General Election 2017 | Cabinet reshuffle: Hunt re-appointed Health Secretary for record third time

How do you intend to vote in the 2017 General Election if eligible?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 80 14.5%
  • Labour

    Votes: 322 58.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 57 10.3%
  • Green

    Votes: 20 3.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 13 2.4%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 29 5.3%
  • Independent

    Votes: 3 0.5%
  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 11 2.0%
  • Other (UUP, DUP, BNP, and anyone else I have forgotten)

    Votes: 14 2.5%

  • Total voters
    551
  • Poll closed .
So BBC News saw fit to broadcast Rudd saying Corbyn voted against "anti-terror" legislation but not Corbyn's reply that The Appeaser and David Davis did so too. Where did Ubik get to?
Same was done on the BBC's live feed
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For me they were definitely Labour leaning but Nuttall got applause from the audience too.
 


I take it you've deleted it because you saw they changed it, but for anyone that didn't the original last tweet here was worded as if people preferred a Tory win and now is on their feed as the public expects a Conservative win (but only 62% which seems quite low) which makes much more sense.
 
I take it this is a joke in poor taste, I'd like to know.

Of course it's not a bloody joke, i've been on the phone to Rentacanon this past half hour or more. You just can't find the staff these days... ;) What is poor taste about it?

I wouldn't mind someone in this thread justifying the NHS privatisation hyperbole, but that rot has been prevalent for several years.
 
Same was done on the BBC's live feed
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BBC on the audience:



For me they were definitely Labour leaning but Nuttall got applause from the audience too.


I think he only got applause on the 'people that go to fight for ISIS should have their passports taken away from them' quote? I can see why it is popular, I wouldn't go that far myself (legally I'm not even certain we can), but if we know who they are I can't see a single good reason why they're not locked up immediately upon their return.
 
Honestly, if Nuttall can get a big applause, I don't think bias was such a problem. The reason the Tories have lost as much ground as they have is because they've been completely shit and uninspiring.

He got a big applause on something you would expect any politician to receive if they said that British citizens going abroad to fight for Isis should have their passport revoked.
 
I'm a trad Tory voter backing Labour in this election and I feel the audience is fecking biased tbh.

On radio 5 at least they made a pretty big thing at the start on how they'd picked the audience fairly, based on previous voting, both in the last general election and on brexit, so are you saying the BBC cocked that up, or were they lying? Or maybe Labour supporters tend to be younger and more vociferous? If that, and it's pretty obvious it is, I don't really know what could or should be done about it.
 
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Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?
 
A free for all NHS is too expensive to sustain. Some kind of change, think in lines of something like Obama care, is inevitable at some stage in the future no matter which party is in power.
 
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Of course it's not a bloody joke, i've been on the phone to Rentacanon this past half hour or more. You just can't find the staff these days... ;) What is poor taste about it?

I wouldn't mind someone in this thread justifying the NHS privatisation hyperbole, but that rot has been prevalent for several years.

State sanctioned violence against a peaceful political rally? NHS privatisation is happening and your guff about other health services have more privatisation is a goal-post shifting argument, our NHS is public, or should be. I can't read your tone so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, if you can't see what's in poor taste about using a water canon on some labour supporters, any supporters of any legitimate political party for that matter, then it might be a problem.
 
It wasn't a small number in the audience who were pro Corbyn. You could tell it was an overwhelming number once the camera feed switched to the audience after Corbyn spoke and the loud cheering and clapping by the audience.
 
I think he only got applause on the 'people that go to fight for ISIS should have their passports taken away from them' quote? I can see why it is popular, I wouldn't go that far myself (legally I'm not even certain we can), but if we know who they are I can't see a single good reason why they're not locked up immediately upon their return.
Fair enough. I thought he got applause for something else too but guess not.
 
A free for NHS is too expensive to sustain. Some kind of change, think in lines of something like Obama care, is inevitable at some stage in the future no matter which party is in power.

This is totally untrue, we pay far LESS per capital than America do. We can easily afford to pay for the NHS if we choose to.
 
As party leader I think Corbyn is hopeless. However, one thing the election has shown already is that Corbyn is a brilliant campaigner, something the Tories clearly didn't reckon with. Mind you, I still think the Tories will win enough seats to form a majority government sadly enough.
 
I didn't ignore it. I told you it was wrong.

The EU's position from the start has obviously, and unambiguously, been that the UK is either out or in, if it wants access to the single market then that means free movement, if it wants to end free movement then that means no access. Britain can't, to borrow an overused phrase, have its cake and eat it.

You're almost sounding like you think the EU has left the UK and is itself the one desperate for a deal. In reality it's our PM on TV trying to get the public ready for a disastrous 'no deal' Brexit.

Obviously right now we know very little about the deal involving our access to the single market, but I find it odd that you don't see the significance in the fact that the EU want assurances about the EU members and their children and grandchildren. Maybe you haven't seen the EU's proposal, but if they are wanting assurances about who gets to come to the UK, and their rights, it must be a sign that the EU is beginning to accept that free movement will be coming to an end. One guy here the other day was adamant this will not happen.
 
On radio 5 at least they made a pretty big thing at the start on how they'd picked the audience fairly, based on previous voting, both in the last general election and on brexit, so are you saying the BBC cocked that up, or were they lying? Or maybe Labour supporters tend to be younger and more vociferous? If that, and it's pretty obvious it is, I don't really know what could or should be done about it.
I dunno tbh. Makes me sick to my stomach though. Or down with this sort of thing gif.
 
Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?
'Corbyn's magic money tree.'
 
