Effectively Griezmann has said he is staying.
Ed Woodward | Post season 2017 edition
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I feel like that has been completely wasted now...
Griezmann apparently decided to stay because of the ban. A bit of a silly boy with what was said and done previously.
Just try and erase all Griezmann related memories.
Could that not be in response to us dropping interest though?
It could..
I was originally being sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't seem to work very effectively on this forum
Just to clarify, I know we will not sign Wilshere We didn't drop interest, we said we did to save face. We probably knew for a while that getting Greizmann was dependent on Atleti having their transfer ban overturned. Yesterday/early this morning, we found out the CAS were going to reject Atleti's appeal so we briefed the press saying we'd dropped interest in him after Ibra's injury.
I edited my post above.I was originally being sarcastic. Sarcasm doesn't seem to work very effectively on this forum
That's what I'm wondering about as well. His PR work was incredibly stupid.
Luckily for him, fans worship players so much that they'll forgive them almost everything. Source for this?
Make this Summer good Woody. My dream signing ain't happening now.
€52m for Perisic, someone please take Woodward off transfer duty. He gets rinsed time and time again. We need someone else doing transfer negotiations.
Blame Mourinho if that who he wants
How is that Jose's fault that Ed is clearly overpaying for a player that Jose wants? So would you blame Mourinho too if he wanted Richard Wright as a back up goal keeper and Woodward then went and spent £70m on him?
It's Woodward's Job to attain Mourinho's targets but he's meant to do something called negotiate and do that well, his transfer record for the most part is one of overpaying but this takes the biscuit.
It's just like in everyday life. If you go around "flashing the cash" aka "giving it the biggun" you are just asking for people to overcharge or take advantage of you. Man Utd needs to project a different, less braggadocio financial image.
Impossible you say? Given that club's financial performance is in the public domain that might seem to be the case BUT we need to project another image via our own press/Man United TV and/or press surrogates. For one there is the small matter of the debt. This has to be serviced and it is expensive. We need to carefully play on this. Also we need change from a club which is seen as being desperate for immediate success to one that considers current progress satisfactory and on track for our immediate and near-term goals.
It is a fine line but we need our claim of belonging at the European and World footballing top-table to switch from primarily claims of financial superiority to one which relies more on performance. And to make the point clear we need to manufacture a few transfer failures where we spin the narrative that we backed out due to there being no 'value in the deal' ("market").
I think Jose is trying to influence this anyway as seen by the prices we got for departing players last year compared to recent times. I suspect that this drive for value is behind the delays with the Lindelhof transfer (and it seems to have been effective).
You might probably ask how do we improve on-field performance without being held to ransom? The main answer is better scouting and that is an area where the club has been particularly poor in recent times. Do we still have a feeder club/clubs? I can't remember.
A re-branding of this magnitude requires resources, resolve, resolution and the odd ruse. From what I am seeing I think the club is already driving to get better value but the "loads a money" image persists.
This needs attention.
Why anyone thinks this summer will be any different to any of the other ones where Woodward has been in charge is confusing. There has been zero sign of him changing tact or thinking he is going about anything the wrong way.
It will be the same...overpaying for players after spending far too long faffing around trying to sign them. Probably missing out on a couple we could have got as a result.
It's what Woodward does. At least he doesn't seem to have a say in who those players are anymore. The first year under LVG it was like Woodward thought he was playing ultimate team on Fifa.
It will be the same...overpaying for players after spending far too long faffing around trying to sign them. Probably missing out on a couple we could have got as a result.
It's what Woodward does. At least he doesn't seem to have a say in who those players are anymore. The first year under LVG it was like Woodward thought he was playing ultimate team on Fifa.
I am sure Ed will try to slip Cavani past Jose somehow.
Are people completely ignoring last summer and how well he wrapped up our transfers (and pretty cheaply, too)?
Threads like these are so stupid. Swaths of armchair professionals thinking they know how to go about transfers and negotiation better than the Chief Executive of the biggest club in the world. It's laughable. What's even more laughable is the fact that it's June 2nd and half of this site is hysterical as if the world is ending and we're doomed as a club. Additionally, shouldn't threads like these be made after the window has closed? You know, when all of our business will be done.
Threads like these are so stupid. Swaths of armchair professionals thinking they know how to go about transfers and negotiation better than the Chief Executive of the biggest club in the world. It's laughable. What's even more laughable is the fact that it's June 2nd and half of this site is hysterical as if the world is ending and we're doomed as a club. Additionally, shouldn't threads like these be made after the window has closed? You know, when all of our business will be done.
