Davies is average. He's a good squad player in that he'll replace Rose and be able to fill in the position, but he's a level or two below Rose. I don't rate Davies in the attacking third at all, he looks utterly clueless when he runs past the half way line.
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Davies is average. He's a good squad player in that he'll replace Rose and be able to fill in the position, but he's a level or two below Rose. I don't rate Davies in the attacking third at all, he looks utterly clueless when he runs past the half way line.
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I can't understand Pochettino using Trippier in preference to Walker (unless it was because he knew he would be off and wanted to give Trippier minutes). Regardless of how good his crossing is the primary function of a FB is to defend, and Trippier isn't even close to Walker in that regard. Of course there's Walker's pace too a valuable asset in both defence and attack, coach crossing into him, don't replace a speedster with someone who looks like they're stuck in treacle. Though for the rest of us it's a move I'm happy with
Lol we don't play with full backs that's why he used Tripper. Walker is a great athelete he is far from a great footballer. I like s Walker but I know many fans who thought he was a liability and a bit clueless who up until this season wouldn't of wanted him sold.
Have to say I was dubious about the Nike deal, but the kits are beautiful. Uncluttered and infussed. Yes their generic but what mattered is the badge on the chest.
Are Spurs linked to anyone these days? Seems like it's all about Utd, Chelsea, City or Arsenal.
Thomas Lemar and Ryan Sessegnon. There always a went story about Chicharito that's about it. I don't expect much until/if we get rid of some of the fringe players to be honest.
Sessegon has said he wants to stay at Fulham no? You've been linked to Joshua King at Bournemouth.
Would be a gamble on King one season at a smaller club could he make the transition, depending on the price. Sessegon has said he wants to stay yeah but it's a long summer. There is nothing concrete at all really is we can ship our Sissoko and if we got a good bid for Janson I'd love us to try for Lemar would give us some real speed as we really rely a lot on Son.
Problem you have is attracting players while paying them a relatively low wage. This is why signing Lemar is imo a fantasy on your part as you'd have to match wage packets being offered by other clubs and doing that will result in your wage structure being binned.
Pochettino's team reminds me of Benitez Liverpool or Raineri's Leicester. An over achieving squad with at least eight or nine players in their peak and then two "superstars" who perform out of their skin.
IMO Spurs has an excellent mix of players in their squad. Creativity, strengths, pace and most important two match winners. On top of that a formation and a system that suits them perfectly. The question to ask if all of their star players can continue to perform at highest level another season.
I think the key for them will be to have a good start. It looks like this is a confident team, nothing negative with this but who's their warrior when things go south?
It's difficult to predict but can they finish top three then I think they have over achieved again.
IMO Spurs has an excellent mix of players in their squad. Creativity, strengths, pace and most important two match winners. On top of that a formation and a system that suits them perfectly. The question to ask if all of their star players can continue to perform at highest level another season.
I think the key for them will be to have a good start. It looks like this is a confident team, nothing negative with this but who's their warrior when things go south?
It's difficult to predict but can they finish top three then I think they have over achieved again.
It's not quite as simple as that though? We can attract players like Lloris, Alderweld and Son. Lemar is still a young player with just his first break through season. The top teams can only take so many players. No doom merchant but I honestly think we coming into a time in football where we are going to see some teams go to the wall ( I'm not talking the big team, but they will suffer too). If we can't get Lemar due to wages I'm not concerned, we will simply move into a different target.
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Issue is that Wages in the last season or two have got insane as have the transfer fees. Spurs currently can't compete with this rising trend and if a player like Lemar is offered 100k a week at Arsenal or 60k a week at Spurs, who would he realistically join? Unfortunately there are very few players who move for footballing reasons, it's all about the money.
I think Spurs will continue to take punts on players from Tier 3 who could develop into a top grade footballer. You don't have to pay insane wages for players of that caliber.
I've seen links to Adrien Silva and Ginter, both of which seem entirely plausible but won't do anything to improve the starting XI.
I totally agree the likely hood is he joins Arsenal, wages are of course a big factor. Are growth as a club over the last 10 years has been massive thou an we have continually increased our wage pot. The new stadium will allow us to grow this even more, of course it won't be over night but it will increase, and the amount we can pay out in wages will increase in line.
The wages in the football now has made it totally unsustainable in the long term, the bubble will burst at some point. Unless your at the likes of City, Man Utd or Chelsea but at some point they will be effected in the bigger position what will happen are the smaller teams will will be put on the brink and the whole league will suffer.
I don't think we necessarily have to improve our starting 11 what we need is better cover in our squad. Last season we had lengthy injuries to a few key players and also lost Winks and Lamela. I don't really want our first team to change much I just want 2 quality players for each position.
