Jeremy Corbyn - Not Not Labour Party(?), not a Communist (BBC)

I do just mentioned and agree with what @Ubik has said before that there aren't actually that many Blarites in the Labour Party.
 
Cheesy said:
True. The centre-ground of the party largely treated Corbyn like crap when he got in and never particularly gave him a chance, and Corbyn's performance has largely proven them (and many of us) wrong, but I'd say he should be the bigger man on this one and try to unite everyone around him; so far, to his credit, he's been doing that, welcoming figures who resigned etc back into the shadow cabinet.

For as much as guys like Campbell, Mandelson etc may be snakes, they've had their uses in the past and I'd say it's much better for Corbyn to have them on his side than against him. They don't even necessarily need to be in incredibly prominent, senior roles as such, but if they're willing to play a part then they can be included and could be useful. Hell, if nothing else, Corbyn can rip the piss out of the Tories by claiming he's a unifying figure of strong and stable government, someone who's able to unite his party and put differences aside, while they are the coalition of chaos; welcoming in a corrosive influence such as the DUP to government, and shafting the country over to suit the whims of their party more than once.

Plus, Attlee was known as a consensus compromise-type politician, someone who could work with all wings of the party, and he's the best Labour PM (and perhaps the best PM) the country's ever had.
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Agree with all of this. Get Alastair Campbell on board as the master of spin. Let him take on the hostile Murdoch press. Mandelson as well. Get all the centrist Blairites on board, David Miliband as well. Corbyn can then say that he's unified and brought together the different wings of Labour, whilst the Tories are marred by infighting with another leadership contest coming up most likely.

Labour needs to work together before the next election which most likely will be next year.
 
Kaos said:
Corbyn has always made it clear the door is open to them. If they put their petulances aside and agree to support their leader who's now quashed this nonsense of allegedly being unelectable, then there's no problem. Balls in their court.

Otherwise they can join Simon Danczuk in the career graveyard.
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No, he's a Brownite.
 
ThierryHenry said:
FT says Miliband, Cooper and Umunna are joining the shadow cabinet. :)
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Wise i think, if only because of the lack of talent and media presence of those amongst the existing SC.
I'm still nervous that some will try to oust him at any moment, if they do it'll be the end of Labour for a while.
 
Jeremy Corbyn just told the House of Commons that Labour was prepared to offer "strong and stable leadership in the national interest

Corbyn teasing May - 'we all look forward to welcoming the Queen's speech as soon as the coalition of chaos is ready'

:lol: Jezza's having a blast.
 
Drifter said:
Personally i hope Corbyn fecks the PLP off. But unfortunately he is not as vindictive as i am.
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That'd be self destructive, he can't whip the PLP to vote on party without consent.

Drifter said:
Let's hope they tow the line . And don't mess things up
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Tow what line? It's not dictatorship where Corbyn decides policy and everyone else follows mindlessly they'd be creating policy alongside him. He's going to have to comprimise and consult.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
That'd be self destructive, he can't whip the PLP to vote on party without consent.



Tow what line? It's not dictatorship where Corbyn decides policy and everyone else follows mindlessly they'd be creating policy alongside him. He's going to have to comprimise and consult.
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What policies will they bring to the table
 
Drifter said:
What policies will they bring to the table
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I'd imagine more centrist and european centric ones. The real strength they'd bring to the table though would be campaigning and debating on issues in the news media. Before the election campaign Labour were doing a shocking job of putting it's message across.

Currently the only quality public speaker and debator in the shadow cabinet beside Corbyn is Emily Thornberry. He needs a much stronger team if he's going to influence public opinion.
 
WackyWengerWorld said:
I'd imagine more centrist and european centric ones. The real strength they'd bring to the table though would be campaigning and debating on issues in the news media. Before the election campaign Labour were doing a shocking job of putting it's message across.

Currently the only quality public speaker and debator in the shadow cabinet beside Corbyn is Emily Thornberry. He needs a much stronger team if he's going to influence public opinion.
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That is what got Labour into trouble in the first place .Centrist needs to realise that it's ideas are dead and no amount of spin doctors and think tanks will change that. As for news media their influence in politics as proven to be ineffective and are on the wane. Politics as changed and the sooner the PLP sees that the better if not form another party.
 
Drifter said:
That is what got Labour into trouble in the first place .Centrist needs to realise that it's ideas are dead and no amount of spin doctors and think tanks will change that. As for news media their influence in politics as proven to be ineffective and are on the wane. Politics as changed and the sooner the PLP sees that the better if not form another party.
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Wot
 
Drifter said:
That is what got Labour into trouble in the first place .Centrist needs to realise that it's ideas are dead and no amount of spin doctors and think tanks will change that. As for news media their influence in politics as proven to be ineffective and are on the wane. Politics as changed and the sooner the PLP sees that the better if not form another party.
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Except it's the only strategy that has seen Labour seize power. Simply put many don't trust Labour to implement huge spending plans without: A) putting the country in huge debts B) increasing taxes.