It's 2nd June. Come back at the start of September with this nonsense.Does anyone know - when United go for player X, is it literally just Woodward by himself negotiating with the club and agent, or do United have professionals to help?
eddie's gonna ed innit
I still don't understand that negotiations. Why that sometimes lasts for weeks even months.
Example- you go for player ex. If you want player x go to that club, sit with owner and negotiate whole day. You will have a deal or you won't. Give them day or two and go for other targets.
I have a feeling that offers are going with pony express. Ed sends 50 mil. After a week offer is received, than counter offer, then counter offer etc...
What is the problem with paying large fees? We're inflating the whole market up to a point that only a few clubs can afford to buy the best of the best.
Would you rather have petty fights with Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal or even Everton over who gets the 30m signature?
I wouldn't. I'd rather compete with Barca, Real, Juve, PSG or Bayern for 100m signings.
Financial strength is mostly what has kept us afloat despite the shitty past couple of seasons.
Would you rather have petty fights with Liverpool, Spurs, Arsenal or even Everton over who gets the 30m signature?
I wouldn't. I'd rather compete with Barca, Real, Juve, PSG or Bayern for 100m signings.
Financial strength is mostly what has kept us afloat despite the shitty past couple of seasons.
There's so much to these big deals. Generally United are going to be signing one of the best players at a given club and for a big price. There's brinkmanship with both sides trying to get the best deal for themselves and its why you see a lot of conflicting news stories (United might brief the press to say we're interested in x player, or we've moved onto other targets).
After the fee is agreed then the player needs to agree terms and sometimes this causes issues due to the calibre of player we go for having image rights, personal sponsors etc.
Then with all the money side sorted out the selling club need to agree a transfer plan and probably want to get deals done before the other clubs realise they're about to get an 50 mil windfall from United. So a deal might be in place and not announced until the replacement is signed (For example Lacazette initially coming to Atletico)
Ed will come through for us. He finally has the manager he wants and respects and he'll through hoops to satisfy Mourinho. We're in good hands with Woody.
There are lots of 3rd parties involved so it's not that simple and we are not talking about £10 or £50, we are talking about millions here. Every decision like that needs to be discussed with shareholders, major sponsors etc and it obviously takes time. Same goes for selling club. There are a lot of people involved (usually) to make a decision.
Everybody, look at me, my name is noodle and I'm gonna go on another obnoxious rant (without any evidence) to impress lots of wankers on RedCafe.
You're a halfwit.
Can you tell me and everybody else at what point we signed Perisic for €52 euros today?
I'm looking hard and I can't find anything. Or will you admit to talking out of your arse?
Everybody, look at me, my name is Kag...I go onto the internet so I can get pointlessly angry at someone's opinion on football, on a football forum that exists so people can post opinions about football on it.
...Then I accuse other people of being halfwits.
I'm not angry, I'm just calling your bollocks out for what it is. You haven't got a clue what Ed Woodward does, or what he's doing now, yet you're getting jumped up on the internet about it, like a slightly more intelligent breed of imbecile posting throughout the transfer forum.
You're right about one thing, mind, all of this is certainly pointless.
I'm sure it's just Ed sitting on one side of the desk with the agent and a player sitting on the other side. Ed says tot he player, how would you like to play for Manchester United. We can offer you a package with image rights and a big wad of cash. The player pauses, then whispers something in his agents ear. The agent then responds with "my client feels you can do better". Ed then clears his throat and adjust his shoulders, leans back in his fancy executive chair shifting back in forth because it swivels, all while tapping his pencil on the table. He then leans in with elbows on the table and says "I'm Ed Woodward. Deal with it."
I imagine there might be a few lawyers involved and perhaps a club secretary.
I don't even go in the transfer forum. Now you've pointlessly insulted everyone in there too.
You apparently come on a forum where people talk to each other about stuff, in order to instead dish out dickish insults, and somehow come to the conclusion that doing so makes you smarter than them, rather than some kind of confused idiot.
I'm also not sure you understand what a rant is.
It looks like no one really knows who we are after in the transfer market. Journalists just making up stuff to fill their columns.
Welcome to EVERY transfer window ever!
Atleast last summer, we had Pogba and Zlatan transfers to look forward to. Griezmann has been nipped at the bud leaving us with no muppet target.Innit
What happens when other teams are involved, then the whole sitting with the other club for a day does not work. They might not want to sit with you for a whole day, they got stuff to do. You got stuff to do.
It would be silly to keep abandoning targets because you can't get them done in a day. You would end up so far down your list, you would be buying players from the MLS.
Agents represent multitple players, so they have to balance that also. The players might be off on vacation, have other things going, international duties, etc.
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