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[FromTheBench]

Is corbyn peaking at just the right time ?

This election sure is getting interesting. May exposes herself the long the campaign goes on more and more.

 

[Untied]

ELI5 what it means that the NHS has a deficit.

Even with government funding and fees, they are nearly £1bn in the red each year?

Yep. Apologies this is an image but I'm on my phone and the PDF isn't playing ball

From here: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/...eficits_in_the_NHS_Kings_Fund_July_2016_1.pdf

 

[altodevil]

That poll still results in a good majority for the Tories though

 

[Cheesy]

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1390070-unionist-parties-working-against-snp-in-key-seats/

Argh.

 

[altodevil]

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1390070-unionist-parties-working-against-snp-in-key-seats/

Argh.

Yeah it's sickening isn't it. Saw a leak today that shows Labour have only contacted 1 person in Moray, Angus Robertson's seat, so that the Tories have a free run at him. You can't vote Labour in Scotland with Dugdale in charge. It's really unbelievable.

 

[Sweet Square]

Spoiler

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Please let this man be our next PM

All of his hot air won't do the ice caps any favours, nor will pointless letters aid the amazon i imagine.

Yup, so they're under funding the NHS. Which I must admit is a genuine surprise for me... (sarcasm).

A few billion of which is the NHS' ongoing contribution to PFI debt. Moreover, Labour in 2015 offered one-third of the either the Tories or Lib Dems for healthcare spending. Even in this instance, Corbyn and his money tree fall short of meeting the current demands of the system.

 

[Cheesy]

Yeah it's sickening isn't it. Saw a leak today that shows Labour have only contacted 1 person in Moray, Angus Robertson's seat, so that the Tories have a free run at him. You can't vote Labour in Scotland with Dugdale in charge. It's really unbelievable.

Aye, every time I think of voting for Corbyn's Labour and then see something like that I'm put right off. Can understand prioritising seats; that's fair enough, but actively not campaigning so that the Tories beat out the SNP is poor stuff.

Wonder if the Tories and Lib Dems are taking the same approach in my area.

 

[Cheesy]

All of his hot air won't do the ice caps any favours, nor will pointless letters aid the amazon i imagine.

No, but it would demonstrate a spine. May's refusal to condemn Trump is telling. And her own record on climate change legislation is quite poor as well; would much rather have someone in charge who recognises it as an important issue and treats it as such.

 

[DOTA]

Any nerdy sort know when the last time the main two shared 85% of the vote?

I find it hard to believe.

 

[Ubik]

Any nerdy sort know when the last time the main two shared 85% of the vote?

I find it hard to believe.

1979

 

[Skills]

Aye, every time I think of voting for Corbyn's Labour and then see something like that I'm put right off. Can understand prioritising seats; that's fair enough, but actively not campaigning so that the Tories beat out the SNP is poor stuff.

Wonder if the Tories and Lib Dems are taking the same approach in my area.

Tories winning in scotland?

 

[Cheesy]

Any nerdy sort know when the last time the main two shared 85% of the vote?

I find it hard to believe.

1970 looks like the last time it was so dominated by two parties. Which is funny considering 2015 looked like it was ushering in a new era of multi-party politics to an extent.

 

[Cheesy]

Tories winning in scotland?

They're not going to win overall but they'll up their seat total, and there's a few that are very, very close. Robertson's seat is a big one. Perth, Stirling and other areas of Aberdeenshire are also targets. As are some areas in Edinburgh. In a lot of these places it'll be tight and it'd piss me off big time if Labour are preferring the idea of a Tory getting in to someone from the SNP, when the latter increases their chance of government.

 

[altodevil]

Tories winning in scotland?

They are going to nab 6-12 seats, always thought we were somewhat immune up here. Not the case however.

 

[Zlatattack]

I think Labour are still the riskier option, just.

The 7p per meal gaffe is insane (just asking someone to work the extra hour will cost 30-50p per meal if nothing else)...

But Labour want to heavily increase taxation, heavily increase spending, and nationalise things all over the place. Whether or not you support that idea, it's a huge change, with the potential to go very badly (for example, if increasing corporation tax and the highest tax rate moves jobs abroad).