This is totally untrue, we pay far LESS per capital than America do. We can easily afford to pay for the NHS if we choose to.

I'm sorry, but what has the amount an individual pays for their health care got to do with whether or not a country can afford a free for all public NHS??
 
As party leader I think Corbyn is hopeless. However, one thing the election has shown already is that Corbyn is a brilliant campaigner, something the Tories clearly didn't reckon with. Mind you, I still think the Tories will win enough seats to form a majority government sadly enough.

Well he's just offering everything to everyone to get as many votes as possible in order to deny the Tories the majority they were looking for. He knows he's not going to win it, but if he manages to prevent a tory majority, many will see his campaign as a success.

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I'm sorry, but what has the amount an individual pays for their health care got to do with whether or not a country can afford a free for all public NHS??
He meant that the US system spends more per person than we spend on the NHS. And we're not a poor country, so the "we can't afford to spend more on the NHS" logic doesn't work.
 
Well he's just offering everything to everyone to get as many votes as possible in order to deny the Tories the majority they were looking for. He knows he's not going to win it, but if he manages to prevent a tory majority, many will see his campaign as a success.

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That's ironic, as Labour's manifesto is costed whereas the Tory manifesto amounts to "ask us after you vote".
 
Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?
The only reason to vote conservative is if you're wealthy and don't want to pay a little bit more tax. If you're not, they're only going to make your life harder.
 
Why the feck does it cost six figures to have a minor op there then?
Because it's still a market system. If you can't afford to pay for the healthcare, you have to wait until a moment before you die and declare bankruptcy when presented with the bill. Eventually the tax payer will still pay for it, but they'll try to rinse you first. I've heard it referred to as laundered socialism before.
 
That's ironic, as Labour's manifesto is costed whereas the Tory manifesto amounts to "ask us after you vote".

Obviously much of what will be available to spend will be dependant on the economy post brexit. Tories haven't offered the impossible, because they know they will be the ones in power June 9th.
 
Okay, so me and my cat are pretty terrible with politics, and I want a fair and non-biased opinion, so far from what I have seen I want to vote Labour as their manifesto seems to make sense and promotes Education.

So why should I vote Tories? All I hear is how bad they are, and I want to know why they are wrong and why are they actually good for the country? I hear nothing but negativity but they clearly are getting lots of support, but why?

https://uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz
https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/survey/1/select-issues

These might help. If you've been reading manifestos then you're better informed than most.
 
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Well he's just offering everything to everyone to get as many votes as possible
This must be a first for politicians.
 
It's a sign of how relentlessly thick some of the electorate are that they still believe that Labour's manifesto pledges are some sort of extravagant splurge, or an extreme danger to our economy. Wise up.

Relentlessly attacking the poor is a political choice, not a necessity.
 
Why the feck does it cost six figures to have a minor op there then?

I'm not sure whether this is true or why if it is, but as a matter of interest I know a couple of people that have gone to India for operations. Very comfortable, professional and cheap. The Indian middle classes are very demanding, the service is reportedly brilliant.
 
Well he's just offering everything to everyone to get as many votes as possible in order to deny the Tories the majority they were looking for. He knows he's not going to win it, but if he manages to prevent a tory majority, many will see his campaign as a success.

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Labour's fully costed manifesto has like £3 billion spare for "things" while the Tory's manifesto is "ask us in a bit".
 
The only reason to vote conservative is if you're wealthy and don't want to pay a little bit more tax. If you're not, they're only going to make your life harder.

The cost of medical treatment and whether or not a country can afford a free for all NHS are different issues. What I'm saying is that at some stage it's inevitable that the way the NHS is funded will change. Think of the introduction of compulsory national health insurance whereby insurance companies and the government pay for the medical treatment, as is the case with most NHS' in countries who have an NHS.
I hope I've now made clear what I mean.
 
Obviously right now we know very little about the deal involving our access to the single market, but I find it odd that you don't see the significance in the fact that the EU want assurances about the EU members and their children and grandchildren. Maybe you haven't seen the EU's proposal, but if they are wanting assurances about who gets to come to the UK, and their rights, it must be a sign that the EU is beginning to accept that free movement will be coming to an end. One guy here the other day was adamant this will not happen.

'Accepting' is a weird turn of phrase. Yes, they realise free movement will be ending as Britain has prioritised this over the economy. No, they haven't shown any willingness to bend on the four principles and allow Britain to cherry pick.

Your attempts to present this as some sort of negotiating coup for the UK is, quite frankly, bizarre. I can only assume it's borne out of a complete failure to inform yourself of the discussion.

Obviously much of what will be available to spend will be dependant on the economy post brexit. Tories haven't offered the impossible, because they know they will be the ones in power June 9th.

And that Brexit is a daft idea and Theresa May will feck up negotiating it presumably.
 
The cost of medical treatment and whether or not a country can afford a free for all NHS are different issues. What I'm saying is that at some stage it's inevitable that the way the NHS is funded will change. Think of the introduction of compulsory national health insurance whereby insurance companies and the government pay for the medical treatment, as is the case with most NHS' in countries who have an NHS.
I hope I've now made clear what I mean.
This just sounds like we're adding a middleman to replace HMRC's role in collecting the money. It's totally unnecessary, especially if it's means tested - which is what a progressive tax is anyway. If there's a shortage of funds, the fix isn't to outsource it. That said, I don't know much about most other health systems.
 
Well he's just offering everything to everyone to get as many votes as possible in order to deny the Tories the majority they were looking for. He knows he's not going to win it, but if he manages to prevent a tory majority, many will see his campaign as a success.

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Labour have been transparent on how they plan to fund their pledges.