they've not played a part in the selection.
This is just them taking the safer route legally i guess, dont blame them. They've made it a bigger story if anything
This is just them taking the safer route legally i guess, dont blame them. They've made it a bigger story if anything
Don't think there will be a shift. I'm thinking it could be worth betting on a Tory majority if Jez does well tonight and the betting markets move. With the yougov report from this morning we're probably at peak Corbynmania. He's running a great campaign but likely still a way off stopping a Tory majority.
I see, interesting. You could try and point out that Corbyn in some ways represents the groundswell of people reacting to elitism, much like Trump gained that crowd, fighting against the entrenched government, etc. It's difficult.
May is by far and away the worst PM I've seen in my lifetime. I mean I know I've not been around that long, but she's terrible. You don't know what decisions she makes and what decisions she's told to make because she has no conviction with any of them. She's a terrible speaker. You could ask her what she had for breakfast and she could give you an honest answer, but somehow convey it in a way that both made it sound like a lie, and that she detests your existence. She's so bad at speaking they've had to keep her away from television...I mean seriously. This is the Prime Minister.
All she bangs on about is Brexit negotiations and the importance of them, but that in itself is a reason NOT to vote for her so it makes no sense. She's had one dinner meeting and already managed to tell the people she needs to negotiate a deal with that she's a "bloody difficult woman"...You haven't even started negotiating yet and you're already using nuclear tactics. That isn't going to end well.
When debating in parliament, she's used tactics like using the other person's family to attack them rather than defend her point. Not even to help make her point. She tried to use Corbyn's children to belittle his stance on grammar schools, but Corbyn supposedly fell out with his wife over the issue, so actually the thing she attacked him with shows how strongly he feels about it, not how weakly. So either she's a complete idiot, or just values childish personal attacks over informed reasoning or basic logic. This person is the PRIME MINISTER of England...a person who if you worked with, you'd probably try to avoid talking to or giving anything important to do.
This is before you even get to any of her politics and the evil manifesto which actually genuinely sounds like some kind of prelude to 1984.
Corbyn has also won me over a lot but I'm not sure if it's more to do with how bad May is. I've always liked Corbyn's ideals but been unsure of him as a character. When you listen to him speak though, compared to May he sounds passionate, he sounds genuine. He sounds like someone who would try to do the things he's said he's going to do, because he genuinely believes they are correct. I think May has made him look stronger because of how rubbish she is.
I'm going to be genuinely depressed when she scrapes through with a majority and gets the chance to make nearly everyone's lives a bit shitter for another 5 years.
All she bangs on about is Brexit negotiations and the importance of them, but that in itself is a reason NOT to vote for her so it makes no sense. She's had one dinner meeting and already managed to tell the people she needs to negotiate a deal with that she's a "bloody difficult woman"...You haven't even started negotiating yet and you're already using nuclear tactics. That isn't going to end well.
When debating in parliament, she's used tactics like using the other person's family to attack them rather than defend her point. Not even to help make her point. She tried to use Corbyn's children to belittle his stance on grammar schools, but Corbyn supposedly fell out with his wife over the issue, so actually the thing she attacked him with shows how strongly he feels about it, not how weakly. So either she's a complete idiot, or just values childish personal attacks over informed reasoning or basic logic. This person is the PRIME MINISTER of England...a person who if you worked with, you'd probably try to avoid talking to or giving anything important to do.
This is before you even get to any of her politics and the evil manifesto which actually genuinely sounds like some kind of prelude to 1984.
Corbyn has also won me over a lot but I'm not sure if it's more to do with how bad May is. I've always liked Corbyn's ideals but been unsure of him as a character. When you listen to him speak though, compared to May he sounds passionate, he sounds genuine. He sounds like someone who would try to do the things he's said he's going to do, because he genuinely believes they are correct. I think May has made him look stronger because of how rubbish she is.
I'm going to be genuinely depressed when she scrapes through with a majority and gets the chance to make nearly everyone's lives a bit shitter for another 5 years.
The Yougov poll is a massive outlier, I don't think anyone is taking it too seriously. We are all well aware of the shy Tory factor also. I can see what you are saying regarding odds shifting in his favour though. I've stuck my money on the Tories already though so will miss out haha.
To add another antagonistic anecdote - a friend of mine is door knocking for Labour in London, I asked him for his thoughts on the yougov report. He says that "people absolutely hate us" and thinks the party will still get slaughtered. And that's in London...
I've obviously no idea what's going to happen, but would recommend tempering enthusiasm.
I've obviously no idea what's going to happen, but would recommend tempering enthusiasm.
Given that the Lib Dems are very similar to the Tories other than in two areas; benefits and brexit... I wonder if we could see them teaming up once more with the promise of EURef2
I share her belief that JC should be giving serious thought to the Brexit negotiations ahead of his move into No. 10.
Would mean a massive shift in a lot of their support to Labour/Greens. Risky for them I think.
I personally think Lib Dems will become the refuge for the Blairites if Corbyn stays on. Running on a pr platform.
You're not wrong you know, she has a track record of unerringly consistent failure, considering this - a ceaseless, monolith of failure - is somehow being touted as the only person for the most important negotiation this country has had since, well, wartime aside - ever?
On this basis alone Corbyn would be better for the negotiation because he seems capable of speaking to fellow human beings without 404'ing or pausing to maniacally laugh while a patch update begins installing.
Also listen to how she says the word negotiation, she adds a particularly flawed and false RP accent to the word, it's funny. She says it as if she's sipping on champagne at the same time, perhaps because she thinks it's her golden ticket to victory. She refuses to debate which are effectively negotiations without terms, but somehow thinks when it comes to negotiations (sort of like a debate with genuine outcomes, Mrs May) she's the woman. I actually doubt she thinks that.
I doubt she thinks, period.
No chance. If Lib Dems want any chance of remaining relevant, this is their chance to make up for the debacle of 2010. If they side with the Tories again, they're finished once and for all.
Cracking post - agree with it all.