On the other hand the Tories want to eject us from the Single Market faster than Theresa May can back-track on any cuts affecting Tory voters.

On the other hand, Labour's EU proposals are as clear as mud.

Live a little, go for the crazy radical left wing option. How do you know you won't like it if you don't try it?

 

[Ubik]

This Mori one is bigger to me than the YouGov ones

 

[Sweet Square]

Also what the feck is up the Lib Dems



bunch of cnuts.

 

[Untied]

This Mori one is bigger to me than the YouGov ones

It makes the YouGov one (and their somewhat novel methodology) a lot less of an outlier

10 point loss in two weeks. 5 point lead, one week to go.

 

[rcoobc]

Yep. Apologies this is an image but I'm on my phone and the PDF isn't playing ball

From here: https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/sites/...eficits_in_the_NHS_Kings_Fund_July_2016_1.pdf

Jesus

 

[DenisIrwin]

It's certainly catchy.

 

[villain]

Also what the feck is up the Lib Dems



bunch of cnuts.

For a party that's the most open to decriminalising drugs - you would think, that they are socially liberal.

 

[Smores]

I refuse to get optimistic because of these polls. It heartens me somewhat that the country might not all be idiots but i still expect a slim tory majority in the day.

 

[DOTA]

Also what the feck is up the Lib Dems



bunch of cnuts.

I say things like that...

The pill has put oestrogen in to the water. It's great! We all have bigger tits, more empathy and more open mindedness of our sexuality.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

This Mori one is bigger to me than the YouGov ones

Yup.

Its about momentum now, Corbyn is everywhere, and not as a joke, not as a broken man, but as the guy people are waiting for hours to see and listen to.

May is in hiding, has a candidate facing charges for electoral fraud, yesterday defended another candidate for claiming women getting raped is their own fault (she said it was in the past, irony given her attacks on corbyn) and has hitched her future on dorito mussolini, who just declared war on the entire planet.

I have never seen anything like this since devon loche failed to win the National.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

No, but it would demonstrate a spine. May's refusal to condemn Trump is telling. And her own record on climate change legislation is quite poor as well; would much rather have someone in charge who recognises it as an important issue and treats it as such.

Then criticise her or the government based on any failure to meet the Paris Agreement, not an empty gesture of no practical import whatsoever. The Labour manifesto isn't offering anything groundbreaking itself from what i could see, rather a return to Cameron's husky outreach programme. Posturing won't help us adapt to climate change, and that is ultimately all that the letter amounts to.

Let's come back to this in 5-10 years and see how well those wonderful signatories have improved their nations from an emissions and efficiency standpoint.

 

[RedSky]

Live a little, go for the crazy radical left wing option. How do you know you won't like it if you don't try it?

It's not even being radical.

- Racism on the up since Brexit.
- NHS is utterly fecked under Tories with them wanting to sell off more in 2 for 1 offers.
- Police, School all under funded to the point where Headteachers and Police Chiefs have to plead for more funding.
- We aren't even reducing the National Debt despite all of these cuts.
- May doesn't have the balls to step up against Trump so how can we expect her to stand up against the EU in Brexit negotiations?
- Now they're going after OAPs with Dementia tax.

I mean, how low are we as a country willing to sink before we decide to bin the Tories and try someone else?

 

[Cheesy]

Then criticise her or the government based on any failure to meet the Paris Agreement, not an empty gesture of no practical import whatsoever. The Labour manifesto isn't offering anything groundbreaking itself from what i could see, rather a return to Cameron's husky outreach programme. Posturing won't help us adapt to climate change, and that is ultimately all that the letter amounts to.

Let's come back to this in 5-10 years and see how well those wonderful signatories have improved their nations from an emissions and efficiency standpoint.

Plenty of political gestures are relatively empty gestures - nevertheless a strong condemnation of Trump's action would be a signal of intent. Although I'll agree those condemning him should also be judged on their actions over time as opposed to words.

 

[QuackQuack]

I'm struggling to understand how the Tories will manage a landslide victory. I think they will be in power but I just hope Labout and other parties (bar ukip) are resilient enough to challenge it.