Is Dier a starter? If so Adrien Silva is better than Dier in the midfield. The midfield battle he had against Modric in the Euros, is the type of stuff Dier can only dream of. The only thing he loses to him is the ability to play multiple positions. Both come from our academy and i have no doubts who i would pick. But don't worry it won't happen.
I think you could do with another signing up front, just to freshen things up. Did you think Sissoko and Janssen would be good cover last season, this is the problem with paying £15-30m on players who you just expect to be on the bench most of the time. I'm not saying the two I've mentioned would be as ineffective as Sissoko and Janssen, but I just think it's a bit pointless using a transfer window just for cover and not bringing in at least one player who provides real competition for places.
Sorry when I mean cover I meant someone who will push on, a young prospect not just a stand in. I have no idea why we bought Sissoko, his age, his fee, his footballing ability nothing fitted so I'm as confused as you. I'd give Janssen another season for sure and we also have Son who has improved massively since his first season.
I agree with most of your post, but overachieving might be a bit harsh - compared to other sides in the league I don't think they're that much weaker. You'd struggle to find many defences who are stronger than theirs, Lloris is one of the best goalkeepers in the league, and Kane is one of the best consistent goalscorers in the PL as well. It's probably a fair point that they're a stronger unit as a whole with no real weaknesses as opposed to a team with a mixture of top class players and weaker ones, but for me they should really be aiming for a title push this season.
There is not bubble when it comes to wage & transfer fee. Everyone in a while the wage & transfer fee spiked, & we heard this same old " transfer market just went crazy". Then it became a norm for few years before a new spike. There is no "correction", "reset" for football wage & transfer fee at all.
If anything football popularity grow, & revenue increases. The issue is the bigger teams would with their prestige to take more percentage from this revenue cake. They have already several steps in front. If the smaller clubs can't keep up with their traditional model, then there are foreigners who are more than happy to take over. Those clubs' fate are depended on the new owners' ambition. If anything football has lot of untapped potential for the investors if you compare how much revenue American football can generate in an in-house league scale.
Tottenham's problem now is whether they can wait till the stadium project laying eggs. Even low tier players are expensive nowadays & competition for these low tier players ain't that soft neither.
Ginter is overrated.
That's open to debate. All it takes is one of the financial props to fail - TV rights cash from one or two markets - and the whole edifice could start to crumble. Many people always say the bubble won't burst ... until it does.
I'd also say that - because of the same bubble - there is no real value in the current transfer market, generally speaking, given the crazy prices. So even if it's a necessity (because of the new stadium costs) for Spurs to mostly stay out of the buying market, it's a blessing in disguise IMO for us to rely on youth development and see if the prices spike falls away. If it does, then we'll be sitting pretty ... i.e. not saddled with lots of unsellable players due to the wages they are on or the need to sell players at a huge loss due to the crazy prices paid for them in the first place.
He's a starter in our back 3. Whether he'd be starter in CM if we revert to a back 4 remains to be seen.
Sport is very different than other businesses. It can lure in lifetime "subscriber" as well as momentum glory hunter. Business need to improve their product. Sport is dynamic in itself. Players' style may be alike but they are not the same, tactic may just build on older tactic & nothing really improve; but the play is different.
It may be in entertainment industry but it's a multiplayer game, so there is no script. There may be trend but the unexpected happen. Like it or not the lifetime subscriber stay while new hype & trend draw in new followers. And as I stated in previous my previous post, football marketing side is underdeveloped compare to how American in house sport being marketing. The room for growth is huge.
Value if you narrow it down to player quality then there shouldn't be much price high in football history at all. I meant the average class product should never price should never overcome the previous premium class even with time. A limited edition car with time still hold great value while the regular car would end up in grave. How average players in later generation keep getting more experience than previous generations' world record. As explained above, people love changes. Even the average players are not as good as previous great, they're different & draw momentum hype to keep the subscriber & draw in new followers. The point is the average will get more appreciation (in value) with time, as sport business grow. Buying a house/ renting a place you would look at your income/ job. Sometimes the bubble grows that it's not affordable compare to the wage thus result in correction. Does sport, in this case work the same? If you can't afford to live in Manchester, and travel with the team, you pay for TV deal to watch games. Read newspaper (quite some bullshitter make good living out of it) The team need to keep the pulling power, they need to stay competitive, so the team need to change. Clubs just don't move their bases/business to appease the more crowded population. The fans being pulled toward the club instead? Staying out of it & wait for a correction & while not seeing it as different beast is in itself is a flaw, whoever subscribe to that line of thought.
Let me ask you few questions: What if football transfer market bubble burst? Will Ronaldo, Messi suddenly become available? What is their correct value? Will players in their same mold suddenly appear more?
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As said above, if the bubble bursts then some clubs will be saddled with lots of unsellable players due to the wages they are on and need to sell players at a huge loss due to the crazy prices paid for them in the first place.