My dad voted Labour numerous times and voted remain but after the recession he hasn't trusted them with the economy and deficit to vote for them since. He's been close to backing them because of the NHS and Schools but he simply thinks they'll overspend and mismanage everything. It's a valid concern.

And there's things that show they don't give a feck about A) Increasing national debt B) Increasing national debt. IE pay 50k for as many students as possible to get worthless degrees in fashion and media studies with a couple of Es at A Level as possible. As a liberal and left winger I can't accept that utterly stupid stance, so why should I expect the electerate to do so? I'm happy to subsidise worthwhile degrees like Medicine, Engineering, Accountancy, Law but feck off paying for the toilet studies.

Corbyn needs to convince and promise people that he won't piss public money away left right and centre while having a sensible talented group of PLPs working for him. The current cabinet of drop outs will never achieve that.
 
Badunk said:
Everyone loves a winner.

Or a plucky loser.
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Yeah, it's amazing isn't it. He lost the election convincingly but he's some sort of national hero in the eyes of a few. Anyone can promise the world if they know they won't have to actually deliver.
 
11101 said:
Yeah, it's amazing isn't it. He lost the election convincingly but he's some sort of national hero in the eyes of a few. Anyone can promise the world if they know they won't have to actually deliver.
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Convincingly? He was dead in the water a few weeks a go and turned it round, robbing the Tories of their majority, picking up dozens of seats, galvanised the youth vote to unprecedented levels and helped Labour achieve their highest vote share in decades. As for not having to deliver - he was a few marginal seats away from potentially becoming PM, and could feasibly become future PM assuming the Tories carry on their path to self-destruction.
 
Badunk said:
Everyone loves a winner.

Or a plucky loser.
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Most of those cnuts were busy stabbing him in the back not long ago. Funny how winning works. Haven't seen Sadiq kiss his shoes yet but its only a matter of time too.
 
I'm just a silly traditionalist I'm afraid, I look at the voting percentage and number of MPs.

I suspect whoever won and had to deal with Brexit would be wishing they hadn't to be honest. Apart from David Davis maybe, who does seem insanely happy. He might actually be insane, it would explain a lot.
 
712 said:
I'm just a silly traditionalist I'm afraid, I look at the voting percentage and number of MPs.

I suspect whoever won and had to deal with Brexit would be wishing they hadn't to be honest. Apart from David Davis maybe, who does seem insanely happy. He might actually be insane, it would explain a lot.
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Yup, even if we got a miraculous deal on Brexit the majority of the country will be unhappy with it.
 
712 said:
I'm just a silly traditionalist I'm afraid, I look at the voting percentage and number of MPs.

I suspect whoever won and had to deal with Brexit would be wishing they hadn't to be honest. Apart from David Davis maybe, who does seem insanely happy. He might actually be insane, it would explain a lot.
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And this is why we feel rather chuffed.

She's on a hiding to nothing, made worse by her own doing, and the likelihood is her party cannot avoid another election soon. That if Labour win we get to use the Tory card of 'we inherited a mess' for quite a while.
 
Being out of the EU means a deregulation bonanza, which is music to Tory ears. They want small government and for the City to become even more of an offshore goliath so that it doesn't matter if Britain no longer manufactures or exports to any great degree, it'll still be a player on the world stage.

Imperialism didn't stop, it just changed lanes.
 
*sobs* WTF is this shit?!?

Jeremy Corbyn colouring book to be released

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The Independent said:
Addition colouring pages to the A5 book include a ‘Make Jam not War’ poster, a ‘Where’s Theresa?’ spread, and a ‘pimp your voting slip’ page. They will appear alongside favourites 'Obi-Wan Kenobyn', 'Jez parting the Red Sea' and the 'Sistine Corbyn’.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ok-now-with-even-less-austerity-a7791796.html
 
Lord Sainsbury has said he'll stop donating to Progress and focus on charitable causes. What a shame
 
Smores said:
Lord Sainsbury has said he'll stop donating to Progress and focus on charitable causes. What a shame
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Maybe Michael Foster will fill the funding gap. Though after he got less votes in his attempt to oust Corbyn than a Fish Finger got trying to beat Tim Farron (208 to 309), I'm not sure he'll want to show his face for a while.
 
It's happening, isn't it?

God knows how it's gonna work but given the current situation clearly isn't working and the national mood has dramatically shifted, it's gonna have to.
 
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