 

[Untied]

May is in hiding, has a candidate facing charges for electoral fraud, yesterday defended another candidate for claiming women getting raped is their own fault (she said it was in the past, irony given her attacks on corbyn) and has hitched her future on dorito mussolini, who just declared war on the entire planet.

 

[Unmutual]

123456

 

[Smores]

Yeah this poll is much more significant. Till now the voting intentions were the only things that were pointing to the Labour surge being legit, but with the NHS being the key issue and with Corbyn closing the leadership gap, it means the other fundamentals are lining up as well.

Fwiw, my experiences so far in Mcr, Wirral South & Rochdale make it hard to reconcile these figures with what people are saying to me. However it may be that this is truly the first social media election, and even doorstep campaigning is no longer a decent indicator of how an election is going.

Are people ever positive on the doorsteps out of interest? I've not done it personally but from those ive spoken to it seems to always be a negative experience. People want to bust your balls as it were.

 

[DOTA]

I'm struggling to understand how the Tories will manage a landslide victory. I think they will be in power but I just hope Labout and other parties (bar ukip) are resilient enough to challenge it.

I'm really unsure what's going to happen, after it all.

Assuming a Tory majority, it's going to be a lot harder than expected for the 'Centrists' to tell the 'Corbynistas' that their brand of politics doesn't work, if these polls are remotely close to what happens. It seems likely now that hell get a higher vote share than Brown and possible that he'll beat Blair's vote share from '05.

The infighting continues, then, I imagine.

 

[Ubik]

Yeah this poll is much more significant. Till now the voting intentions were the only things that were pointing to the Labour surge being legit, but with the NHS being the key issue and with Corbyn closing the leadership gap, it means the other fundamentals are lining up as well.

Fwiw, my experiences so far in Mcr, Wirral South & Rochdale make it hard to reconcile these figures with what people are saying to me. However it may be that this is truly the first social media election, and even doorstep campaigning is no longer a decent indicator of how an election is going.

Yeah, I've mocked the "we are his media" thing and the non-voter strategy more than anyone, but if they pull this off then fair play, I was extremely wrong.

Or, it could be 1987 again. Genuinely no idea. Wouldn't be surprised at any Tory seat total in next week's exit poll between 300 and 380 now.

 

[montpelier]

Some event that gets the young vote out would be handy.

 

[Smores]

I do wonder what it'll mean if it ends up close. Will he stay on and will the party try to maintain this momentum or still try to revert to the centre and argue amongst itself.

Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically

 

[Silva]

I do wonder what it'll mean if it ends up close. Will he stay on and will the party try to maintain this momentum or still try to revert to the centre and argue amongst itself.

Labour will still have lost so the PLP arguably will have been proven right but that doesnt mean a shift is needed. Back to the same post Ed situation basically

I'm not sure who could replace Corbyn without pissing off the majority of Labour members.

 

[Cheesy]

I'm really unsure what's going to happen, after it all.

Assuming a Tory majority, it's going to be a lot harder than expected for the 'Centrists' to tell the 'Corbynistas' that their brand of politics doesn't work, if these polls are remotely close to what happens. It seems likely now that hell get a higher vote share than Brown and possible that he'll beat Blair's vote share from '05.

The infighting continues, then, I imagine.

To be fair, most would probably argue that while Corbyn's ran a fantastic campaign, he's benefited from being up against an appalling Prime Minister who's running a horrendously bad campaign. And while the increased vote share is a positive, it's partly because of the decline of the Lib Dems - had they been sitting on 7% in the Blair era, Labour might have been hitting 50%.

 

[Cheesy]

I'm not sure who could replace Corbyn without pissing off the majority of Labour members.

Clive Lewis seems like a possible compromise but I'm not sure the centrist-wing will be too keen on him.

 

[DOTA]

To be fair, most would probably argue that while Corbyn's ran a fantastic campaign, he's benefited from being up against an appalling Prime Minister who's running a horrendously bad campaign. And while the increased vote share is a positive, it's partly because of the decline of the Lib Dems - had they been sitting on 7% in the Blair era, Labour might have been hitting 50%.

They most certainly will and as relevant as it is I'm not sure it'll do the job.