The likes of Ronaldo and Messi would become less available - and less valuable - because they're on huge wages which no other club would pay if the income bubble bursts, and they'd just sit on their fat contracts with no desire to leave. And even if new players in the same mould appear, then the fees bid for them would be far lower than now - and the wages offered far lower too - because they'd be less money flowing into clubs.
What has been transfer price inflation in the Prem over the last 5 years (say)? Whatever the figure, it's huge ... and in my view such growth is quite likely to be unsustainable year-on-year for much longer.
And underneath it all, and strangely, Spurs have in some ways benefited from such inflation - it's mainly why the valuation of the club has rocketed up in the last few years: we've spent little on players, but the potential sale value of our squad is massive in comparison to outlay.
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There I see your view which I agree to disagree.
They don't need to sell. There are clubs who just buy & focus to generate in different area. Look at Real Madrid. Their first Galaticos project & many big signings were underwhelming result wise. These signings often ended up as negative. Does it matter in long run? I don't think so. It creates the hype & generate money regardless result and later generation wants to join them despite it may harm their career. 2 birds 1 stone with the chance to even hit another bird if the circumstances is right to also get result. You can only hear Real Madrid keeps growing despite some mistake like paying Cassilas to leave, terminate their coaches' contracts... Selling buying players ain't the main revenue/ cash flow for clubs on the higher up. They're running on principle of "there's no bad press". Like it or not, people still get pulled to see the next step/ next player these clubs acquire. An easy example, a link to big club & new youtube videos pop up with countless views, debates...
Messi & Ronaldo level of players make take few years to resurface & there is a possibility there is a pair to create this much of rivalry which a great hype machine for business. The demand for this kind player is greater. People would still want to pay to see this player. For Messi & Ronaldo, their football ability may fade for top level, but there are clubs who would be happy to pay their high demand wage to get associated with them; that in turn mean their current club try to get the best out of them in both football related & commercial related value as much as they can at the moment. They're pretty much not for sale & they're not looking at resale value like the stepping stone selling club look at their players.
It's only unsustainable for clubs that spend what they don't have and those who refuse to spend when it's time & ended up with more work in latter stage to play catch up. If you spend within your ability & ended up gaining profit from that, there is no problem regardless. You can see that in any businesses. The rich just got richer. As I explained, sport business is dynamic & is their own beast.
Lol if the PL was full of play boy owners, who changes teams colours and names on a whim the bubble will burst. If the worlds finincial sector has a bubble of course football does, football clubs can't print money. For every millionaire owner there is a Tan or a Lerner or a chicken company. Lerner is a prime example, incredibly rish man who lost his wealth VERY quickly.
Right now Tottenham don't have a problem I'm not saying what I'm saying as a Spurs fan I'm saying it as a football fan. I've never thought before the last 2 seasons that football could be in trouble but I'm really starting to think it now, we have escalated transfer fees to £100M in such an short period of time and what's more worrying is some fans don't seem to realise just how much money that is, when wages aren't even factored in.
It's just my opinion on the sport as a whole, and I'm only 35 so I'm not harping back to the good old days.
Voted no, but unlike last year this time it's more out of hope than because I genuinely believe they will.
You missed the point. Owner I mentioned is not one sole own, but can be a corporation, an investment group. They use the clubs as part of a plan to promote their mother company.
Yes there is bad owners, but football teams ain't depended on each other. A club goes bankruptcy doesn't affect the other clubs. I meant there is financial regulation that clubs have to meet to be able to participate in the competition.
You talk about 100mil but you have to look at yearly revenue of the clubs that able to get these signings. Those clubs boast several time the transfer fee. The 100mil is not like a one year deal. Top clubs' revenue keep increasing. Let's say 100mil over 4 year = 25 mil per year. Let say that 1/10 of certain club's revenue in the first year. The next year, the revenue would increase then that signing is 1/15 & so on the next 2 years. In the whole scheme of thing, it's not becoming easy with time. The key is to keep the revenue coming, that's to have competent financial worker to take care of commercial side of the club. There are clubs that are better than others.
We have the one of the youngest squads in the Premiership (possibly the youngest) - the only players you could say at in their peak (due to age) are Lloris, Dembele and our two centre backs. It's actually one of the main reasons we are progressing each year is because our players are maturing together.
Lloris - 30 (Will be 31 in Dec)
Walker - 27
Rose - 27
Alderweireld - 28
Vertonghen - 30
Dier - 23
Wanyama - 26
Dembele - 30 (will be 30 in 2 weeks)
Eriksen - 25
Alli - 21
Kane 23 (will be 24 this month)
There is a good balance in the team, few young players and few experienced ones. Not sure about the youngest as all the other teams are signing young players (maybe youngest squad but don't think you have youngest first 11).
Taht's a very good balance because all of those players are either in their prime or coming into their prime, bar two .. who were Top Goalscorer in the PL and PL YPOTS last year !
All of your players except Alli are in their peak years. Both Kane and Dier have at least three full seasons under their belt so I think its fair to say they are well developed. What you see is what you get. You have a good mix of age and quality but I stand by my comment. Many of your players are over achieving. Nothing wrong with that. Just praise to your manager who knows how to get the best out of each player.
Never quite grasped the concept of this whole overacheiving business. Studies have proven that your average human being uses only 10% of its body's resources at any one time. With that knowledge safely stored inside your brain, would it not be safe to assume that we are all underacheiving on a gargantuan scale?
Get your point though, even though I disagree in every way. If a player is seen to be overacheiving, in your eyes, then your initial assessment of the players potential was incorrect to begin with. Thats my opinion on it anyway.
It's not over achieving it's good coaching. Fergie made title winners of players like Butt, Fletcher, O'Shea, Phil Neville the list goes on.
Maybe I used the wrong word. Good coaching is probably more relevant but anyway I think a lot of your players are performing at the top of their ability, and my experience is that top form (if you get what I mean) is temporary.
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Alli and Kane are high quality players who produces with or without a perfect environment. Similar to Zlatan, Pogba, DDG and probably Bailly.
Eriksen and Alderweireld are also very good quality but probably a level below which means they need quality around them to perform at the top of their ability. Similar to Mhiki and Herrera.
Dier, Walker, Rose and Vertonghen are third tier quality. They need to be in top form and surrounded by quality to produce top form performances day in and day out. Just like Lingard, Smalling, Jones and Blind.
From my perspective Spurs first eleven has hit top form for almost two seasons. On top of that Kane and Alli has gone from talents to the real deal. That's why you have challenged for the title the last two seasons. But, IMO, if one or two players drop their form you have serious problems to keep up the challange. Compare that to City. They have more top quality players and defenetly more second tier quality in their squad.
If the majority of United squad hits top form, together with two three sew quality signings, then we also will challange for the title. But that's another discussion.
I hope you continue to play well but don't be confused if you will struggle this season. You margin for losing your magic form is thin. That's my view of your team.
Eriksen is the most important player in our team so il have to disagree with you there I'm afraid, he is constsntly overlooked by other fans yet his statistics speak for themselves.
I don't really think it's to do with form it's to do with coaching and Poch finding a system that gets the most out of the players, which he seems to have done I mean, firm tends to not last an entire season nevermind two. When Kane was out our team continued to score goals and pick up points. You have left out other players for some reason also, Hugo, Son, Dembelle and Wanyama. This really isnt anything to do with form, for the first time in all my years as a Spurs fan we look like a team who know what we our doing, it's a team effort rather than relying on an individual to carry the weak. We're incredibly solid in defence and scoring goals for fun. What we lack is a little bit of depth here and there.
Our next step is to win something and I really hope we can do that this season to kick on, the longer it goes on the heavier the burden will be.
@InLevyITrust - I thought Spurs were the most exciting team last season. Putting rivalry to one side I hope this season you get a trophy to deter the big players from leaving.
There was a lot of debate about Eriksen last season on the Chelsea forum saying if we shut him down the runs of Alli won't damage us. We were only partially successful.
There was a lot of debate about Eriksen last season on the Chelsea forum saying if we shut him down the runs of Alli won't damage us. We were only partially successful.
Thanks! Was that before the semi final? Up until this season I seen Eriksen as a bit soft, more mentally than his stature. Last season he put his foot in more, he rode more challenges and really controlled games. I've said before I'd put both Kane and Alli behind Eriksen in order of importance in our team, it's just my opinion and I'm sure many will disagree. He's only 25 and will improve.
There is no doubt that Eriksen is a very good player but he isn't your MVP, far from it. When your team is in full flow then quite often he is your standout creative player delivering key passes from all over the pitch. But that's only half of the story. Without Dembélé and Wanyama doing the dirty work, Alli creating spaces and Kane converting a majority of his chances into goal scoring opportunities then Eriksen would go unnoticed a lot bit more. Not saying he's only relying on others to be successful but look at the bigger picture. I haven't so far seen him dictating games in a style like Scholes or Gerrard. He's not as productive as Lampard or intelligent as Fabregas (the Arsenal version)
If he was close to above colossus then your club would probably had at least one title from the last two seasons.
If I compare him to top of the line like Modric then he's still a far far away, but maybe that's not fair. Luca is probabaly the best creative midfielder we have at the moment.
Next season I expect most of the teams to man mark him a little bit more. Maybe the bottom half will try to kick him out of the game, successful or not is up to the referee. Let's see how he react to this challange.
Chicharito would be a cracking option for Spurs from the bench.
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